1994 YJ Sahara 5sp MAN MTF quantity?
08-06-2003, 08:30 AM
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1994 YJ Sahara 5sp MAN MTF quantity?
Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
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and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
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08-06-2003, 11:52 AM
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Re: 1994 YJ Sahara 5sp MAN MTF quantity?
There is a fill hole in the side of the trans, similar to the fill hole in
the axles. The proper amount of oil is to fill until it comes out the fill
hole, then stop. The axles should be filled the same way, regardless of the
quantity called for. The quantity called for is not really a called for
amount, it is an indicator of how big of a bottle to buy.
The engine oil is a "called for" amount because the fill hole is
considerably above the full level, but the fill hole on the trans, tcase,
and axles is at the max level of the fluids for each.
"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
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> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
>
>
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the axles. The proper amount of oil is to fill until it comes out the fill
hole, then stop. The axles should be filled the same way, regardless of the
quantity called for. The quantity called for is not really a called for
amount, it is an indicator of how big of a bottle to buy.
The engine oil is a "called for" amount because the fill hole is
considerably above the full level, but the fill hole on the trans, tcase,
and axles is at the max level of the fluids for each.
"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
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> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
>
>
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08-06-2003, 11:55 AM
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Re: 1994 YJ Sahara 5sp MAN MTF quantity?
You may want to try the Redline synthetic instead of the Mobil. I also have
a 94YJ and tried them both last year - the redline definately shifted much
smoother - I'd get some pretty ratty shifts if I took it up to 4k w/ the
mobil or dino and the Redline really smoothed it out at higher rpm shifts. I
normally shift around 2.5k-3k and it's still noticeably better even there or
lower, esp. after a long, hot run on the interstate. It's refreshing to
find a product that really does work noticeably better than other
alternatives.
"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
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> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
>
>
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a 94YJ and tried them both last year - the redline definately shifted much
smoother - I'd get some pretty ratty shifts if I took it up to 4k w/ the
mobil or dino and the Redline really smoothed it out at higher rpm shifts. I
normally shift around 2.5k-3k and it's still noticeably better even there or
lower, esp. after a long, hot run on the interstate. It's refreshing to
find a product that really does work noticeably better than other
alternatives.
"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
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> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
>
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08-06-2003, 12:14 PM
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Re: 1994 YJ Sahara 5sp MAN MTF quantity?
In article <Zx9Ya.1799875$ZC.267554@news.easynews.com>,
redrubi <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>You may want to try the Redline synthetic instead of the Mobil. I also have
>a 94YJ and tried them both last year - the redline definately shifted much
>smoother - I'd get some pretty ratty shifts if I took it up to 4k w/ the
>mobil or dino and the Redline really smoothed it out at higher rpm shifts. I
>normally shift around 2.5k-3k and it's still noticeably better even there or
>lower, esp. after a long, hot run on the interstate. It's refreshing to
>find a product that really does work noticeably better than other
>alternatives.
Are you aware that Redline is only GL4? I use Redline in my VW but I
really want to go with 75W90 GL5 and that is Mobil1. GL5=Better...
You might think you are shifting smoother. But...
Besides GL4 is not up to Mopar spec. I would prefer Redline if it also
was GL5 spec.
On a side note, you didn't mention if you changed any of your axle or
transfer case fluid. That will really make a difference in vibrations.
The answer it my query is 7 pints... Called a dealer.
It's in the service manual which I have ordered but have not yet received.
>
>
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>> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
>> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
>> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
>> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
>> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
>> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
>> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
>> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
>>
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redrubi <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>You may want to try the Redline synthetic instead of the Mobil. I also have
>a 94YJ and tried them both last year - the redline definately shifted much
>smoother - I'd get some pretty ratty shifts if I took it up to 4k w/ the
>mobil or dino and the Redline really smoothed it out at higher rpm shifts. I
>normally shift around 2.5k-3k and it's still noticeably better even there or
>lower, esp. after a long, hot run on the interstate. It's refreshing to
>find a product that really does work noticeably better than other
>alternatives.
Are you aware that Redline is only GL4? I use Redline in my VW but I
really want to go with 75W90 GL5 and that is Mobil1. GL5=Better...
You might think you are shifting smoother. But...
Besides GL4 is not up to Mopar spec. I would prefer Redline if it also
was GL5 spec.
