134a Refrigerant
#741
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> >
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
> Typical bleeding heart liberal, when confronted with facts, resort
> to name calling.
Bill... c'mon, it was funny! Are you denying that
you're an extreme right-wing zealot? Should we
have a straw poll among regular readers here?
I'd imagine that denying the ozone hole problem
would put you right up there with the biggies...
after all, nobody in any branch of our government
makes *that* claim! And look who's in charge!
__
Steve
..
#742
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:AlSpe.2121$751.1390@newssvr30.news.prodigy.co m...
> > Why bother? The whole point is, you confused
> > Iraq with Afghanistan... just like Bush did.
>
> wrong answer. can you not acknowledge that these young girls are now
better
> off than before the invasion? can you not acknowledge that its a good
thing
> they can no longer be raped at will by his sons?
If you really cared about rape, instead of just
trying to save your face, you'd talk about the
big rape scene right now in Sudan. You
bring up this ochre anchovy in order to
try to get me to acknowledge that some
good has come from our invasion of Iraq.
It is an ill wind, indeed, that blows nobody
any good... and for the sake of argument,
I will say that the hypothetical women that
may have hypothetically have been raped
by the sons of Saddam just might be better
off today, than if they had been raped.
*If* they are still alive, and have not
died from effects of the invasion. Iraq is
a terrible, horrible place to live right now...
worse than when Saddam controlled it,
for the vast majority of people there.
You know *damn well* that we'd never
have gone in to save any young girls...
attributing any such goals to the invasion
is disengenuous... it's spinning, trying to
make an awful situation look better.
Our nation was damaged badly by
the 9/11 terrorists... but far more damage
has been done by the current administration.
We cannot afford to swing any weight
against Iran, North Korea, China, Sudan...
we're too extended, and military recruitment
is falling rapidly, while military spending
is spiraling out of control. The country's
going to hell in a handbasket, and you
want to talk about some young girls
getting raped... not because you care,
but because you think you can use this
as an emotional ploy. Yes, I'm glad that
Uday and Ofay (or whatever) are dead...
nobody on the planet deserved it more.
As long as that's all you look at, you
are doomed to participate in driving
America into the ground. The big picture,
Nate... you have to be willing to look at
the wide screen. And don't try to buy
sympathy for a failed invasion with
cloying talk about 'young girls'... by and
large, the planet would be much better
off with a few raped girls, and a hundred
thousand less dead Iraqis.
> > You bring up young girls raped just to
> > try and cloud the issue
>
> NO! i bring it up because its a VALID benefit which you wont even
> recognize. that you refuse to recognize it clearly shows your agenda.
'Valid benefit(s)' are worth what you pay for them,
right? Would killing mosquitos with nuclear weapons
count as a 'valid benefit'? Hundreds of thousands
must die, so that several young girls don't get raped?
Well, you must really be lining up to invade Sudan,
right? The Libertarian Ideal, being world police?
The thing is, I recognize the costs... you are just
looking for justification.
__
Steve
..
#743
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11ah5udecb95n5c@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:AlSpe.2121$751.1390@newssvr30.news.prodigy.co m...
> > Why bother? The whole point is, you confused
> > Iraq with Afghanistan... just like Bush did.
>
> wrong answer. can you not acknowledge that these young girls are now
better
> off than before the invasion? can you not acknowledge that its a good
thing
> they can no longer be raped at will by his sons?
If you really cared about rape, instead of just
trying to save your face, you'd talk about the
big rape scene right now in Sudan. You
bring up this ochre anchovy in order to
try to get me to acknowledge that some
good has come from our invasion of Iraq.
It is an ill wind, indeed, that blows nobody
any good... and for the sake of argument,
I will say that the hypothetical women that
may have hypothetically have been raped
by the sons of Saddam just might be better
off today, than if they had been raped.
*If* they are still alive, and have not
died from effects of the invasion. Iraq is
a terrible, horrible place to live right now...
worse than when Saddam controlled it,
for the vast majority of people there.
You know *damn well* that we'd never
have gone in to save any young girls...
attributing any such goals to the invasion
is disengenuous... it's spinning, trying to
make an awful situation look better.
Our nation was damaged badly by
the 9/11 terrorists... but far more damage
has been done by the current administration.
We cannot afford to swing any weight
against Iran, North Korea, China, Sudan...
we're too extended, and military recruitment
is falling rapidly, while military spending
is spiraling out of control. The country's
going to hell in a handbasket, and you
want to talk about some young girls
getting raped... not because you care,
but because you think you can use this
as an emotional ploy. Yes, I'm glad that
Uday and Ofay (or whatever) are dead...
nobody on the planet deserved it more.
As long as that's all you look at, you
are doomed to participate in driving
America into the ground. The big picture,
Nate... you have to be willing to look at
the wide screen. And don't try to buy
sympathy for a failed invasion with
cloying talk about 'young girls'... by and
large, the planet would be much better
off with a few raped girls, and a hundred
thousand less dead Iraqis.
> > You bring up young girls raped just to
> > try and cloud the issue
>
> NO! i bring it up because its a VALID benefit which you wont even
> recognize. that you refuse to recognize it clearly shows your agenda.
'Valid benefit(s)' are worth what you pay for them,
right? Would killing mosquitos with nuclear weapons
count as a 'valid benefit'? Hundreds of thousands
must die, so that several young girls don't get raped?
Well, you must really be lining up to invade Sudan,
right? The Libertarian Ideal, being world police?
The thing is, I recognize the costs... you are just
looking for justification.
__
Steve
..
#744
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11ah5udecb95n5c@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:AlSpe.2121$751.1390@newssvr30.news.prodigy.co m...
> > Why bother? The whole point is, you confused
> > Iraq with Afghanistan... just like Bush did.
>
> wrong answer. can you not acknowledge that these young girls are now
better
> off than before the invasion? can you not acknowledge that its a good
thing
> they can no longer be raped at will by his sons?
If you really cared about rape, instead of just
trying to save your face, you'd talk about the
big rape scene right now in Sudan. You
bring up this ochre anchovy in order to
try to get me to acknowledge that some
good has come from our invasion of Iraq.
It is an ill wind, indeed, that blows nobody
any good... and for the sake of argument,
I will say that the hypothetical women that
may have hypothetically have been raped
by the sons of Saddam just might be better
off today, than if they had been raped.
*If* they are still alive, and have not
died from effects of the invasion. Iraq is
a terrible, horrible place to live right now...
worse than when Saddam controlled it,
for the vast majority of people there.
You know *damn well* that we'd never
have gone in to save any young girls...
attributing any such goals to the invasion
is disengenuous... it's spinning, trying to
make an awful situation look better.
Our nation was damaged badly by
the 9/11 terrorists... but far more damage
has been done by the current administration.
We cannot afford to swing any weight
against Iran, North Korea, China, Sudan...
we're too extended, and military recruitment
is falling rapidly, while military spending
is spiraling out of control. The country's
going to hell in a handbasket, and you
want to talk about some young girls
getting raped... not because you care,
but because you think you can use this
as an emotional ploy. Yes, I'm glad that
Uday and Ofay (or whatever) are dead...
nobody on the planet deserved it more.
As long as that's all you look at, you
are doomed to participate in driving
America into the ground. The big picture,
Nate... you have to be willing to look at
the wide screen. And don't try to buy
sympathy for a failed invasion with
cloying talk about 'young girls'... by and
large, the planet would be much better
off with a few raped girls, and a hundred
thousand less dead Iraqis.
> > You bring up young girls raped just to
> > try and cloud the issue
>
> NO! i bring it up because its a VALID benefit which you wont even
> recognize. that you refuse to recognize it clearly shows your agenda.
'Valid benefit(s)' are worth what you pay for them,
right? Would killing mosquitos with nuclear weapons
count as a 'valid benefit'? Hundreds of thousands
must die, so that several young girls don't get raped?
Well, you must really be lining up to invade Sudan,
right? The Libertarian Ideal, being world police?
The thing is, I recognize the costs... you are just
looking for justification.
__
Steve
..
#745
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11ah5udecb95n5c@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:AlSpe.2121$751.1390@newssvr30.news.prodigy.co m...
> > Why bother? The whole point is, you confused
> > Iraq with Afghanistan... just like Bush did.
>
> wrong answer. can you not acknowledge that these young girls are now
better
> off than before the invasion? can you not acknowledge that its a good
thing
> they can no longer be raped at will by his sons?
If you really cared about rape, instead of just
trying to save your face, you'd talk about the
big rape scene right now in Sudan. You
bring up this ochre anchovy in order to
try to get me to acknowledge that some
good has come from our invasion of Iraq.
It is an ill wind, indeed, that blows nobody
any good... and for the sake of argument,
I will say that the hypothetical women that
may have hypothetically have been raped
by the sons of Saddam just might be better
off today, than if they had been raped.
*If* they are still alive, and have not
died from effects of the invasion. Iraq is
a terrible, horrible place to live right now...
worse than when Saddam controlled it,
for the vast majority of people there.
You know *damn well* that we'd never
have gone in to save any young girls...
attributing any such goals to the invasion
is disengenuous... it's spinning, trying to
make an awful situation look better.
Our nation was damaged badly by
the 9/11 terrorists... but far more damage
has been done by the current administration.
