134a Refrigerant
#291
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
What do you except? A giant meteor hit the gulf of Mexico at near
equator Latitude. Along with covering the earth with ash, we probably
blasted rock out into the universe like the mars rock we have with
fossils. BUT our earth's northern and southern hemispheres will remain
separated via basic laws in physics governing the earth's rotation, the
same that determine the direction water will funnel down into a drain.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
>
> Well... it's evidence of atmospheric effects crossing
> hemispheres... which you said couldn't happen.
>
> Tell me... how many times has the Earth flipped
> upside down since KT? Please supply a link, I
> collect real funny stuff.
> __
> Steve
> .
equator Latitude. Along with covering the earth with ash, we probably
blasted rock out into the universe like the mars rock we have with
fossils. BUT our earth's northern and southern hemispheres will remain
separated via basic laws in physics governing the earth's rotation, the
same that determine the direction water will funnel down into a drain.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
>
> Well... it's evidence of atmospheric effects crossing
> hemispheres... which you said couldn't happen.
>
> Tell me... how many times has the Earth flipped
> upside down since KT? Please supply a link, I
> collect real funny stuff.
> __
> Steve
> .
#292
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
What do you except? A giant meteor hit the gulf of Mexico at near
equator Latitude. Along with covering the earth with ash, we probably
blasted rock out into the universe like the mars rock we have with
fossils. BUT our earth's northern and southern hemispheres will remain
separated via basic laws in physics governing the earth's rotation, the
same that determine the direction water will funnel down into a drain.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
>
> Well... it's evidence of atmospheric effects crossing
> hemispheres... which you said couldn't happen.
>
> Tell me... how many times has the Earth flipped
> upside down since KT? Please supply a link, I
> collect real funny stuff.
> __
> Steve
> .
equator Latitude. Along with covering the earth with ash, we probably
blasted rock out into the universe like the mars rock we have with
fossils. BUT our earth's northern and southern hemispheres will remain
separated via basic laws in physics governing the earth's rotation, the
same that determine the direction water will funnel down into a drain.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
>
> Well... it's evidence of atmospheric effects crossing
> hemispheres... which you said couldn't happen.
>
> Tell me... how many times has the Earth flipped
> upside down since KT? Please supply a link, I
> collect real funny stuff.
> __
> Steve
> .
#293
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
What do you except? A giant meteor hit the gulf of Mexico at near
equator Latitude. Along with covering the earth with ash, we probably
blasted rock out into the universe like the mars rock we have with
fossils. BUT our earth's northern and southern hemispheres will remain
separated via basic laws in physics governing the earth's rotation, the
same that determine the direction water will funnel down into a drain.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
>
> Well... it's evidence of atmospheric effects crossing
> hemispheres... which you said couldn't happen.
>
> Tell me... how many times has the Earth flipped
> upside down since KT? Please supply a link, I
> collect real funny stuff.
> __
> Steve
> .
equator Latitude. Along with covering the earth with ash, we probably
blasted rock out into the universe like the mars rock we have with
fossils. BUT our earth's northern and southern hemispheres will remain
separated via basic laws in physics governing the earth's rotation, the
same that determine the direction water will funnel down into a drain.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
>
> Well... it's evidence of atmospheric effects crossing
> hemispheres... which you said couldn't happen.
>
> Tell me... how many times has the Earth flipped
> upside down since KT? Please supply a link, I
> collect real funny stuff.
> __
> Steve
> .
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "JohnM" <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote in message
> news:42a4c019$0$14970$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m...
>
>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
>>As far as the ozone layer story.. I'm not convinced we affect it that
>>much. If we did, wouldn't it be in the Northern Hemisphere?
>
>
> I've posted a link about the Polar Vortex... it was from
> NASA, IIRC. You are ignorant of the issues here.
> __
> Steve
> believes in Science
> .
That pdf file? I'll look at it later, the reader binds up my computer
every time I start it.
Regardless, I feel we have more pressing issues than ozone layer holes
at the south pole. If we are to give up everything that works well but
may have an impact on some aspect of our world in exchange for something
that works less well and simply has a different, unknown, impact we'll
never get anywhere. As I and another poster have pointed out, 134 is
more poisonous than was realized (or at least admitted) when the whole
hogwash was perpetrated. And in the end, what's the gain? None. The
developing economies will continue to produce, use and lose more R12
than we ever have. And they'll save money using it too, compared to our
efforts with other refrigerants. Good for them, bad for us.
