134a Refrigerant
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:yC9pe.566$%j7.167@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com. ..
> > We're talking
> > Science here
>
> then show me something conclusive. no "could be's" which is all youve
given
> me thus far.
http://www.al.noaa.gov/WWWHD/pubdocs...nt98/faq3.html
> > and can anyone guess what your
> > agenda is, or who *you* voted for
>
> so call me a conservative and i wont whine about name calling. youre a
> liberal. you wear it, you may as well own it. calling you a liberal isnt
> "name calling", especially when its painfully obvious to anyone reading
your
> drivvel.
'Drivvel'? Self-referential, that...
> > what it
> > would take to convince *you* of a scientific fact?
>
> CONCLUSIVE evidence. no "could be, might be, probably is" crap.
http://www.al.noaa.gov/WWWHD/pubdocs...nt98/faq3.html
> > Can you understand that the atmosphere is
> > not as simple as you make it out to be?
>
> ive never tried to over simply it, but that doesnt change one basic point.
> heavier gas does not rise above lighter gas.
Why is air a mixture of gases? Why is it not all Argon
down here? By your ignorance, we should all be dead
now... the Oxygen layer would be several thousand feet up.
> > What about my HVAC industry link? You glossed
> > that one
>
> your link means NOTHING. its not an "industry link". industry link would
> suggest universal acceptance within the hvac industry. you quoted one
> source from within the hvac industry. i work within the
refrigeration/hvac
> industry and have forgot more about it than you could begin to hope to
know
> so dont try to tell me how the hvac industry feels about anything.
Do you dispute that the HVAC industry is
not in agreement over ozone depletion?
I cited an industry periodical... perhaps
you could do the same, if your assertion
holds water... go ahead, cite one. We're
waiting...
> > What would be conclusive evidence for you?
>
> statement of fact from a _credible_ source without leaving the back-door
for
> when its proven wrong.
You'll have to ask your pastor for that one... oh,
btw:
http://www.al.noaa.gov/WWWHD/pubdocs...nt98/faq3.html
> > That
> > NASA has measured chlorine in the stratosphere
> > rising since 1980?
>
> so tell me CONCLUSIVELY where its coming from. you cant. could it be
> naturally occuring in the stratosphere and falling down? fact is you (or
> your links) dont have any idea where its coming from which is why the
> save-face is left in every document youve quoted.
Now you've admitted that Chlorine is found in
the stratosphere... are you going to assert that
it's coming from outer space?
>
> > I posted that link... all you
> > posted was a periodic table.
>
> proving that the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than oxygen and
> carbon. heavier gases do not rise above lighter ones.
Then why did you admit that NASA measures
stratospheric chlorine? Why is it not falling down
here? Why are we not drowning in Argon?
__
Steve
..
#332
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:yC9pe.566$%j7.167@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com. ..
> > We're talking
> > Science here
>
> then show me something conclusive. no "could be's" which is all youve
given
> me thus far.
http://www.al.noaa.gov/WWWHD/pubdocs...nt98/faq3.html
> > and can anyone guess what your
> > agenda is, or who *you* voted for
>
> so call me a conservative and i wont whine about name calling. youre a
> liberal. you wear it, you may as well own it. calling you a liberal isnt
> "name calling", especially when its painfully obvious to anyone reading
your
> drivvel.
'Drivvel'? Self-referential, that...
> > what it
> > would take to convince *you* of a scientific fact?
>
> CONCLUSIVE evidence. no "could be, might be, probably is" crap.
http://www.al.noaa.gov/WWWHD/pubdocs...nt98/faq3.html
> > Can you understand that the atmosphere is
> > not as simple as you make it out to be?
>
> ive never tried to over simply it, but that doesnt change one basic point.
> heavier gas does not rise above lighter gas.
Why is air a mixture of gases? Why is it not all Argon
down here? By your ignorance, we should all be dead
now... the Oxygen layer would be several thousand feet up.
> > What about my HVAC industry link? You glossed
> > that one
>
> your link means NOTHING. its not an "industry link". industry link would
> suggest universal acceptance within the hvac industry. you quoted one
> source from within the hvac industry. i work within the
refrigeration/hvac
> industry and have forgot more about it than you could begin to hope to
know
> so dont try to tell me how the hvac industry feels about anything.
Do you dispute that the HVAC industry is
not in agreement over ozone depletion?
I cited an industry periodical... perhaps
you could do the same, if your assertion
holds water... go ahead, cite one. We're
waiting...
> > What would be conclusive evidence for you?
>
> statement of fact from a _credible_ source without leaving the back-door
for
> when its proven wrong.
You'll have to ask your pastor for that one... oh,
btw:
http://www.al.noaa.gov/WWWHD/pubdocs...nt98/faq3.html
> > That
> > NASA has measured chlorine in the stratosphere
> > rising since 1980?
>
> so tell me CONCLUSIVELY where its coming from. you cant. could it be
> naturally occuring in the stratosphere and falling down? fact is you (or
> your links) dont have any idea where its coming from which is why the
> save-face is left in every document youve quoted.
Now you've admitted that Chlorine is found in
the stratosphere... are you going to assert that
it's coming from outer space?
>
> > I posted that link... all you
> > posted was a periodic table.
>
> proving that the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than oxygen and
> carbon. heavier gases do not rise above lighter ones.
Then why did you admit that NASA measures
stratospheric chlorine? Why is it not falling down
here? Why are we not drowning in Argon?
__
Steve
..
#333
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11aabjllp0ftuf1@corp.supernews.com...
> "Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:yC9pe.566$%j7.167@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com. ..
