I am so glad I'm getting information from everybody, thank you. I saw that
statement somewhere. Didn't think about too much but it had to do with
manual hubs. Maybe Warn's web site. Anyway, I understand what you mean.

I'll get it right..

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vqnkplbp2rs602@corp.supernews.com...
> Ironically, when flat towing, you might want to consider leaving that
front
> axle locked. The axle will turn the driveshaft, which in turn will turn
the
> tcase, which in turn will throw oil up onto the output shaft bearings of
the
> rear drive shaft and help to keep it lubircated. Flat towing a D300 tcase
is
> particularly affected by the lack of oil on the rear output shaft. You
don't
> have the D300 tcase, but the NP231 in your TJ has "locked" hubs all the
> time, and yo are getting ready to remove the locking stuff in favor of
> allowing you to unlock them. I am only suggesting that perhaps you want to
> think twice here ...
>
>
>
>
> "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:siDqb.134272$e01.451720@attbi_s02...
> > Hey Jerry, good explanation! Thanks.
> >
> > I get conflicting information from even the companies that sell limited
> slip
> > and lockers. I was trying to think of a good setup for front and back.
I
> > like manual hubs just for mileage, wear and flat towing like I do. I'm
> one
> > of those that drives on -road long distances in the Jeep and then want
it
> to
> > take on aggressive trails off- road. Maybe an ARB in the rear and
limited
> > slip in the front.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > news:fBCqb.20030$PD2.8063@fed1read05...
> > > Contrary to what a certain non-TJ owner has told you, you
absolutely...
> > > absolutely... cannot tell a locker or limited slip differential is in
> the
> > > front Dana 30 axle when you're in 2wd. Without manual hubs, I first
had
> a
> > > limited slip differential in my front Dana 30 and it was totally
> > transparent
> > > in 2wd, you could not tell it was there. Then, again without manual
> hubs,
> > I
> > > installed a Powertrax locker in my front Dana 30. Again, in 2wd, I
> could
> > > not detect its presence. Finally, I installed Warn manual hubs on the
> > front
> > > axle about six months ago and I run around with them unlocked. There
is
> no
> > > difference in how my front locker feels between when the front hubs
are
> > > locked vs. unlocked.
> > >
> > > The reason for this is because when you're in 2wd, there is no torque
> > being
> > > sent to the front locker and automatic lockers require torque to
firmly
> > lock
> > > them up. Yes automatic lockers are normally locked... but without
> torque
> > to
> > > hold them FIRMLY locked as would happen in 4wd, they unlock so easily
to
> > go
> > > around corners etc. when the TJ is in 2wd that they don't bind at all
> > like
> > > some people erroneously think they do. With manual hubs or without
> manual
> > > hubs.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > > "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> > > > Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the
> wild
> > > > fires. Terrible.
> > > >
> > > > Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again.
> What
> > > was
> > > > standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in
the
> > > rear.
> > > > Is it the Dana 30?
> > > >
> > > > Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm
thinking
> > this
> > > > will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> > > > handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

 

I am so glad I'm getting information from everybody, thank you. I saw that
statement somewhere. Didn't think about too much but it had to do with
manual hubs. Maybe Warn's web site. Anyway, I understand what you mean.

I'll get it right..

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vqnkplbp2rs602@corp.supernews.com...
> Ironically, when flat towing, you might want to consider leaving that
front
> axle locked. The axle will turn the driveshaft, which in turn will turn
the
> tcase, which in turn will throw oil up onto the output shaft bearings of
the
> rear drive shaft and help to keep it lubircated. Flat towing a D300 tcase
is
> particularly affected by the lack of oil on the rear output shaft. You
don't
> have the D300 tcase, but the NP231 in your TJ has "locked" hubs all the
> time, and yo are getting ready to remove the locking stuff in favor of
> allowing you to unlock them. I am only suggesting that perhaps you want to
> think twice here ...
>
>
>
>
> "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:siDqb.134272$e01.451720@attbi_s02...
> > Hey Jerry, good explanation! Thanks.
> >
> > I get conflicting information from even the companies that sell limited
> slip
> > and lockers. I was trying to think of a good setup for front and back.
I
> > like manual hubs just for mileage, wear and flat towing like I do. I'm
> one
> > of those that drives on -road long distances in the Jeep and then want
it
> to
> > take on aggressive trails off- road. Maybe an ARB in the rear and
limited
> > slip in the front.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > news:fBCqb.20030$PD2.8063@fed1read05...
> > > Contrary to what a certain non-TJ owner has told you, you
absolutely...
> > > absolutely... cannot tell a locker or limited slip differential is in
> the
> > > front Dana 30 axle when you're in 2wd. Without manual hubs, I first
had
> a
> > > limited slip differential in my front Dana 30 and it was totally
> > transparent
> > > in 2wd, you could not tell it was there. Then, again without manual
> hubs,
> > I
> > > installed a Powertrax locker in my front Dana 30. Again, in 2wd, I
> could
> > > not detect its presence. Finally, I installed Warn manual hubs on the
> > front
> > > axle about six months ago and I run around with them unlocked. There
is
> no
> > > difference in how my front locker feels between when the front hubs
are
> > > locked vs. unlocked.
> > >
> > > The reason for this is because when you're in 2wd, there is no torque
> > being
> > > sent to the front locker and automatic lockers require torque to
firmly
> > lock
> > > them up. Yes automatic lockers are normally locked... but without
> torque
> > to
> > > hold them FIRMLY locked as would happen in 4wd, they unlock so easily
to
> > go
> > > around corners etc. when the TJ is in 2wd that they don't bind at all
> > like
> > > some people erroneously think they do. With manual hubs or without
> manual
> > > hubs.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > > "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> > > > Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the
> wild
> > > > fires. Terrible.
> > > >
> > > > Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again.
> What
> > > was
> > > > standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in
the
> > > rear.
> > > > Is it the Dana 30?
> > > >
> > > > Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm
thinking
> > this
> > > > will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> > > > handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

 

I am so glad I'm getting information from everybody, thank you. I saw that
statement somewhere. Didn't think about too much but it had to do with
manual hubs. Maybe Warn's web site. Anyway, I understand what you mean.

I'll get it right..

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vqnkplbp2rs602@corp.supernews.com...
> Ironically, when flat towing, you might want to consider leaving that
front
> axle locked. The axle will turn the driveshaft, which in turn will turn
the
> tcase, which in turn will throw oil up onto the output shaft bearings of
the
> rear drive shaft and help to keep it lubircated. Flat towing a D300 tcase
is
> particularly affected by the lack of oil on the rear output shaft. You
don't
> have the D300 tcase, but the NP231 in your TJ has "locked" hubs all the
> time, and yo are getting ready to remove the locking stuff in favor of
> allowing you to unlock them. I am only suggesting that perhaps you want to
> think twice here ...
>
>
>
>
> "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:siDqb.134272$e01.451720@attbi_s02...
> > Hey Jerry, good explanation! Thanks.
> >
> > I get conflicting information from even the companies that sell limited
> slip
> > and lockers. I was trying to think of a good setup for front and back.
I
> > like manual hubs just for mileage, wear and flat towing like I do. I'm
> one
> > of those that drives on -road long distances in the Jeep and then want
it
> to
> > take on aggressive trails off- road. Maybe an ARB in the rear and
limited
> > slip in the front.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > news:fBCqb.20030$PD2.8063@fed1read05...
> > > Contrary to what a certain non-TJ owner has told you, you
absolutely...
> > > absolutely... cannot tell a locker or limited slip differential is in
> the
> > > front Dana 30 axle when you're in 2wd. Without manual hubs, I first
had
> a
> > > limited slip differential in my front Dana 30 and it was totally
> > transparent
> > > in 2wd, you could not tell it was there. Then, again without manual
> hubs,
> > I
> > > installed a Powertrax locker in my front Dana 30. Again, in 2wd, I
> could
> > > not detect its presence. Finally, I installed Warn manual hubs on the
> > front
> > > axle about six months ago and I run around with them unlocked. There
is
> no
> > > difference in how my front locker feels between when the front hubs
are
> > > locked vs. unlocked.
> > >
> > > The reason for this is because when you're in 2wd, there is no torque
> > being
> > > sent to the front locker and automatic lockers require torque to
firmly
> > lock
> > > them up. Yes automatic lockers are normally locked... but without
> torque
> > to
> > > hold them FIRMLY locked as would happen in 4wd, they unlock so easily
to
> > go
> > > around corners etc. when the TJ is in 2wd that they don't bind at all
> > like
> > > some people erroneously think they do. With manual hubs or without
> manual
> > > hubs.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > > "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> > > > Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the
> wild
> > > > fires. Terrible.
> > > >
> > > > Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again.
> What
> > > was
> > > > standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in
the
> > > rear.
> > > > Is it the Dana 30?
> > > >
> > > > Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm
thinking
> > this
> > > > will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> > > > handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

 

Hey Jim, thanks for the info. I remember you stating that in a post before.

