Andy

Jerry, OK.. Thanks again. I appreciate it.

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:GqDqb.20343$PD2.15283@fed1read05...
> Andy, I must not have explained the front axle that well... there's no
> benefit to installing a front limited slip differential up front over an
> automatic locker unless you wheel on off-camber (sloping to the side) icy
or
> mud-covered trails. For most wheeling, a front-locker has significant
> benefits over a front limited slip differential. I've had both in my
front
> axle and only installed the front LSD for a few years by erroneously
> thinking a front-mounted locker would be a bad decision for my TJ. The
> front-locker I have up front now may as well not even be there until I
shift
> into 4wd.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:siDqb.134272$e01.451720@attbi_s02...
> > Hey Jerry, good explanation! Thanks.
> >
> > I get conflicting information from even the companies that sell limited
> slip
> > and lockers. I was trying to think of a good setup for front and back.
I
> > like manual hubs just for mileage, wear and flat towing like I do. I'm
> one
> > of those that drives on -road long distances in the Jeep and then want
it
> to
> > take on aggressive trails off- road. Maybe an ARB in the rear and
limited
> > slip in the front.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> > news:fBCqb.20030$PD2.8063@fed1read05...
> > > Contrary to what a certain non-TJ owner has told you, you
absolutely...
> > > absolutely... cannot tell a locker or limited slip differential is in
> the
> > > front Dana 30 axle when you're in 2wd. Without manual hubs, I first
had
> a
> > > limited slip differential in my front Dana 30 and it was totally
> > transparent
> > > in 2wd, you could not tell it was there. Then, again without manual
> hubs,
> > I
> > > installed a Powertrax locker in my front Dana 30. Again, in 2wd, I
> could
> > > not detect its presence. Finally, I installed Warn manual hubs on the
> > front
> > > axle about six months ago and I run around with them unlocked. There
is
> no
> > > difference in how my front locker feels between when the front hubs
are
> > > locked vs. unlocked.
> > >
> > > The reason for this is because when you're in 2wd, there is no torque
> > being
> > > sent to the front locker and automatic lockers require torque to
firmly
> > lock
> > > them up. Yes automatic lockers are normally locked... but without
> torque
> > to
> > > hold them FIRMLY locked as would happen in 4wd, they unlock so easily
to
> > go
> > > around corners etc. when the TJ is in 2wd that they don't bind at all
> > like
> > > some people erroneously think they do. With manual hubs or without
> manual
> > > hubs.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > > "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> > > > Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the
> wild
> > > > fires. Terrible.
> > > >
> > > > Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again.
> What
> > > was
> > > > standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in
the
> > > rear.
> > > > Is it the Dana 30?
> > > >
> > > > Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm
thinking
> > this
> > > > will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> > > > handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

CRWLR

I have a CJ with a front locker, and I have not unlocked my hubs in several
years. Basically, the CJ with the hubs locked is the same as the TJ all the
time. I have no steering issues at all, but at sea level within 20 miles of
the ocean in Southern California, I have no weather related issues anyway
for about 300 days a year. And when I do have weather related issues, it is
either too damn hot to go outside, or it is raining. Of these two, the rain
is a more severe problem, and it is not problem at all for the locker.




"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> fires. Terrible.
>
> Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
was
> standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
rear.
> Is it the Dana 30?
>
> Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking this
> will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>

CRWLR

I have a CJ with a front locker, and I have not unlocked my hubs in several
years. Basically, the CJ with the hubs locked is the same as the TJ all the
time. I have no steering issues at all, but at sea level within 20 miles of
the ocean in Southern California, I have no weather related issues anyway
for about 300 days a year. And when I do have weather related issues, it is
either too damn hot to go outside, or it is raining. Of these two, the rain
is a more severe problem, and it is not problem at all for the locker.




"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> fires. Terrible.
>
> Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
was
> standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
rear.
> Is it the Dana 30?
>
> Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking this
> will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>

CRWLR

I have a CJ with a front locker, and I have not unlocked my hubs in several
years. Basically, the CJ with the hubs locked is the same as the TJ all the
time. I have no steering issues at all, but at sea level within 20 miles of
the ocean in Southern California, I have no weather related issues anyway
for about 300 days a year. And when I do have weather related issues, it is
either too damn hot to go outside, or it is raining. Of these two, the rain
is a more severe problem, and it is not problem at all for the locker.




