2001 Wrangler Lifter Noise
03-05-2006, 04:38 AM
#41
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Re: 2001 Wrangler Lifter Noise
Let us know what you do and what fixes your problem.
Carl
"Dennis" <dennis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Easy enough to do.
> Thanks for the information.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:WY-dnSerkfhL6pfZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> replace fram with a wix or motorcraft, your noise will be gone.
>>
>> "Dennis" <dennis@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:r9KdnYdFndqArJfZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> Thanks to all who wrote.
>>> I will check the exhaust which is something that would have never
>>> entered my mind, and I do use Fram filters so I'll
>>> check that out also.
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>> news:440A2B9B.1539C06B@***.net...
>>>> Hi Earle,
>>>> LOL Don't be saying anything bad about my Frams. ;-) Usually we
>>>> hear the distinctive sound of main bearings when the oil drains back to
>>>> the pan.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Another possibility is a cheap Fram(R) filter without an anti-drain
>>>>> valve in
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:440A2598.8E6A334C@***.net...
>>>>> > Hi Dennis,
>>>>> > If it's a lifter give it an oil change, that usually brings an
>>>>> > abused lifer back to life.
>>>>> > BUT, I believe you have the typical cracked header on it's way
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > look like: http://----------.com/brokenheader.jpg Replacement:
>>>>> > http://www.1aauto.com/1A/ExhaustManifolds/Jeep/Wrangler
>>>>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dennis wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler with the 4.0 engine. It has 56,000
>>>>> > > miles.
>>>>> > > When starting the engine there is a loud rapid ticking noise that
>>>>> > > last
>>>>> until
>>>>> > > the engine warms.
>>>>> > > It only does this when starting a cold engine but not every time,
>>>>> > > maybe
>>>>> 3
>>>>> > > or 4 times a week.
>>>>> > > It first started doing this a little after 30,000 miles and then
>>>>> > > it
>>>>> stopped
>>>>> > > and now it's doing it again but more frequent.
>>>>> > > If I end up replacing the valve lifters does anyone know of a good
>>>>> > > place
>>>>> to
>>>>> > > buy the hydraulic lifter removal tool? Is this tool really needed
>>>>> > > or
>>>>> could
>>>>> > > I get by without it? Also will I have to remove the A/C
>>>>> > > compressor? The
>>>>> book
>>>>> > > wasn't real clear on this part of it. It didn't say anything about
>>>>> removing
>>>>> > > the A/C during the head removal procedure but did say to recharge
>>>>> > > after
>>>>> > > assembly. I like to know what I'm getting into before I start. I
>>>>> appreciate
>>>>> > > any help.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Thanks,
>>>>> > > Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Carl
"Dennis" <dennis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:FMWdnchxJ7ZkFpfZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Easy enough to do.
> Thanks for the information.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:WY-dnSerkfhL6pfZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> replace fram with a wix or motorcraft, your noise will be gone.
>>
>> "Dennis" <dennis@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:r9KdnYdFndqArJfZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> Thanks to all who wrote.
>>> I will check the exhaust which is something that would have never
>>> entered my mind, and I do use Fram filters so I'll
>>> check that out also.
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>> news:440A2B9B.1539C06B@***.net...
>>>> Hi Earle,
>>>> LOL Don't be saying anything bad about my Frams. ;-) Usually we
>>>> hear the distinctive sound of main bearings when the oil drains back to
>>>> the pan.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Another possibility is a cheap Fram(R) filter without an anti-drain
>>>>> valve in
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:440A2598.8E6A334C@***.net...
>>>>> > Hi Dennis,
>>>>> > If it's a lifter give it an oil change, that usually brings an
>>>>> > abused lifer back to life.
>>>>> > BUT, I believe you have the typical cracked header on it's way
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > look like: http://----------.com/brokenheader.jpg Replacement:
>>>>> > http://www.1aauto.com/1A/ExhaustManifolds/Jeep/Wrangler
>>>>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dennis wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler with the 4.0 engine. It has 56,000
>>>>> > > miles.
>>>>> > > When starting the engine there is a loud rapid ticking noise that
>>>>> > > last
>>>>> until
>>>>> > > the engine warms.
>>>>> > > It only does this when starting a cold engine but not every time,
>>>>> > > maybe
>>>>> 3
>>>>> > > or 4 times a week.
>>>>> > > It first started doing this a little after 30,000 miles and then
>>>>> > > it
>>>>> stopped
>>>>> > > and now it's doing it again but more frequent.
>>>>> > > If I end up replacing the valve lifters does anyone know of a good
>>>>> > > place
>>>>> to
>>>>> > > buy the hydraulic lifter removal tool? Is this tool really needed
>>>>> > > or
>>>>> could
>>>>> > > I get by without it? Also will I have to remove the A/C
>>>>> > > compressor? The
>>>>> book
>>>>> > > wasn't real clear on this part of it. It didn't say anything about
>>>>> removing
>>>>> > > the A/C during the head removal procedure but did say to recharge
>>>>> > > after
>>>>> > > assembly. I like to know what I'm getting into before I start. I
>>>>> appreciate
>>>>> > > any help.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Thanks,
>>>>> > > Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
03-05-2006, 07:21 PM
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Re: 2001 Wrangler Lifter Noise
Dennis wrote:
> I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler with the 4.0 engine. It has 56,000 miles.
