1994 Sahara replacement fog lens?
07-18-2003, 10:59 PM
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1994 Sahara replacement fog lens?
Hi. I recently got a 94 Sahara YJ. The fog light lenses are rusted away
and I can't use the H3 bulbs that I just bought. Does anyone know where
to get stock lenses on the net or should I upgrade to either Hella 500s
or BlackMagics. I wonder if the OEM mounting hardware will work with the
Hellas and if the OEM wiring setup will handle the 12V55W. OEM H3s are
also 12V55W.
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and I can't use the H3 bulbs that I just bought. Does anyone know where
to get stock lenses on the net or should I upgrade to either Hella 500s
or BlackMagics. I wonder if the OEM mounting hardware will work with the
Hellas and if the OEM wiring setup will handle the 12V55W. OEM H3s are
also 12V55W.
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07-20-2003, 04:54 PM
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Re: 1994 Sahara replacement fog lens?
Trying again.
New too Jeeps and Fog lights. Adding to the previous post. I repaired the
wiring on the rear defroster and found out that the fog lights also get
their B+ source from the rear defroster fuse. The fuse was missing and
then the bulbs inside the switch worked. I also got B+ at the fog lights
but see below. The stock lenses are rusted away in the back. The Hella
500 look like they might fit the stock mount set up but I can't tell via
some jpgs so here I am with this question. The Hellas must be better
lights. I'm also considering the driving lights as replacements instead
of fog. Do driving lights also have to be switched off with high beams?
Tnx n advnc...
In article <3f18b3f5_1@nntp2.nac.net>, Peter Parker <nospam@zero.com> wrote:
>Hi. I recently got a 94 Sahara YJ. The fog light lenses are rusted away
>and I can't use the H3 bulbs that I just bought. Does anyone know where
>to get stock lenses on the net or should I upgrade to either Hella 500s
>or BlackMagics. I wonder if the OEM mounting hardware will work with the
>Hellas and if the OEM wiring setup will handle the 12V55W. OEM H3s are
>also 12V55W.
>
>TNX
>
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New too Jeeps and Fog lights. Adding to the previous post. I repaired the
wiring on the rear defroster and found out that the fog lights also get
their B+ source from the rear defroster fuse. The fuse was missing and
then the bulbs inside the switch worked. I also got B+ at the fog lights
but see below. The stock lenses are rusted away in the back. The Hella
500 look like they might fit the stock mount set up but I can't tell via
some jpgs so here I am with this question. The Hellas must be better
lights. I'm also considering the driving lights as replacements instead
of fog. Do driving lights also have to be switched off with high beams?
Tnx n advnc...
In article <3f18b3f5_1@nntp2.nac.net>, Peter Parker <nospam@zero.com> wrote:
>Hi. I recently got a 94 Sahara YJ. The fog light lenses are rusted away
>and I can't use the H3 bulbs that I just bought. Does anyone know where
>to get stock lenses on the net or should I upgrade to either Hella 500s
>or BlackMagics. I wonder if the OEM mounting hardware will work with the
>Hellas and if the OEM wiring setup will handle the 12V55W. OEM H3s are
>also 12V55W.
>
>TNX
>
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07-20-2003, 06:27 PM
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Re: 1994 Sahara replacement fog lens?
Around 7/20/2003 1:54 PM, Peter Parker spake thusly:
> I'm also considering the driving lights as replacements instead
> of fog. Do driving lights also have to be switched off with high beams?
As far as I know, it's the opposite; driving lights are only suppose to
be used while the high beams are on, and turn off when the high beams
are off. Dan Stern will know for sure, though.
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> I'm also considering the driving lights as replacements instead
> of fog. Do driving lights also have to be switched off with high beams?
As far as I know, it's the opposite; driving lights are only suppose to
be used while the high beams are on, and turn off when the high beams
are off. Dan Stern will know for sure, though.
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07-20-2003, 06:52 PM
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Re: 1994 Sahara replacement fog lens?
On 18 Jul 2003, Peter Parker wrote:
> Hi. I recently got a 94 Sahara YJ. The fog light lenses are rusted away
> and I can't use the H3 bulbs that I just bought. Does anyone know where
> to get stock lenses
Dealer-only item, and something of a ripoff in a performance-per-dollar
sense.
> on the net or should I upgrade to either Hella 500s
> or BlackMagics.
Or Cibie Tango 40s.
BlackMagics are the same lamp as the Hella 500, just with a black axial
cross that makes the lamps look kinda black when off, viewed from certain
angles.
> I wonder if the OEM mounting hardware will work with the
> Hellas
Depends on which OEM mounting setup you have.
> and if the OEM wiring setup will handle the 12V55W.
Since that is the stock wattage, yes.
DS
> Hi. I recently got a 94 Sahara YJ. The fog light lenses are rusted away
> and I can't use the H3 bulbs that I just bought. Does anyone know where
> to get stock lenses
Dealer-only item, and something of a ripoff in a performance-per-dollar
sense.
> on the net or should I upgrade to either Hella 500s
> or BlackMagics.
Or Cibie Tango 40s.
BlackMagics are the same lamp as the Hella 500, just with a black axial
cross that makes the lamps look kinda black when off, viewed from certain
angles.
> I wonder if the OEM mounting hardware will work with the
> Hellas
Depends on which OEM mounting setup you have.
> and if the OEM wiring setup will handle the 12V55W.
Since that is the stock wattage, yes.
DS
07-20-2003, 06:54 PM
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Re: 1994 Sahara replacement fog lens?
On 20 Jul 2003, Peter Parker wrote:
> lights. I'm also considering the driving lights as replacements instead
> of fog. Do driving lights also have to be switched off with high beams?
No, driving lamps are auxiliary *HIGH* beam lamps, legal and safe only for
use with your high beam headlamps, never in traffic, and only when NO
other vehicles are visible in front of you in either direction.
Fog lamps, on the other hand, are for use in fog. Don't be one of those
ignorant and inconsiderate types who runs them day and night, rain or
shine. More info here:
http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/lights/...fog_lamps.html
DS
07-20-2003, 08:53 PM
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Re: 1994 Sahara replacement fog lens?
In article <Pine.SOL.4.44.0307201852070.18351-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu>,
Daniel Stern Lighting <dastern@vrx.headlamp.net> wrote:
>
>On 20 Jul 2003, Peter Parker wrote:
>
>> lights. I'm also considering the driving lights as replacements instead
>> of fog. Do driving lights also have to be switched off with high beams?
>
>No, driving lamps are auxiliary *HIGH* beam lamps, legal and safe only for
>use with your high beam headlamps, never in traffic, and only when NO
>other vehicles are visible in front of you in either direction.
Okay. That's good to know. I would have to rewire my switch to only come
on with the *HIGH* (sic) beams if I go that route. That shouldn't be
hard.
>
>Fog lamps, on the other hand, are for use in fog. Don't be one of those
>ignorant and inconsiderate types who runs them day and night, rain or
>shine. More info here:
This will be the first time ever that I have owned fog lamps. These cheapo
OEMs are rusted through and through. I do have a seperate switch to turn
on the fogs.
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Daniel Stern Lighting <dastern@vrx.headlamp.net> wrote:
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>On 20 Jul 2003, Peter Parker wrote:
>
>> lights. I'm also considering the driving lights as replacements instead
>> of fog. Do driving lights also have to be switched off with high beams?
>
>No, driving lamps are auxiliary *HIGH* beam lamps, legal and safe only for
>use with your high beam headlamps, never in traffic, and only when NO
>other vehicles are visible in front of you in either direction.
Okay. That's good to know. I would have to rewire my switch to only come
on with the *HIGH* (sic) beams if I go that route. That shouldn't be
hard.
>
>Fog lamps, on the other hand, are for use in fog. Don't be one of those
>ignorant and inconsiderate types who runs them day and night, rain or
>shine. More info here:
This will be the first time ever that I have owned fog lamps. These cheapo
OEMs are rusted through and through. I do have a seperate switch to turn
on the fogs.
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07-20-2003, 09:13 PM
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Re: 1994 Sahara replacement fog lens?
In article <Pine.SOL.4.44.0307201850340.18351-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu>,
Daniel Stern Lighting <dastern@vrx.headlamp.net> wrote:
>On 18 Jul 2003, Peter Parker wrote:
>
>> Hi. I recently got a 94 Sahara YJ. The fog light lenses are rusted away
>> and I can't use the H3 bulbs that I just bought. Does anyone know where
>> to get stock lenses
>
>Dealer-only item, and something of a ripoff in a performance-per-dollar
>sense.
Say no more. I could not use the old lenses. They were rusted beyond repair.
>> on the net or should I upgrade to either Hella 500s
>> or BlackMagics.
>
>Or Cibie Tango 40s.
>BlackMagics are the same lamp as the Hella 500, just with a black axial
>cross that makes the lamps look kinda black when off, viewed from certain
>angles.