"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> fires. Terrible.
>
> Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
was
> standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
rear.
> Is it the Dana 30?
>
> Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking this
> will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>

CRWLR

Ironically, when flat towing, you might want to consider leaving that front
axle locked. The axle will turn the driveshaft, which in turn will turn the
tcase, which in turn will throw oil up onto the output shaft bearings of the
rear drive shaft and help to keep it lubircated. Flat towing a D300 tcase is
particularly affected by the lack of oil on the rear output shaft. You don't
have the D300 tcase, but the NP231 in your TJ has "locked" hubs all the
time, and yo are getting ready to remove the locking stuff in favor of
allowing you to unlock them. I am only suggesting that perhaps you want to
think twice here ...




"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:siDqb.134272$e01.451720@attbi_s02...
> Hey Jerry, good explanation! Thanks.
>
> I get conflicting information from even the companies that sell limited
slip
> and lockers. I was trying to think of a good setup for front and back. I
> like manual hubs just for mileage, wear and flat towing like I do. I'm
one
> of those that drives on -road long distances in the Jeep and then want it
to
> take on aggressive trails off- road. Maybe an ARB in the rear and limited
> slip in the front.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:fBCqb.20030$PD2.8063@fed1read05...
> > Contrary to what a certain non-TJ owner has told you, you absolutely...
> > absolutely... cannot tell a locker or limited slip differential is in
the
> > front Dana 30 axle when you're in 2wd. Without manual hubs, I first had
a
> > limited slip differential in my front Dana 30 and it was totally
> transparent
> > in 2wd, you could not tell it was there. Then, again without manual
hubs,
> I
> > installed a Powertrax locker in my front Dana 30. Again, in 2wd, I
could
> > not detect its presence. Finally, I installed Warn manual hubs on the
> front
> > axle about six months ago and I run around with them unlocked. There is
no
> > difference in how my front locker feels between when the front hubs are
> > locked vs. unlocked.
> >
> > The reason for this is because when you're in 2wd, there is no torque
> being
> > sent to the front locker and automatic lockers require torque to firmly
> lock
> > them up. Yes automatic lockers are normally locked... but without
torque
> to
> > hold them FIRMLY locked as would happen in 4wd, they unlock so easily to
> go
> > around corners etc. when the TJ is in 2wd that they don't bind at all
> like
> > some people erroneously think they do. With manual hubs or without
manual
> > hubs.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> > "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> > > Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the
wild
> > > fires. Terrible.
> > >
> > > Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again.
What
> > was
> > > standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
> > rear.
> > > Is it the Dana 30?
> > >
> > > Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking
> this
> > > will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> > > handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

CRWLR

Ironically, when flat towing, you might want to consider leaving that front
axle locked. The axle will turn the driveshaft, which in turn will turn the
tcase, which in turn will throw oil up onto the output shaft bearings of the
rear drive shaft and help to keep it lubircated. Flat towing a D300 tcase is
particularly affected by the lack of oil on the rear output shaft. You don't
have the D300 tcase, but the NP231 in your TJ has "locked" hubs all the
time, and yo are getting ready to remove the locking stuff in favor of
allowing you to unlock them. I am only suggesting that perhaps you want to
think twice here ...




"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:siDqb.134272$e01.451720@attbi_s02...
> Hey Jerry, good explanation! Thanks.
>
> I get conflicting information from even the companies that sell limited
slip
> and lockers. I was trying to think of a good setup for front and back. I
> like manual hubs just for mileage, wear and flat towing like I do. I'm
one
> of those that drives on -road long distances in the Jeep and then want it
to
> take on aggressive trails off- road. Maybe an ARB in the rear and limited
> slip in the front.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:fBCqb.20030$PD2.8063@fed1read05...
> > Contrary to what a certain non-TJ owner has told you, you absolutely...
> > absolutely... cannot tell a locker or limited slip differential is in
the
> > front Dana 30 axle when you're in 2wd. Without manual hubs, I first had
a
> > limited slip differential in my front Dana 30 and it was totally
> transparent
> > in 2wd, you could not tell it was there. Then, again without manual
hubs,
> I
> > installed a Powertrax locker in my front Dana 30. Again, in 2wd, I
could
> > not detect its presence. Finally, I installed Warn manual hubs on the
> front
> > axle about six months ago and I run around with them unlocked. There is
no
> > difference in how my front locker feels between when the front hubs are
> > locked vs. unlocked.
> >
> > The reason for this is because when you're in 2wd, there is no torque
> being
> > sent to the front locker and automatic lockers require torque to firmly
> lock
> > them up. Yes automatic lockers are normally locked... but without
torque
> to
> > hold them FIRMLY locked as would happen in 4wd, they unlock so easily to
> go
> > around corners etc. when the TJ is in 2wd that they don't bind at all
> like
> > some people erroneously think they do. With manual hubs or without
manual
> > hubs.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> > "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> > > Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the
wild
> > > fires. Terrible.
> > >
> > > Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again.
What
> > was
> > > standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
> > rear.
> > > Is it the Dana 30?
> > >
> > > Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking
> this
> > > will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> > > handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