> When starting the engine there is a loud rapid ticking noise that last until
If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
replacing.
One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
(helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
that just to do the lifters.
Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
digging in.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler with the 4.0 engine. It has 56,000 miles.
> When starting the engine there is a loud rapid ticking noise that last until
If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
replacing.
One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
(helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
that just to do the lifters.
Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
digging in.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
03-05-2006, 07:21 PM
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Re: 2001 Wrangler Lifter Noise
Dennis wrote:
> I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler with the 4.0 engine. It has 56,000 miles.
> When starting the engine there is a loud rapid ticking noise that last until
If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
replacing.
One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
(helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
that just to do the lifters.
Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
digging in.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler with the 4.0 engine. It has 56,000 miles.
> When starting the engine there is a loud rapid ticking noise that last until
If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
replacing.
One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
(helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
that just to do the lifters.
Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
digging in.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
03-05-2006, 07:21 PM
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Re: 2001 Wrangler Lifter Noise
Dennis wrote:
> I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler with the 4.0 engine. It has 56,000 miles.
> When starting the engine there is a loud rapid ticking noise that last until
If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
replacing.
One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
(helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
that just to do the lifters.
Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
digging in.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler with the 4.0 engine. It has 56,000 miles.
> When starting the engine there is a loud rapid ticking noise that last until
If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
replacing.
One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
(helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
that just to do the lifters.
Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
digging in.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
03-05-2006, 07:21 PM
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Re: 2001 Wrangler Lifter Noise
Dennis wrote:
> I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler with the 4.0 engine. It has 56,000 miles.
> When starting the engine there is a loud rapid ticking noise that last until
If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
replacing.
One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
(helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
that just to do the lifters.
Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
digging in.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler with the 4.0 engine. It has 56,000 miles.
> When starting the engine there is a loud rapid ticking noise that last until
If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
replacing.
One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
(helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
that just to do the lifters.
Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
digging in.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
03-05-2006, 08:11 PM
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Re: 2001 Wrangler Lifter Noise
With the head off, of course:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...adconv/121.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
> replacing.
>
> One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
> magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
> months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
> to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
> installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
>
> I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
> (helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
> that just to do the lifters.
>
> Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
> digging in.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...adconv/121.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
> replacing.
>
> One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
> magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
> months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
> to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
> installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
>
> I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
> (helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
> that just to do the lifters.
>
> Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
> digging in.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
03-05-2006, 08:11 PM
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Re: 2001 Wrangler Lifter Noise
With the head off, of course:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...adconv/121.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
> replacing.
>
> One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
> magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
> months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
> to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
> installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
>
> I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
> (helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
> that just to do the lifters.
>
> Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
> digging in.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...adconv/121.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
> replacing.
>
> One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
> magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
> months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
> to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
> installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
>
> I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
> (helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
> that just to do the lifters.
>
> Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
> digging in.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
03-05-2006, 08:11 PM
#48
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Re: 2001 Wrangler Lifter Noise
With the head off, of course:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...adconv/121.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
> replacing.
>
> One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
> magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
> months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
> to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
> installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
>
> I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
> (helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
> that just to do the lifters.
>
> Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
> digging in.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...adconv/121.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
> replacing.
>
> One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
> magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
> months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
> to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
> installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
>
> I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
> (helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
> that just to do the lifters.
>
> Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
> digging in.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
03-05-2006, 08:11 PM
#49
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Re: 2001 Wrangler Lifter Noise
With the head off, of course:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...adconv/121.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
> replacing.
>
> One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
> magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
> months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
> to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
> installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
>
> I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
> (helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
> that just to do the lifters.
>
> Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
> digging in.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...adconv/121.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
> replacing.
>
> One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
> magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
> months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
> to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
> installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
>
> I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
> (helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
> that just to do the lifters.
>
> Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
> digging in.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
03-06-2006, 12:37 AM
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Re: 2001 Wrangler Lifter Noise
Are we talking about terrorists again.....
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:440B8C38.686FE730@***.net...
> With the head off, of course:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...adconv/121.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
>>
>> If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
>> replacing.
>>
>> One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
>> magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
>> months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
>> to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
>> installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
>>
>> I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
>> (helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
>> that just to do the lifters.
>>
>> Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
>> digging in.
>>
>> --
>> Simon
>> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:440B8C38.686FE730@***.net...
> With the head off, of course:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...adconv/121.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
>>
>> If it's actually the lifters, You can live with it until the cam needs
>> replacing.
>>
>> One of those telescoping magnetic retrieval tools (with the biggest
>> magnet I could find at autozone) easilly lifted my lifters, in a few
>> months when I go back in to replace my cam I will use 6 of the suckers
>> to suspend the lifters off the cam so I don't have to remove my freshly
>> installed 4.0 head (this is an 88 YJ with a 4.2 bottom end).
>>
>> I put Crane anti-pump up lifters in It's quiet as a new engine now,
>> (helped certainly by the new valve train). But I wouldn't go through all
>> that just to do the lifters.
>>
>> Definitely try some light mobil 1 for a few changes before you go
>> digging in.
>>
>> --
>> Simon
>> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein