Andy

Thanks Bill,

My buddy in Las Vegas just bought a 75 CJ5 with, get this, 34,000+ orig
miles. He found it forsale in Prince, UT. He's got it home now and it's a
winter project. Maybe I can get it from him.. LOL. And sell my TJ LOL.

Back to the drawing board. Lets see, tru track front & back.

Andy - OH, he paid under 3K for that CJ5. Pretty good shape to boot. I'm
not jealous.



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FAAD27E.F57D7112@***.net...
> Hi Andy,
> I use spools, and they are right next impossible to turn with
> traction. So, if the limited slip is any good at all, it will IMHO over
> power any power steering on the street. A locker will release one side
> so you'll be able to turn, but I imagine tricky, as they like to have
> their driver's do pirouettes. Warn make free wheel hubs for your TJ
> until you can get the Real thing:
> http://products.warn.com/warn.nsf/pa...xles.Main.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Andy wrote:
> >
> > Ahh.. Well thanks Dave. That helps!
> >
> > Andy

Andy

Thanks Bill,

My buddy in Las Vegas just bought a 75 CJ5 with, get this, 34,000+ orig
miles. He found it forsale in Prince, UT. He's got it home now and it's a
winter project. Maybe I can get it from him.. LOL. And sell my TJ LOL.

Back to the drawing board. Lets see, tru track front & back.

Andy - OH, he paid under 3K for that CJ5. Pretty good shape to boot. I'm
not jealous.



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FAAD27E.F57D7112@***.net...
> Hi Andy,
> I use spools, and they are right next impossible to turn with
> traction. So, if the limited slip is any good at all, it will IMHO over
> power any power steering on the street. A locker will release one side
> so you'll be able to turn, but I imagine tricky, as they like to have
> their driver's do pirouettes. Warn make free wheel hubs for your TJ
> until you can get the Real thing:
> http://products.warn.com/warn.nsf/pa...xles.Main.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Andy wrote:
> >
> > Ahh.. Well thanks Dave. That helps!
> >
> > Andy

Andy

Thanks Bill,

My buddy in Las Vegas just bought a 75 CJ5 with, get this, 34,000+ orig
miles. He found it forsale in Prince, UT. He's got it home now and it's a
winter project. Maybe I can get it from him.. LOL. And sell my TJ LOL.

Back to the drawing board. Lets see, tru track front & back.

Andy - OH, he paid under 3K for that CJ5. Pretty good shape to boot. I'm
not jealous.



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FAAD27E.F57D7112@***.net...
> Hi Andy,
> I use spools, and they are right next impossible to turn with
> traction. So, if the limited slip is any good at all, it will IMHO over
> power any power steering on the street. A locker will release one side
> so you'll be able to turn, but I imagine tricky, as they like to have
> their driver's do pirouettes. Warn make free wheel hubs for your TJ
> until you can get the Real thing:
> http://products.warn.com/warn.nsf/pa...xles.Main.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Andy wrote:
> >
> > Ahh.. Well thanks Dave. That helps!
> >
> > Andy

Jerry Bransford

Contrary to what a certain non-TJ owner has told you, you absolutely...
absolutely... cannot tell a locker or limited slip differential is in the
front Dana 30 axle when you're in 2wd. Without manual hubs, I first had a
limited slip differential in my front Dana 30 and it was totally transparent
in 2wd, you could not tell it was there. Then, again without manual hubs, I
installed a Powertrax locker in my front Dana 30. Again, in 2wd, I could
not detect its presence. Finally, I installed Warn manual hubs on the front
axle about six months ago and I run around with them unlocked. There is no
difference in how my front locker feels between when the front hubs are
locked vs. unlocked.

The reason for this is because when you're in 2wd, there is no torque being
sent to the front locker and automatic lockers require torque to firmly lock
them up. Yes automatic lockers are normally locked... but without torque to
hold them FIRMLY locked as would happen in 4wd, they unlock so easily to go
around corners etc. when the TJ is in 2wd that they don't bind at all like
some people erroneously think they do. With manual hubs or without manual
hubs.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> fires. Terrible.
>
> Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
was
> standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
rear.
> Is it the Dana 30?
>
> Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking this
> will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>

Jerry Bransford

Contrary to what a certain non-TJ owner has told you, you absolutely...
absolutely... cannot tell a locker or limited slip differential is in the
front Dana 30 axle when you're in 2wd. Without manual hubs, I first had a
limited slip differential in my front Dana 30 and it was totally transparent
in 2wd, you could not tell it was there. Then, again without manual hubs, I
installed a Powertrax locker in my front Dana 30. Again, in 2wd, I could
not detect its presence. Finally, I installed Warn manual hubs on the front
axle about six months ago and I run around with them unlocked. There is no
difference in how my front locker feels between when the front hubs are
locked vs. unlocked.