On a side note, you didn't mention if you changed any of your axle or
transfer case fluid. That will really make a difference in vibrations.
The answer it my query is 7 pints... Called a dealer.
It's in the service manual which I have ordered but have not yet received.
>
>
>"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
>news:3f30f4cb$1_1@nntp2.nac.net...
>> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
>> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
>> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
>> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
>> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
>> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
>> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
>> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
>>
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08-06-2003, 03:28 PM
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Re: 1994 YJ Sahara 5sp MAN MTF quantity?
GL-5 is not necessarily better - a lot of people think that it will
chemically eat away at the syncros in transmissions not specifically
designed for it. Not sure if this is true or urban legend sort of stuff. If
in doubt, go with the Mopar stuff.
"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3f312974_1@nntp2.nac.net>, Peter Parker <nospam@zero.com>
wrote:
> >In article <Zx9Ya.1799875$ZC.267554@news.easynews.com>,
> >redrubi <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>You may want to try the Redline synthetic instead of the Mobil. I also
have
> >>a 94YJ and tried them both last year - the redline definately shifted
much
> >>smoother - I'd get some pretty ratty shifts if I took it up to 4k w/ the
> >>mobil or dino and the Redline really smoothed it out at higher rpm
shifts. I
> >>normally shift around 2.5k-3k and it's still noticeably better even
there or
> >>lower, esp. after a long, hot run on the interstate. It's refreshing to
> >>find a product that really does work noticeably better than other
> >>alternatives.
> >
> >Are you aware that Redline is only GL4? I use Redline in my VW but I
> >really want to go with 75W90 GL5 and that is Mobil1. GL5=Better...
> >You might think you are shifting smoother. But...
>
> Update to my quick comment. Redline MT-90 which is synthetic manual
> transmission oil is 75W-90 GL4 but Redline 75W-90 synthetic gear oil
> is GL5. I would say Redline gear oil might be the one. :-)
>
> Is this what you used?
>
> >
> >Besides GL4 is not up to Mopar spec. I would prefer Redline if it also
> >was GL5 spec.
> >
> >On a side note, you didn't mention if you changed any of your axle or
> >transfer case fluid. That will really make a difference in vibrations.
> >
> >The answer it my query is 7 pints... Called a dealer.
> >
> >It's in the service manual which I have ordered but have not yet
received.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
> >>news:3f30f4cb$1_1@nntp2.nac.net...
> >>> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
> >>> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
> >>> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
> >>> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
> >>> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
> >>> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
> >>> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
> >>> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
> >>>
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chemically eat away at the syncros in transmissions not specifically
designed for it. Not sure if this is true or urban legend sort of stuff. If
in doubt, go with the Mopar stuff.
"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
news:3f312ac1_2@nntp2.nac.net...
> In article <3f312974_1@nntp2.nac.net>, Peter Parker <nospam@zero.com>
wrote:
> >In article <Zx9Ya.1799875$ZC.267554@news.easynews.com>,
> >redrubi <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>You may want to try the Redline synthetic instead of the Mobil. I also
have
> >>a 94YJ and tried them both last year - the redline definately shifted
much
> >>smoother - I'd get some pretty ratty shifts if I took it up to 4k w/ the
> >>mobil or dino and the Redline really smoothed it out at higher rpm
shifts. I
> >>normally shift around 2.5k-3k and it's still noticeably better even
there or
> >>lower, esp. after a long, hot run on the interstate. It's refreshing to
> >>find a product that really does work noticeably better than other
> >>alternatives.
> >
> >Are you aware that Redline is only GL4? I use Redline in my VW but I
> >really want to go with 75W90 GL5 and that is Mobil1. GL5=Better...
> >You might think you are shifting smoother. But...
>
> Update to my quick comment. Redline MT-90 which is synthetic manual
> transmission oil is 75W-90 GL4 but Redline 75W-90 synthetic gear oil
> is GL5. I would say Redline gear oil might be the one. :-)
>
> Is this what you used?
>
> >
> >Besides GL4 is not up to Mopar spec. I would prefer Redline if it also
> >was GL5 spec.
> >
> >On a side note, you didn't mention if you changed any of your axle or
> >transfer case fluid. That will really make a difference in vibrations.
> >
> >The answer it my query is 7 pints... Called a dealer.
> >
> >It's in the service manual which I have ordered but have not yet
received.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
> >>news:3f30f4cb$1_1@nntp2.nac.net...