We cannot afford to swing any weight
against Iran, North Korea, China, Sudan...
we're too extended, and military recruitment
is falling rapidly, while military spending
is spiraling out of control. The country's
going to hell in a handbasket, and you
want to talk about some young girls
getting raped... not because you care,
but because you think you can use this
as an emotional ploy. Yes, I'm glad that
Uday and Ofay (or whatever) are dead...
nobody on the planet deserved it more.
As long as that's all you look at, you
are doomed to participate in driving
America into the ground. The big picture,
Nate... you have to be willing to look at
the wide screen. And don't try to buy
sympathy for a failed invasion with
cloying talk about 'young girls'... by and
large, the planet would be much better
off with a few raped girls, and a hundred
thousand less dead Iraqis.
> > You bring up young girls raped just to
> > try and cloud the issue
>
> NO! i bring it up because its a VALID benefit which you wont even
> recognize. that you refuse to recognize it clearly shows your agenda.
'Valid benefit(s)' are worth what you pay for them,
right? Would killing mosquitos with nuclear weapons
count as a 'valid benefit'? Hundreds of thousands
must die, so that several young girls don't get raped?
Well, you must really be lining up to invade Sudan,
right? The Libertarian Ideal, being world police?
The thing is, I recognize the costs... you are just
looking for justification.
__
Steve
..
#746
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Without wishing to minimise the loss of the people who died at the hands of
the --------- scum, you lost 2300 odd Americans and one building. I don't
think that counts as "badly damaging" a nation of 260,000,000 Americans and
lots of buildings. After all, 25,000 Americans get shot by other Americans
each yet and nearly 50,000 get killed driving a car (1/2 of which dont wear
seatbelts). We lost over 2000 people to the --------- IRA (largely funded by
American citizens with delusions of the old country), and I've been at the
train station when their bombs went off ; its scary but part of life - the
last thing you need is massive media hysteria or talking about "badly
damaged".
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Our nation was damaged badly by the 9/11 terrorists ... but far more
damage
has been done by the current administration.
the --------- scum, you lost 2300 odd Americans and one building. I don't
think that counts as "badly damaging" a nation of 260,000,000 Americans and
lots of buildings. After all, 25,000 Americans get shot by other Americans
each yet and nearly 50,000 get killed driving a car (1/2 of which dont wear
seatbelts). We lost over 2000 people to the --------- IRA (largely funded by
American citizens with delusions of the old country), and I've been at the
train station when their bombs went off ; its scary but part of life - the
last thing you need is massive media hysteria or talking about "badly
damaged".
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Our nation was damaged badly by the 9/11 terrorists ... but far more
damage
has been done by the current administration.
#747
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
Without wishing to minimise the loss of the people who died at the hands of
the --------- scum, you lost 2300 odd Americans and one building. I don't
think that counts as "badly damaging" a nation of 260,000,000 Americans and
lots of buildings. After all, 25,000 Americans get shot by other Americans
each yet and nearly 50,000 get killed driving a car (1/2 of which dont wear
seatbelts). We lost over 2000 people to the --------- IRA (largely funded by
American citizens with delusions of the old country), and I've been at the
train station when their bombs went off ; its scary but part of life - the
last thing you need is massive media hysteria or talking about "badly
damaged".
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Our nation was damaged badly by the 9/11 terrorists ... but far more
damage
has been done by the current administration.
the --------- scum, you lost 2300 odd Americans and one building. I don't
think that counts as "badly damaging" a nation of 260,000,000 Americans and
lots of buildings. After all, 25,000 Americans get shot by other Americans
each yet and nearly 50,000 get killed driving a car (1/2 of which dont wear
seatbelts). We lost over 2000 people to the --------- IRA (largely funded by
American citizens with delusions of the old country), and I've been at the
train station when their bombs went off ; its scary but part of life - the
last thing you need is massive media hysteria or talking about "badly
damaged".
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Our nation was damaged badly by the 9/11 terrorists ... but far more
damage
has been done by the current administration.
#748
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
Without wishing to minimise the loss of the people who died at the hands of
the --------- scum, you lost 2300 odd Americans and one building. I don't
think that counts as "badly damaging" a nation of 260,000,000 Americans and
lots of buildings. After all, 25,000 Americans get shot by other Americans
each yet and nearly 50,000 get killed driving a car (1/2 of which dont wear
seatbelts). We lost over 2000 people to the --------- IRA (largely funded by
American citizens with delusions of the old country), and I've been at the
train station when their bombs went off ; its scary but part of life - the
last thing you need is massive media hysteria or talking about "badly
damaged".
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Our nation was damaged badly by the 9/11 terrorists ... but far more
damage
has been done by the current administration.
the --------- scum, you lost 2300 odd Americans and one building. I don't
think that counts as "badly damaging" a nation of 260,000,000 Americans and
lots of buildings. After all, 25,000 Americans get shot by other Americans
each yet and nearly 50,000 get killed driving a car (1/2 of which dont wear
seatbelts). We lost over 2000 people to the --------- IRA (largely funded by
American citizens with delusions of the old country), and I've been at the
train station when their bombs went off ; its scary but part of life - the
last thing you need is massive media hysteria or talking about "badly
damaged".