> > We're talking
> > Science here
>
> then show me something conclusive. no "could be's" which is all youve
given
> me thus far.
http://www.al.noaa.gov/WWWHD/pubdocs...nt98/faq3.html
> > and can anyone guess what your
> > agenda is, or who *you* voted for
>
> so call me a conservative and i wont whine about name calling. youre a
> liberal. you wear it, you may as well own it. calling you a liberal isnt
> "name calling", especially when its painfully obvious to anyone reading
your
> drivvel.
'Drivvel'? Self-referential, that...
> > what it
> > would take to convince *you* of a scientific fact?
>
> CONCLUSIVE evidence. no "could be, might be, probably is" crap.
http://www.al.noaa.gov/WWWHD/pubdocs...nt98/faq3.html
> > Can you understand that the atmosphere is
> > not as simple as you make it out to be?
>
> ive never tried to over simply it, but that doesnt change one basic point.
> heavier gas does not rise above lighter gas.
Why is air a mixture of gases? Why is it not all Argon
down here? By your ignorance, we should all be dead
now... the Oxygen layer would be several thousand feet up.
> > What about my HVAC industry link? You glossed
> > that one
>
> your link means NOTHING. its not an "industry link". industry link would
> suggest universal acceptance within the hvac industry. you quoted one
> source from within the hvac industry. i work within the
refrigeration/hvac
> industry and have forgot more about it than you could begin to hope to
know
> so dont try to tell me how the hvac industry feels about anything.
Do you dispute that the HVAC industry is
not in agreement over ozone depletion?
I cited an industry periodical... perhaps
you could do the same, if your assertion
holds water... go ahead, cite one. We're
waiting...
> > What would be conclusive evidence for you?
>
> statement of fact from a _credible_ source without leaving the back-door
for
> when its proven wrong.
You'll have to ask your pastor for that one... oh,
btw:
http://www.al.noaa.gov/WWWHD/pubdocs...nt98/faq3.html
> > That
> > NASA has measured chlorine in the stratosphere
> > rising since 1980?
>
> so tell me CONCLUSIVELY where its coming from. you cant. could it be
> naturally occuring in the stratosphere and falling down? fact is you (or
> your links) dont have any idea where its coming from which is why the
> save-face is left in every document youve quoted.
Now you've admitted that Chlorine is found in
the stratosphere... are you going to assert that
it's coming from outer space?
>
> > I posted that link... all you
> > posted was a periodic table.
>
> proving that the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than oxygen and
> carbon. heavier gases do not rise above lighter ones.
Then why did you admit that NASA measures
stratospheric chlorine? Why is it not falling down
here? Why are we not drowning in Argon?
__
Steve
..
#338
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> You're the kind of liberal that gives the rest of us a bad name. Rush is a
> pompous ***, so I didn't even know he had agreed with it.
??
> http://www.fortfreedom.org/s50.htm
<>
[Excerpt from article on volcanoes in Douglas M. Considine,
editor, Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia, 7th Edition (New
York: Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989), p. 2973:1]
</>
How about that date? Pretty current stuff!
Notice:
" 12th May 1998: Fort Freedom has won the Enter Stage Right
Conservative Site of the Day Award! "
No agenda there!
> The theory is the cfc's break down spontaneously (some of the most
> chemically stable compounds known) and release free clorine that "eat
away"
> ozone.
You don't understand... or are actively ignorant. UV
light breaks down the CFCs... the CFC's don't break
down until they get to the UV light. The ozone layer
keeps the UV light out... so until the CFC's get to
the stratosphere, they are not broken down. This
means that CFC's hang around for hundreds of
years, until they hit the upper atmosphere.
__
Steve
..
#339
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:EaCdnYeq9eRZyTjfRVn-tg@comcast.com...
> You're the kind of liberal that gives the rest of us a bad name. Rush is a
> pompous ***, so I didn't even know he had agreed with it.
??
> http://www.fortfreedom.org/s50.htm
<>
[Excerpt from article on volcanoes in Douglas M. Considine,
editor, Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia, 7th Edition (New
York: Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989), p. 2973:1]
</>
How about that date? Pretty current stuff!
Notice:
" 12th May 1998: Fort Freedom has won the Enter Stage Right
Conservative Site of the Day Award! "
No agenda there!
> The theory is the cfc's break down spontaneously (some of the most
> chemically stable compounds known) and release free clorine that "eat
away"
> ozone.
You don't understand... or are actively ignorant. UV
light breaks down the CFCs... the CFC's don't break
down until they get to the UV light. The ozone layer
keeps the UV light out... so until the CFC's get to
the stratosphere, they are not broken down. This
means that CFC's hang around for hundreds of
years, until they hit the upper atmosphere.
__
Steve
..
#340
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:EaCdnYeq9eRZyTjfRVn-tg@comcast.com...
> You're the kind of liberal that gives the rest of us a bad name. Rush is a
> pompous ***, so I didn't even know he had agreed with it.
??
> http://www.fortfreedom.org/s50.htm
<>
[Excerpt from article on volcanoes in Douglas M. Considine,
editor, Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia, 7th Edition (New
York: Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989), p. 2973:1]
</>
How about that date? Pretty current stuff!
Notice:
" 12th May 1998: Fort Freedom has won the Enter Stage Right
Conservative Site of the Day Award! "
No agenda there!
> The theory is the cfc's break down spontaneously (some of the most
> chemically stable compounds known) and release free clorine that "eat
away"
> ozone.
You don't understand... or are actively ignorant. UV
light breaks down the CFCs... the CFC's don't break
down until they get to the UV light. The ozone layer
keeps the UV light out... so until the CFC's get to
the stratosphere, they are not broken down. This
means that CFC's hang around for hundreds of
years, until they hit the upper atmosphere.
__
Steve
..