> >>> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
> >>> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
> >>> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
> >>> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
> >>> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
> >>> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
> >>> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
> >>> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
> >>>
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08-06-2003, 04:27 PM
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Re: 1994 YJ Sahara 5sp MAN MTF quantity?
I used a GL4/GL5 compatible gear oil in my T5 and it started shifting
really poorly. It was crunching bad in-between gears.
My owners manual calls for GL4, so I drained out the other stuff and put
GL4 in. It now shifts smooth.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
redrubi wrote:
>
> GL-5 is not necessarily better - a lot of people think that it will
> chemically eat away at the syncros in transmissions not specifically
> designed for it. Not sure if this is true or urban legend sort of stuff. If
> in doubt, go with the Mopar stuff.
>
> "Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
> news:3f312ac1_2@nntp2.nac.net...
> > In article <3f312974_1@nntp2.nac.net>, Peter Parker <nospam@zero.com>
> wrote:
> > >In article <Zx9Ya.1799875$ZC.267554@news.easynews.com>,
> > >redrubi <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>You may want to try the Redline synthetic instead of the Mobil. I also
> have
> > >>a 94YJ and tried them both last year - the redline definately shifted
> much
> > >>smoother - I'd get some pretty ratty shifts if I took it up to 4k w/ the
> > >>mobil or dino and the Redline really smoothed it out at higher rpm
> shifts. I
> > >>normally shift around 2.5k-3k and it's still noticeably better even
> there or
> > >>lower, esp. after a long, hot run on the interstate. It's refreshing to
> > >>find a product that really does work noticeably better than other
> > >>alternatives.
> > >
> > >Are you aware that Redline is only GL4? I use Redline in my VW but I
> > >really want to go with 75W90 GL5 and that is Mobil1. GL5=Better...
> > >You might think you are shifting smoother. But...
> >
> > Update to my quick comment. Redline MT-90 which is synthetic manual
> > transmission oil is 75W-90 GL4 but Redline 75W-90 synthetic gear oil
> > is GL5. I would say Redline gear oil might be the one. :-)
> >
> > Is this what you used?
> >
> > >
> > >Besides GL4 is not up to Mopar spec. I would prefer Redline if it also
> > >was GL5 spec.
> > >
> > >On a side note, you didn't mention if you changed any of your axle or
> > >transfer case fluid. That will really make a difference in vibrations.
> > >
> > >The answer it my query is 7 pints... Called a dealer.
> > >
> > >It's in the service manual which I have ordered but have not yet
> received.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:3f30f4cb$1_1@nntp2.nac.net...
> > >>> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
> > >>> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
> > >>> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
> > >>> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
> > >>> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
> > >>> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
> > >>> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
> > >>> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
> > >>>
> > >>>
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really poorly. It was crunching bad in-between gears.
My owners manual calls for GL4, so I drained out the other stuff and put
GL4 in. It now shifts smooth.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
redrubi wrote:
>
> GL-5 is not necessarily better - a lot of people think that it will
> chemically eat away at the syncros in transmissions not specifically
> designed for it. Not sure if this is true or urban legend sort of stuff. If
> in doubt, go with the Mopar stuff.
>
> "Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
> news:3f312ac1_2@nntp2.nac.net...
> > In article <3f312974_1@nntp2.nac.net>, Peter Parker <nospam@zero.com>
> wrote:
> > >In article <Zx9Ya.1799875$ZC.267554@news.easynews.com>,
> > >redrubi <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>You may want to try the Redline synthetic instead of the Mobil. I also
> have
> > >>a 94YJ and tried them both last year - the redline definately shifted
> much
> > >>smoother - I'd get some pretty ratty shifts if I took it up to 4k w/ the
> > >>mobil or dino and the Redline really smoothed it out at higher rpm
> shifts. I
> > >>normally shift around 2.5k-3k and it's still noticeably better even
> there or
> > >>lower, esp. after a long, hot run on the interstate. It's refreshing to
> > >>find a product that really does work noticeably better than other
> > >>alternatives.
> > >
> > >Are you aware that Redline is only GL4? I use Redline in my VW but I
> > >really want to go with 75W90 GL5 and that is Mobil1. GL5=Better...
> > >You might think you are shifting smoother. But...