When China comes into the market with automobiles which use R12, who in
a hot environment will want an American automobile with R134?
Repairing/recharging these systems will be expensive, R12 will be cheap
('cause it's cheaper to produce), American cars will be at a
disadvantage in yet another aspect. Even if this only affects the value
of used cars which may need AC work, the value of used cars affects the
value of new cars- so the effect is still there.
Anyway, it's bigger than ozone holes, there's much more to it than
that.. if you can't see past the ozone hole then it'll seem simple, but
it's not.
John
> "JohnM" <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote in message
> news:42a4c019$0$14970$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m...
>
>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
>>As far as the ozone layer story.. I'm not convinced we affect it that
>>much. If we did, wouldn't it be in the Northern Hemisphere?
>
>
> I've posted a link about the Polar Vortex... it was from
> NASA, IIRC. You are ignorant of the issues here.
> __
> Steve
> believes in Science
> .
That pdf file? I'll look at it later, the reader binds up my computer
every time I start it.
Regardless, I feel we have more pressing issues than ozone layer holes
at the south pole. If we are to give up everything that works well but
may have an impact on some aspect of our world in exchange for something
that works less well and simply has a different, unknown, impact we'll
never get anywhere. As I and another poster have pointed out, 134 is
more poisonous than was realized (or at least admitted) when the whole
hogwash was perpetrated. And in the end, what's the gain? None. The
developing economies will continue to produce, use and lose more R12
than we ever have. And they'll save money using it too, compared to our
efforts with other refrigerants. Good for them, bad for us.
When China comes into the market with automobiles which use R12, who in
a hot environment will want an American automobile with R134?
Repairing/recharging these systems will be expensive, R12 will be cheap
('cause it's cheaper to produce), American cars will be at a
disadvantage in yet another aspect. Even if this only affects the value
of used cars which may need AC work, the value of used cars affects the
value of new cars- so the effect is still there.
Anyway, it's bigger than ozone holes, there's much more to it than
that.. if you can't see past the ozone hole then it'll seem simple, but
it's not.
John
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "JohnM" <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote in message
> news:42a4c019$0$14970$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m...
>
>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
>>As far as the ozone layer story.. I'm not convinced we affect it that
>>much. If we did, wouldn't it be in the Northern Hemisphere?
>
>
> I've posted a link about the Polar Vortex... it was from
> NASA, IIRC. You are ignorant of the issues here.
> __
> Steve
> believes in Science
> .
That pdf file? I'll look at it later, the reader binds up my computer
every time I start it.
Regardless, I feel we have more pressing issues than ozone layer holes
at the south pole. If we are to give up everything that works well but
may have an impact on some aspect of our world in exchange for something
that works less well and simply has a different, unknown, impact we'll
never get anywhere. As I and another poster have pointed out, 134 is
more poisonous than was realized (or at least admitted) when the whole
hogwash was perpetrated. And in the end, what's the gain? None. The
developing economies will continue to produce, use and lose more R12
than we ever have. And they'll save money using it too, compared to our
efforts with other refrigerants. Good for them, bad for us.
When China comes into the market with automobiles which use R12, who in
a hot environment will want an American automobile with R134?
Repairing/recharging these systems will be expensive, R12 will be cheap
('cause it's cheaper to produce), American cars will be at a
disadvantage in yet another aspect. Even if this only affects the value
of used cars which may need AC work, the value of used cars affects the
value of new cars- so the effect is still there.
Anyway, it's bigger than ozone holes, there's much more to it than
that.. if you can't see past the ozone hole then it'll seem simple, but
it's not.
John
> "JohnM" <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote in message
> news:42a4c019$0$14970$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m...
>
>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
>>As far as the ozone layer story.. I'm not convinced we affect it that
>>much. If we did, wouldn't it be in the Northern Hemisphere?
>
>
> I've posted a link about the Polar Vortex... it was from
> NASA, IIRC. You are ignorant of the issues here.
> __
> Steve
> believes in Science
> .
That pdf file? I'll look at it later, the reader binds up my computer
every time I start it.