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Our nation was damaged badly by the 9/11 terrorists ... but far more
damage
has been done by the current administration.
#749
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
Without wishing to minimise the loss of the people who died at the hands of
the --------- scum, you lost 2300 odd Americans and one building. I don't
think that counts as "badly damaging" a nation of 260,000,000 Americans and
lots of buildings. After all, 25,000 Americans get shot by other Americans
each yet and nearly 50,000 get killed driving a car (1/2 of which dont wear
seatbelts). We lost over 2000 people to the --------- IRA (largely funded by
American citizens with delusions of the old country), and I've been at the
train station when their bombs went off ; its scary but part of life - the
last thing you need is massive media hysteria or talking about "badly
damaged".
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Our nation was damaged badly by the 9/11 terrorists ... but far more
damage
has been done by the current administration.
the --------- scum, you lost 2300 odd Americans and one building. I don't
think that counts as "badly damaging" a nation of 260,000,000 Americans and
lots of buildings. After all, 25,000 Americans get shot by other Americans
each yet and nearly 50,000 get killed driving a car (1/2 of which dont wear
seatbelts). We lost over 2000 people to the --------- IRA (largely funded by
American citizens with delusions of the old country), and I've been at the
train station when their bombs went off ; its scary but part of life - the
last thing you need is massive media hysteria or talking about "badly
damaged".
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Vraqe.2334$751.107@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com ...
> Our nation was damaged badly by the 9/11 terrorists ... but far more
damage
has been done by the current administration.
#750
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Re: 134a Refrigerant (straw poll and rhetorical escalation)
OK... straw poll... Bill= informative, appreciated, and energetic, but for
sure right wing zealot. Steve= doing an OK job of holding down the
left-wing (not that there is one) fort: providing links, argueing nicely,
calling spades spades.
Advantage: Steve. The right is drunk with power right now and spouting
nonsensical lines fed to them by Rush et al. Pretty lame. The left is
cowering and shell-shocked and stunned that the SOB got re-elected but is
starting to prove that they are demonstratably correct on issues of the
enviroment and Iraq, not that reality seems to matter to conservatives.
Nonetheless, the truth is the truth.
The left has no *****. I hope we/they grow some soon and start calling it
as it really is. Bring on the revolution. Too bad the left is so
passive, unarmed, and gutless. The right has a swirling, ever-changing
lack of a true philosophy, indicative of a lack of moral compass, despite
their hypocritical assertations to the contrary, and seems intent on leading
us to a Christian apocolypse. Right-wing evangelical Christianity is
nothing less than cult behavior and should be mocked as such by anyone with
a brain.
That's what I think.
Carry on with your little flame war.
-jeff ('97 TJ, 4.0L, 5spd, 4.11's, True-Traks front and rear, 31" MTR's,
Warn 8000, Oly rock bumpers)
in article 2N9qe.2331$751.2045@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com, Stephen Cowell at
scowell@sbcglobal.net wrote on 6/9/05 10:44 PM:
> Bill... c'mon, it was funny! Are you denying that
> you're an extreme right-wing zealot? Should we
> have a straw poll among regular readers here?
sure right wing zealot. Steve= doing an OK job of holding down the
left-wing (not that there is one) fort: providing links, argueing nicely,
calling spades spades.
Advantage: Steve. The right is drunk with power right now and spouting
nonsensical lines fed to them by Rush et al. Pretty lame. The left is
cowering and shell-shocked and stunned that the SOB got re-elected but is
starting to prove that they are demonstratably correct on issues of the
enviroment and Iraq, not that reality seems to matter to conservatives.
Nonetheless, the truth is the truth.
The left has no *****. I hope we/they grow some soon and start calling it
as it really is. Bring on the revolution. Too bad the left is so
passive, unarmed, and gutless. The right has a swirling, ever-changing
lack of a true philosophy, indicative of a lack of moral compass, despite
their hypocritical assertations to the contrary, and seems intent on leading
us to a Christian apocolypse. Right-wing evangelical Christianity is
nothing less than cult behavior and should be mocked as such by anyone with
a brain.
That's what I think.
Carry on with your little flame war.
-jeff ('97 TJ, 4.0L, 5spd, 4.11's, True-Traks front and rear, 31" MTR's,
Warn 8000, Oly rock bumpers)
in article 2N9qe.2331$751.2045@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com, Stephen Cowell at
scowell@sbcglobal.net wrote on 6/9/05 10:44 PM:
> Bill... c'mon, it was funny! Are you denying that
> you're an extreme right-wing zealot? Should we
> have a straw poll among regular readers here?