> >
> > Update to my quick comment. Redline MT-90 which is synthetic manual
> > transmission oil is 75W-90 GL4 but Redline 75W-90 synthetic gear oil
> > is GL5. I would say Redline gear oil might be the one. :-)
> >
> > Is this what you used?
> >
> > >
> > >Besides GL4 is not up to Mopar spec. I would prefer Redline if it also
> > >was GL5 spec.
> > >
> > >On a side note, you didn't mention if you changed any of your axle or
> > >transfer case fluid. That will really make a difference in vibrations.
> > >
> > >The answer it my query is 7 pints... Called a dealer.
> > >
> > >It's in the service manual which I have ordered but have not yet
> received.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:3f30f4cb$1_1@nntp2.nac.net...
> > >>> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
> > >>> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
> > >>> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
> > >>> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
> > >>> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
> > >>> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
> > >>> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
> > >>> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
> > >>>
> > >>>
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08-07-2003, 05:55 PM
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Re: 1994 YJ Sahara 5sp MAN MTF quantity?
In article <TFcYa.1809499$cI2.250878@news.easynews.com>,
redrubi <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>GL-5 is not necessarily better - a lot of people think that it will
>chemically eat away at the syncros in transmissions not specifically
>designed for it. Not sure if this is true or urban legend sort of stuff. If
>in doubt, go with the Mopar stuff.
Here is what I know and have been told. Do not use GL-5 on transmissions
that use brass syncros. Older VWs use brass syncros and they specifically
only called for GL4. GL-5 contains sulfur-based additives which attack
yellow metals like brass. The "Mopar stuff"(sic) is 75W-90 GL-5...
Having said that and having received my "Mopar" 1994 Jeep YJ XJ (yellow book)
service manual today, I can say that GL-4 is not the preferred gear oil
for the AX4/5 and AX-15 (which I have).
Now-a-days GL-5 is the norm. If you have an older vehicle, I would say to
double check because GL-5 was not around then and it could cease up your
shifting. So I would say this is more true than urban legend.
>
>
>"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
>news:3f312ac1_2@nntp2.nac.net...
>> In article <3f312974_1@nntp2.nac.net>, Peter Parker <nospam@zero.com>
>wrote:
>> >In article <Zx9Ya.1799875$ZC.267554@news.easynews.com>,
>> >redrubi <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>You may want to try the Redline synthetic instead of the Mobil. I also
>have
>> >>a 94YJ and tried them both last year - the redline definately shifted
>much
>> >>smoother - I'd get some pretty ratty shifts if I took it up to 4k w/ the
>> >>mobil or dino and the Redline really smoothed it out at higher rpm
>shifts. I
>> >>normally shift around 2.5k-3k and it's still noticeably better even
>there or
>> >>lower, esp. after a long, hot run on the interstate. It's refreshing to
>> >>find a product that really does work noticeably better than other
>> >>alternatives.
>> >
>> >Are you aware that Redline is only GL4? I use Redline in my VW but I
>> >really want to go with 75W90 GL5 and that is Mobil1. GL5=Better...
>> >You might think you are shifting smoother. But...
>>
>> Update to my quick comment. Redline MT-90 which is synthetic manual
>> transmission oil is 75W-90 GL4 but Redline 75W-90 synthetic gear oil
>> is GL5. I would say Redline gear oil might be the one. :-)
>>
>> Is this what you used?
>>
>> >
>> >Besides GL4 is not up to Mopar spec. I would prefer Redline if it also
>> >was GL5 spec.
>> >
>> >On a side note, you didn't mention if you changed any of your axle or
>> >transfer case fluid. That will really make a difference in vibrations.
>> >
>> >The answer it my query is 7 pints... Called a dealer.
>> >
>> >It's in the service manual which I have ordered but have not yet
>received.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:3f30f4cb$1_1@nntp2.nac.net...
>> >>> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
>> >>> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
>> >>> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
>> >>> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
>> >>> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
>> >>> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
>> >>> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
>> >>> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
>> >>>
>> >>>
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redrubi <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>GL-5 is not necessarily better - a lot of people think that it will
>chemically eat away at the syncros in transmissions not specifically
>designed for it. Not sure if this is true or urban legend sort of stuff. If
>in doubt, go with the Mopar stuff.
Here is what I know and have been told. Do not use GL-5 on transmissions
that use brass syncros. Older VWs use brass syncros and they specifically
only called for GL4. GL-5 contains sulfur-based additives which attack
yellow metals like brass. The "Mopar stuff"(sic) is 75W-90 GL-5...