Regardless, I feel we have more pressing issues than ozone layer holes
at the south pole. If we are to give up everything that works well but
may have an impact on some aspect of our world in exchange for something
that works less well and simply has a different, unknown, impact we'll
never get anywhere. As I and another poster have pointed out, 134 is
more poisonous than was realized (or at least admitted) when the whole
hogwash was perpetrated. And in the end, what's the gain? None. The
developing economies will continue to produce, use and lose more R12
than we ever have. And they'll save money using it too, compared to our
efforts with other refrigerants. Good for them, bad for us.
When China comes into the market with automobiles which use R12, who in
a hot environment will want an American automobile with R134?
Repairing/recharging these systems will be expensive, R12 will be cheap
('cause it's cheaper to produce), American cars will be at a
disadvantage in yet another aspect. Even if this only affects the value
of used cars which may need AC work, the value of used cars affects the
value of new cars- so the effect is still there.
Anyway, it's bigger than ozone holes, there's much more to it than
that.. if you can't see past the ozone hole then it'll seem simple, but
it's not.
John
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "JohnM" <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote in message
> news:42a4c019$0$14970$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m...
>
>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
>>As far as the ozone layer story.. I'm not convinced we affect it that
>>much. If we did, wouldn't it be in the Northern Hemisphere?
>
>
> I've posted a link about the Polar Vortex... it was from
> NASA, IIRC. You are ignorant of the issues here.
> __
> Steve
> believes in Science
> .
That pdf file? I'll look at it later, the reader binds up my computer
every time I start it.
Regardless, I feel we have more pressing issues than ozone layer holes
at the south pole. If we are to give up everything that works well but
may have an impact on some aspect of our world in exchange for something
that works less well and simply has a different, unknown, impact we'll
never get anywhere. As I and another poster have pointed out, 134 is
more poisonous than was realized (or at least admitted) when the whole
hogwash was perpetrated. And in the end, what's the gain? None. The
developing economies will continue to produce, use and lose more R12
than we ever have. And they'll save money using it too, compared to our
efforts with other refrigerants. Good for them, bad for us.
When China comes into the market with automobiles which use R12, who in
a hot environment will want an American automobile with R134?
Repairing/recharging these systems will be expensive, R12 will be cheap
('cause it's cheaper to produce), American cars will be at a
disadvantage in yet another aspect. Even if this only affects the value
of used cars which may need AC work, the value of used cars affects the
value of new cars- so the effect is still there.
Anyway, it's bigger than ozone holes, there's much more to it than
that.. if you can't see past the ozone hole then it'll seem simple, but
it's not.
John
> "JohnM" <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote in message
> news:42a4c019$0$14970$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m...
>
>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
>>As far as the ozone layer story.. I'm not convinced we affect it that
>>much. If we did, wouldn't it be in the Northern Hemisphere?
>
>
> I've posted a link about the Polar Vortex... it was from
> NASA, IIRC. You are ignorant of the issues here.
> __
> Steve
> believes in Science
> .
That pdf file? I'll look at it later, the reader binds up my computer
every time I start it.
Regardless, I feel we have more pressing issues than ozone layer holes
at the south pole. If we are to give up everything that works well but
may have an impact on some aspect of our world in exchange for something
that works less well and simply has a different, unknown, impact we'll
never get anywhere. As I and another poster have pointed out, 134 is
more poisonous than was realized (or at least admitted) when the whole
hogwash was perpetrated. And in the end, what's the gain? None. The
developing economies will continue to produce, use and lose more R12
than we ever have. And they'll save money using it too, compared to our
efforts with other refrigerants. Good for them, bad for us.
When China comes into the market with automobiles which use R12, who in
a hot environment will want an American automobile with R134?
Repairing/recharging these systems will be expensive, R12 will be cheap
('cause it's cheaper to produce), American cars will be at a
disadvantage in yet another aspect. Even if this only affects the value
of used cars which may need AC work, the value of used cars affects the
value of new cars- so the effect is still there.
Anyway, it's bigger than ozone holes, there's much more to it than
that.. if you can't see past the ozone hole then it'll seem simple, but
it's not.
John
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "JohnM" <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote in message
> news:42a4c019$0$14970$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m...
>
>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
>>As far as the ozone layer story.. I'm not convinced we affect it that
>>much. If we did, wouldn't it be in the Northern Hemisphere?