The reason for this is because when you're in 2wd, there is no torque being
sent to the front locker and automatic lockers require torque to firmly lock
them up. Yes automatic lockers are normally locked... but without torque to
hold them FIRMLY locked as would happen in 4wd, they unlock so easily to go
around corners etc. when the TJ is in 2wd that they don't bind at all like
some people erroneously think they do. With manual hubs or without manual
hubs.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> fires. Terrible.
>
> Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
was
> standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
rear.
> Is it the Dana 30?
>
> Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking this
> will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>

Jerry Bransford

Contrary to what a certain non-TJ owner has told you, you absolutely...
absolutely... cannot tell a locker or limited slip differential is in the
front Dana 30 axle when you're in 2wd. Without manual hubs, I first had a
limited slip differential in my front Dana 30 and it was totally transparent
in 2wd, you could not tell it was there. Then, again without manual hubs, I
installed a Powertrax locker in my front Dana 30. Again, in 2wd, I could
not detect its presence. Finally, I installed Warn manual hubs on the front
axle about six months ago and I run around with them unlocked. There is no
difference in how my front locker feels between when the front hubs are
locked vs. unlocked.

The reason for this is because when you're in 2wd, there is no torque being
sent to the front locker and automatic lockers require torque to firmly lock
them up. Yes automatic lockers are normally locked... but without torque to
hold them FIRMLY locked as would happen in 4wd, they unlock so easily to go
around corners etc. when the TJ is in 2wd that they don't bind at all like
some people erroneously think they do. With manual hubs or without manual
hubs.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> fires. Terrible.
>
> Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
was
> standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
rear.
> Is it the Dana 30?
>
> Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking this
> will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>

JimG

Hey Andy,
Thinking is good, but not this time :-) ARB is not the answer to
everything, especially for the front. Just take it out of four-wheel-drive!
Front locker... gone (any brand), transparent!

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries


"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> fires. Terrible.
>
> Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
was
> standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
rear.
> Is it the Dana 30?
>
> Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking this
> will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>

JimG

Hey Andy,
Thinking is good, but not this time :-) ARB is not the answer to
everything, especially for the front. Just take it out of four-wheel-drive!
Front locker... gone (any brand), transparent!

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries


"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> fires. Terrible.
>
> Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
was
> standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
rear.
> Is it the Dana 30?
>
> Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking this
> will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>

JimG

Hey Andy,
Thinking is good, but not this time :-) ARB is not the answer to
everything, especially for the front. Just take it out of four-wheel-drive!
Front locker... gone (any brand), transparent!

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries


"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> fires. Terrible.
>
> Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
was
> standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
rear.
> Is it the Dana 30?
>
> Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking this
> will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>

Andy

Hey Jerry, good explanation! Thanks.

I get conflicting information from even the companies that sell limited slip
and lockers. I was trying to think of a good setup for front and back. I
like manual hubs just for mileage, wear and flat towing like I do. I'm one
of those that drives on -road long distances in the Jeep and then want it to
take on aggressive trails off- road. Maybe an ARB in the rear and limited
slip in the front.

Thanks

Andy


"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:fBCqb.20030$PD2.8063@fed1read05...
> Contrary to what a certain non-TJ owner has told you, you absolutely...
> absolutely... cannot tell a locker or limited slip differential is in the
> front Dana 30 axle when you're in 2wd. Without manual hubs, I first had a
> limited slip differential in my front Dana 30 and it was totally
transparent
> in 2wd, you could not tell it was there. Then, again without manual hubs,
I
> installed a Powertrax locker in my front Dana 30. Again, in 2wd, I could
> not detect its presence. Finally, I installed Warn manual hubs on the
front
> axle about six months ago and I run around with them unlocked. There is no
> difference in how my front locker feels between when the front hubs are
> locked vs. unlocked.
>
> The reason for this is because when you're in 2wd, there is no torque
being
> sent to the front locker and automatic lockers require torque to firmly
lock
> them up. Yes automatic lockers are normally locked... but without torque
to
> hold them FIRMLY locked as would happen in 4wd, they unlock so easily to
go
> around corners etc. when the TJ is in 2wd that they don't bind at all
like
> some people erroneously think they do. With manual hubs or without manual
> hubs.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> > Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> > fires. Terrible.
> >
> > Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
> was
> > standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
> rear.
> > Is it the Dana 30?
> >
> > Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking
this
> > will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> > handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
>
>