Fun..

Andy
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Q_-dnawmhL_XfTaiRVn-gw@comcast.com...
> Andy,
> I have Detroit Truetrac LSDs in my TJ, front and rear, and they work
great.
> They help a lot with traction and I never notice them on the street
except,
> maybe, during a real tight turn on pavement the front tires tend to squeal
> just a little. I would not hesitate to recommend them for on and off road
> applications.
> http://www.tractech.com/Products.htm#slip
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> > Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> > fires. Terrible.
> >
> > Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
> was
> > standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
> rear.
> > Is it the Dana 30?
> >
> > Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking
this
> > will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> > handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
>
>

 

Hey Jim, thanks for the info. I remember you stating that in a post before.

Fun..

Andy
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Q_-dnawmhL_XfTaiRVn-gw@comcast.com...
> Andy,
> I have Detroit Truetrac LSDs in my TJ, front and rear, and they work
great.
> They help a lot with traction and I never notice them on the street
except,
> maybe, during a real tight turn on pavement the front tires tend to squeal
> just a little. I would not hesitate to recommend them for on and off road
> applications.
> http://www.tractech.com/Products.htm#slip
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> > Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> > fires. Terrible.
> >
> > Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
> was
> > standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
> rear.
> > Is it the Dana 30?
> >
> > Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking
this
> > will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> > handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
>
>

 

Hey Jim, thanks for the info. I remember you stating that in a post before.

Fun..

Andy
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Q_-dnawmhL_XfTaiRVn-gw@comcast.com...
> Andy,
> I have Detroit Truetrac LSDs in my TJ, front and rear, and they work
great.
> They help a lot with traction and I never notice them on the street
except,
> maybe, during a real tight turn on pavement the front tires tend to squeal
> just a little. I would not hesitate to recommend them for on and off road
> applications.
> http://www.tractech.com/Products.htm#slip
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> > Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> > fires. Terrible.
> >
> > Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
> was
> > standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
> rear.
> > Is it the Dana 30?
> >
> > Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking
this
> > will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> > handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
>
>

 

In article <vqnkplbp2rs602@corp.supernews.com>, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com>
writes:

>You don't
>have the D300 tcase, but the NP231 in your TJ has "locked" hubs all the
>time, and yo are getting ready to remove the locking stuff in favor of
>allowing you to unlock them. I am only suggesting that perhaps you want to
>think twice here ...

The oil pump in the 231is driven by the rear output shaft, so installing
locking hubs on the front axle wouldn't adversely affect the oiling capability
when flat towing....
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

In article <vqnkplbp2rs602@corp.supernews.com>, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com>
writes:

>You don't
>have the D300 tcase, but the NP231 in your TJ has "locked" hubs all the
>time, and yo are getting ready to remove the locking stuff in favor of
>allowing you to unlock them. I am only suggesting that perhaps you want to
>think twice here ...

The oil pump in the 231is driven by the rear output shaft, so installing
locking hubs on the front axle wouldn't adversely affect the oiling capability
when flat towing....
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

In article <vqnkplbp2rs602@corp.supernews.com>, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com>
writes:

>You don't
>have the D300 tcase, but the NP231 in your TJ has "locked" hubs all the
>time, and yo are getting ready to remove the locking stuff in favor of
>allowing you to unlock them. I am only suggesting that perhaps you want to
>think twice here ...

The oil pump in the 231is driven by the rear output shaft, so installing
locking hubs on the front axle wouldn't adversely affect the oiling capability
when flat towing....
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

So you are saying you live in a paradise? I'm not planning to get manual
hubs any time soon. I'm just toying with the idea of stuffing something
into the front to make it a little better off road. Thanks for your reply.

Andy

"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vqnkcm40bbjq7e@corp.supernews.com...
> I have a CJ with a front locker, and I have not unlocked my hubs in
several
> years. Basically, the CJ with the hubs locked is the same as the TJ all
the
> time. I have no steering issues at all, but at sea level within 20 miles
of
> the ocean in Southern California, I have no weather related issues anyway
> for about 300 days a year. And when I do have weather related issues, it
is
> either too damn hot to go outside, or it is raining. Of these two, the
rain
> is a more severe problem, and it is not problem at all for the locker.
>
>
>
>
> "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> > Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> > fires. Terrible.
> >
> > Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
> was
> > standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
> rear.
> > Is it the Dana 30?
> >
> > Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking
this
> > will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> > handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
>