Having said that and having received my "Mopar" 1994 Jeep YJ XJ (yellow book)
service manual today, I can say that GL-4 is not the preferred gear oil
for the AX4/5 and AX-15 (which I have).
Now-a-days GL-5 is the norm. If you have an older vehicle, I would say to
double check because GL-5 was not around then and it could cease up your
shifting. So I would say this is more true than urban legend.
>
>
>"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
>news:3f312ac1_2@nntp2.nac.net...
>> In article <3f312974_1@nntp2.nac.net>, Peter Parker <nospam@zero.com>
>wrote:
>> >In article <Zx9Ya.1799875$ZC.267554@news.easynews.com>,
>> >redrubi <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>You may want to try the Redline synthetic instead of the Mobil. I also
>have
>> >>a 94YJ and tried them both last year - the redline definately shifted
>much
>> >>smoother - I'd get some pretty ratty shifts if I took it up to 4k w/ the
>> >>mobil or dino and the Redline really smoothed it out at higher rpm
>shifts. I
>> >>normally shift around 2.5k-3k and it's still noticeably better even
>there or
>> >>lower, esp. after a long, hot run on the interstate. It's refreshing to
>> >>find a product that really does work noticeably better than other
>> >>alternatives.
>> >
>> >Are you aware that Redline is only GL4? I use Redline in my VW but I
>> >really want to go with 75W90 GL5 and that is Mobil1. GL5=Better...
>> >You might think you are shifting smoother. But...
>>
>> Update to my quick comment. Redline MT-90 which is synthetic manual
>> transmission oil is 75W-90 GL4 but Redline 75W-90 synthetic gear oil
>> is GL5. I would say Redline gear oil might be the one. :-)
>>
>> Is this what you used?
>>
>> >
>> >Besides GL4 is not up to Mopar spec. I would prefer Redline if it also
>> >was GL5 spec.
>> >
>> >On a side note, you didn't mention if you changed any of your axle or
>> >transfer case fluid. That will really make a difference in vibrations.
>> >
>> >The answer it my query is 7 pints... Called a dealer.
>> >
>> >It's in the service manual which I have ordered but have not yet
>received.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:3f30f4cb$1_1@nntp2.nac.net...
>> >>> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
>> >>> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
>> >>> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
>> >>> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
>> >>> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
>> >>> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
>> >>> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
>> >>> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
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>> >>> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: 1994 YJ Sahara 5sp MAN MTF quantity?
In article <3F3164C7.D64CAE21@sympatico.ca>,
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>I used a GL4/GL5 compatible gear oil in my T5 and it started shifting
>really poorly. It was crunching bad in-between gears.
>
>My owners manual calls for GL4, so I drained out the other stuff and put
>GL4 in. It now shifts smooth.
See my previous post on Gl-4 vs GL-5. You are obviously writing about your
86 and 88 vehicles. GL-5 was not the norm back then.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>redrubi wrote:
>>
>> GL-5 is not necessarily better - a lot of people think that it will
>> chemically eat away at the syncros in transmissions not specifically
>> designed for it. Not sure if this is true or urban legend sort of stuff. If
>> in doubt, go with the Mopar stuff.
>>
>> "Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
>> news:3f312ac1_2@nntp2.nac.net...
>> > In article <3f312974_1@nntp2.nac.net>, Peter Parker <nospam@zero.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >In article <Zx9Ya.1799875$ZC.267554@news.easynews.com>,
>> > >redrubi <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>You may want to try the Redline synthetic instead of the Mobil. I also
>> have
>> > >>a 94YJ and tried them both last year - the redline definately shifted
>> much
>> > >>smoother - I'd get some pretty ratty shifts if I took it up to 4k w/ the
>> > >>mobil or dino and the Redline really smoothed it out at higher rpm
>> shifts. I
>> > >>normally shift around 2.5k-3k and it's still noticeably better even
>> there or
>> > >>lower, esp. after a long, hot run on the interstate. It's refreshing to
>> > >>find a product that really does work noticeably better than other
>> > >>alternatives.
>> > >
>> > >Are you aware that Redline is only GL4? I use Redline in my VW but I
>> > >really want to go with 75W90 GL5 and that is Mobil1. GL5=Better...
>> > >You might think you are shifting smoother. But...