CRWLR

Ironically, when flat towing, you might want to consider leaving that front
axle locked. The axle will turn the driveshaft, which in turn will turn the
tcase, which in turn will throw oil up onto the output shaft bearings of the
rear drive shaft and help to keep it lubircated. Flat towing a D300 tcase is
particularly affected by the lack of oil on the rear output shaft. You don't
have the D300 tcase, but the NP231 in your TJ has "locked" hubs all the
time, and yo are getting ready to remove the locking stuff in favor of
allowing you to unlock them. I am only suggesting that perhaps you want to
think twice here ...




"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:siDqb.134272$e01.451720@attbi_s02...
> Hey Jerry, good explanation! Thanks.
>
> I get conflicting information from even the companies that sell limited
slip
> and lockers. I was trying to think of a good setup for front and back. I
> like manual hubs just for mileage, wear and flat towing like I do. I'm
one
> of those that drives on -road long distances in the Jeep and then want it
to
> take on aggressive trails off- road. Maybe an ARB in the rear and limited
> slip in the front.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:fBCqb.20030$PD2.8063@fed1read05...
> > Contrary to what a certain non-TJ owner has told you, you absolutely...
> > absolutely... cannot tell a locker or limited slip differential is in
the
> > front Dana 30 axle when you're in 2wd. Without manual hubs, I first had
a
> > limited slip differential in my front Dana 30 and it was totally
> transparent
> > in 2wd, you could not tell it was there. Then, again without manual
hubs,
> I
> > installed a Powertrax locker in my front Dana 30. Again, in 2wd, I
could
> > not detect its presence. Finally, I installed Warn manual hubs on the
> front
> > axle about six months ago and I run around with them unlocked. There is
no
> > difference in how my front locker feels between when the front hubs are
> > locked vs. unlocked.
> >
> > The reason for this is because when you're in 2wd, there is no torque
> being
> > sent to the front locker and automatic lockers require torque to firmly
> lock
> > them up. Yes automatic lockers are normally locked... but without
torque
> to
> > hold them FIRMLY locked as would happen in 4wd, they unlock so easily to
> go
> > around corners etc. when the TJ is in 2wd that they don't bind at all
> like
> > some people erroneously think they do. With manual hubs or without
manual
> > hubs.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> > "Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> > > Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the
wild
> > > fires. Terrible.
> > >
> > > Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again.
What
> > was
> > > standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
> > rear.
> > > Is it the Dana 30?
> > >
> > > Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking
> this
> > > will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> > > handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

TJim

Andy,
I have Detroit Truetrac LSDs in my TJ, front and rear, and they work great.
They help a lot with traction and I never notice them on the street except,
maybe, during a real tight turn on pavement the front tires tend to squeal
just a little. I would not hesitate to recommend them for on and off road
applications.
http://www.tractech.com/Products.htm#slip

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"


"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> fires. Terrible.
>
> Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
was
> standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
rear.
> Is it the Dana 30?
>
> Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking this
> will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>

TJim

Andy,
I have Detroit Truetrac LSDs in my TJ, front and rear, and they work great.
They help a lot with traction and I never notice them on the street except,
maybe, during a real tight turn on pavement the front tires tend to squeal
just a little. I would not hesitate to recommend them for on and off road
applications.
http://www.tractech.com/Products.htm#slip

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"


"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> fires. Terrible.
>
> Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
was
> standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
rear.
> Is it the Dana 30?
>
> Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking this
> will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>

TJim

Andy,
I have Detroit Truetrac LSDs in my TJ, front and rear, and they work great.
They help a lot with traction and I never notice them on the street except,
maybe, during a real tight turn on pavement the front tires tend to squeal
just a little. I would not hesitate to recommend them for on and off road
applications.
http://www.tractech.com/Products.htm#slip

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"


"Andy" <trailrider2008@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZUyqb.131454$Fm2.108362@attbi_s04...
> Hi everyone. I was out West (OTR) delivering auto parts during the wild
> fires. Terrible.
>
> Home again for a few days and thinking about my TJ build up again. What
was
> standard for the Front differential in 2001. I have a Dana 44 in the
rear.
> Is it the Dana 30?
>
> Secondly, TJ's front differentials spin all the time. I'm thinking this
> will not work well with a limited slip or automatic locker (On road
> handling) , so ARB is about the only choice?
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
>
>