Okay. I would prefer the Hella 500s anyway. I don't think the black look
is worth the extra bucks.
>> I wonder if the OEM mounting hardware will work with the
>> Hellas
>
>Depends on which OEM mounting setup you have.
It's a bracket that is mounted on the front bumper with a bolt on "U"
type extension with two bolt holes on each side and top of the "U".
|
Checked your website out and the hardware looks the same as the Cibie
Tango 40s.
>> and if the OEM wiring setup will handle the 12V55W.
>
>Since that is the stock wattage, yes.
Okay sounds good.
>DS
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Daniel Stern Lighting <dastern@vrx.headlamp.net> wrote:
>On 18 Jul 2003, Peter Parker wrote:
>
>> Hi. I recently got a 94 Sahara YJ. The fog light lenses are rusted away
>> and I can't use the H3 bulbs that I just bought. Does anyone know where
>> to get stock lenses
>
>Dealer-only item, and something of a ripoff in a performance-per-dollar
>sense.
Say no more. I could not use the old lenses. They were rusted beyond repair.
>> on the net or should I upgrade to either Hella 500s
>> or BlackMagics.
>
>Or Cibie Tango 40s.
>BlackMagics are the same lamp as the Hella 500, just with a black axial
>cross that makes the lamps look kinda black when off, viewed from certain
>angles.
Okay. I would prefer the Hella 500s anyway. I don't think the black look
is worth the extra bucks.
>> I wonder if the OEM mounting hardware will work with the
>> Hellas
>
>Depends on which OEM mounting setup you have.
It's a bracket that is mounted on the front bumper with a bolt on "U"
type extension with two bolt holes on each side and top of the "U".
|
Checked your website out and the hardware looks the same as the Cibie
Tango 40s.
>> and if the OEM wiring setup will handle the 12V55W.
>
>Since that is the stock wattage, yes.
Okay sounds good.
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07-23-2003, 02:13 AM
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Re: 1994 Sahara replacement fog lens?
In article <3f1bc495.1781703@news>,
Ricardo <sovietjamaicanguy@spamfreezone.yahoo.ca> wrote:
>On 20 Jul 2003 20:53:54 -0400, nospam@zero.com (Peter Parker) wrote:
>
>>This will be the first time ever that I have owned fog lamps. These cheapo
>>OEMs are rusted through and through. I do have a seperate switch to turn
>>on the fogs.
>
>Personally, I think the most important place to install a fog lamp
>is the BACK of the car (red light), but a decent set of front fogs
>is certainly no bad thing. I strongly doubt that my Mazda's factory
>front fogs are of great worth, in spite of being 55W each. For one
>thing, they're mounted at headlamp height, plus they're white rather
>than selective yellow. I ordered a rear fog lamp (Hella 424 iirc)
>from a local parts stockist for $53 + $25 freight + tax, and the
>staff sure as heck looked a little bewildered. I identified the unit
>from the catalogue and the clerk told me that that store had never
>sold a rear fog light before. Absolutely astounding.
So I read that you also have Hella 500 fog lights or driving lights...
I will try the fog lights first and of course the Jeep fogs are also
above the bumper at headlamp height so it doesn't make sense. I would
install them under the bumper if I decide to add driving lights. :-)
I wonder how long they would last under the bumper. Not very long I
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Ricardo <sovietjamaicanguy@spamfreezone.yahoo.ca> wrote:
>On 20 Jul 2003 20:53:54 -0400, nospam@zero.com (Peter Parker) wrote:
>
>>This will be the first time ever that I have owned fog lamps. These cheapo
>>OEMs are rusted through and through. I do have a seperate switch to turn
>>on the fogs.
>
>Personally, I think the most important place to install a fog lamp
>is the BACK of the car (red light), but a decent set of front fogs
>is certainly no bad thing. I strongly doubt that my Mazda's factory
>front fogs are of great worth, in spite of being 55W each. For one
>thing, they're mounted at headlamp height, plus they're white rather
>than selective yellow. I ordered a rear fog lamp (Hella 424 iirc)
>from a local parts stockist for $53 + $25 freight + tax, and the
>staff sure as heck looked a little bewildered. I identified the unit
>from the catalogue and the clerk told me that that store had never
>sold a rear fog light before. Absolutely astounding.
So I read that you also have Hella 500 fog lights or driving lights...
I will try the fog lights first and of course the Jeep fogs are also
above the bumper at headlamp height so it doesn't make sense. I would
install them under the bumper if I decide to add driving lights. :-)
I wonder how long they would last under the bumper. Not very long I
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