>> >
>> > Update to my quick comment. Redline MT-90 which is synthetic manual
>> > transmission oil is 75W-90 GL4 but Redline 75W-90 synthetic gear oil
>> > is GL5. I would say Redline gear oil might be the one. :-)
>> >
>> > Is this what you used?
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Besides GL4 is not up to Mopar spec. I would prefer Redline if it also
>> > >was GL5 spec.
>> > >
>> > >On a side note, you didn't mention if you changed any of your axle or
>> > >transfer case fluid. That will really make a difference in vibrations.
>> > >
>> > >The answer it my query is 7 pints... Called a dealer.
>> > >
>> > >It's in the service manual which I have ordered but have not yet
>> received.
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
>> > >>news:3f30f4cb$1_1@nntp2.nac.net...
>> > >>> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
>> > >>> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
>> > >>> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
>> > >>> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
>> > >>> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
>> > >>> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
>> > >>> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
>> > >>> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> <html><form><input type crash></form></html>
>> > >>> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
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>> >
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Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>I used a GL4/GL5 compatible gear oil in my T5 and it started shifting
>really poorly. It was crunching bad in-between gears.
>
>My owners manual calls for GL4, so I drained out the other stuff and put
>GL4 in. It now shifts smooth.
See my previous post on Gl-4 vs GL-5. You are obviously writing about your
86 and 88 vehicles. GL-5 was not the norm back then.
>
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>redrubi wrote:
>>
>> GL-5 is not necessarily better - a lot of people think that it will
>> chemically eat away at the syncros in transmissions not specifically
>> designed for it. Not sure if this is true or urban legend sort of stuff. If
>> in doubt, go with the Mopar stuff.
>>
>> "Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
>> news:3f312ac1_2@nntp2.nac.net...
>> > In article <3f312974_1@nntp2.nac.net>, Peter Parker <nospam@zero.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >In article <Zx9Ya.1799875$ZC.267554@news.easynews.com>,
>> > >redrubi <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>You may want to try the Redline synthetic instead of the Mobil. I also
>> have
>> > >>a 94YJ and tried them both last year - the redline definately shifted
>> much
>> > >>smoother - I'd get some pretty ratty shifts if I took it up to 4k w/ the
>> > >>mobil or dino and the Redline really smoothed it out at higher rpm
>> shifts. I
>> > >>normally shift around 2.5k-3k and it's still noticeably better even
>> there or
>> > >>lower, esp. after a long, hot run on the interstate. It's refreshing to
>> > >>find a product that really does work noticeably better than other
>> > >>alternatives.
>> > >
>> > >Are you aware that Redline is only GL4? I use Redline in my VW but I
>> > >really want to go with 75W90 GL5 and that is Mobil1. GL5=Better...
>> > >You might think you are shifting smoother. But...
>> >
>> > Update to my quick comment. Redline MT-90 which is synthetic manual
>> > transmission oil is 75W-90 GL4 but Redline 75W-90 synthetic gear oil
>> > is GL5. I would say Redline gear oil might be the one. :-)
>> >
>> > Is this what you used?
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Besides GL4 is not up to Mopar spec. I would prefer Redline if it also
>> > >was GL5 spec.
>> > >
>> > >On a side note, you didn't mention if you changed any of your axle or
>> > >transfer case fluid. That will really make a difference in vibrations.
>> > >
>> > >The answer it my query is 7 pints... Called a dealer.
>> > >
>> > >It's in the service manual which I have ordered but have not yet
>> received.
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>"Peter Parker" <nospam@zero.com> wrote in message
>> > >>news:3f30f4cb$1_1@nntp2.nac.net...
>> > >>> Hi. I want to change the manual tranny fluid. The engine is a 4.0L
>> > >>> and the tranny is a 5 speed manual. The owners manual gave the exact
>> > >>> quantity for the motor, transfer case, front/rear axles but not the
>> > >>> manual trans. It only states to use Mopar gear lub or equiv SAE 75W-90
>> > >>> API-GL5 grade. I will be using Mobil1 75W-90. I have Mobil1 ATF in the
>> > >>> transfer case, Mobil1 in the f/r axles, Mobil1 in the engine and now
>> > >>> I want to finish the job and put Mobil1 in the manual tranny. All
>> > >>> synthetic. The owners manual appears to have numerous inaccuracies.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> <html><form><input type crash></form></html>
>> > >>> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply via e-mail
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
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>> >
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