>
>
> I've posted a link about the Polar Vortex... it was from
> NASA, IIRC. You are ignorant of the issues here.
> __
> Steve
> believes in Science
> .
That pdf file? I'll look at it later, the reader binds up my computer
every time I start it.
Regardless, I feel we have more pressing issues than ozone layer holes
at the south pole. If we are to give up everything that works well but
may have an impact on some aspect of our world in exchange for something
that works less well and simply has a different, unknown, impact we'll
never get anywhere. As I and another poster have pointed out, 134 is
more poisonous than was realized (or at least admitted) when the whole
hogwash was perpetrated. And in the end, what's the gain? None. The
developing economies will continue to produce, use and lose more R12
than we ever have. And they'll save money using it too, compared to our
efforts with other refrigerants. Good for them, bad for us.
When China comes into the market with automobiles which use R12, who in
a hot environment will want an American automobile with R134?
Repairing/recharging these systems will be expensive, R12 will be cheap
('cause it's cheaper to produce), American cars will be at a
disadvantage in yet another aspect. Even if this only affects the value
of used cars which may need AC work, the value of used cars affects the
value of new cars- so the effect is still there.
Anyway, it's bigger than ozone holes, there's much more to it than
that.. if you can't see past the ozone hole then it'll seem simple, but
it's not.
John
> "JohnM" <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote in message
> news:42a4c019$0$14970$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.co m...
>
>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
>>As far as the ozone layer story.. I'm not convinced we affect it that
>>much. If we did, wouldn't it be in the Northern Hemisphere?
>
>
> I've posted a link about the Polar Vortex... it was from
> NASA, IIRC. You are ignorant of the issues here.
> __
> Steve
> believes in Science
> .
That pdf file? I'll look at it later, the reader binds up my computer
every time I start it.
Regardless, I feel we have more pressing issues than ozone layer holes
at the south pole. If we are to give up everything that works well but
may have an impact on some aspect of our world in exchange for something
that works less well and simply has a different, unknown, impact we'll
never get anywhere. As I and another poster have pointed out, 134 is
more poisonous than was realized (or at least admitted) when the whole
hogwash was perpetrated. And in the end, what's the gain? None. The
developing economies will continue to produce, use and lose more R12
than we ever have. And they'll save money using it too, compared to our
efforts with other refrigerants. Good for them, bad for us.
When China comes into the market with automobiles which use R12, who in
a hot environment will want an American automobile with R134?
Repairing/recharging these systems will be expensive, R12 will be cheap
('cause it's cheaper to produce), American cars will be at a
disadvantage in yet another aspect. Even if this only affects the value
of used cars which may need AC work, the value of used cars affects the
value of new cars- so the effect is still there.
Anyway, it's bigger than ozone holes, there's much more to it than
that.. if you can't see past the ozone hole then it'll seem simple, but
it's not.
John
#298
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Evidence exists that the polar vortex is a natural phenomenon and existed
before cfc's were widely used. Has to do with the large temperature
variation between the Antarctic continent and the surrounding ocean...the
land mass is supercooled during the Antarctic winter, and the increased
temperature varaiation causes massive upper-level winds that disperse the
atmospheric ozone over the Antarctic.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:gFLoe.45991$G8.39387@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> well, I have no idea. However, to quote NASA:
>
> "but the link between CFC's and Ozone depletion, and the major factors
> creating the antarctic ozone hole, are considered by most researchers to
> be
> well established facts"
>
> Consequently, until I can be bothered to get a Chemistry degree, I'll err
> on
> the side of caution and do my best to tread lightly.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:11a6vrk2n9nho1f@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:TfEoe.45712$G8.29587@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> > I'm sure volcanoes will feel responsible and penitent if we start
>> > starving...
>> > It's like throwing litter - just because a place is untidy, that
>> > doesn't
>> > give us an excuse to make it worse. It's part of treading lightly in my
>> > book.
>>
>> but there is _no_ scientific evidence of refrigerant causing the
>> depletion
>> of the ozone. in fact, the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than air
>> making it nearly impossible for it to ever reach the ozone anyway. it
>> all
>> boils down to money. when duponts patent expired on 12, suddenly it was
>> deemed "bad" for the environment.
>>
>> --
>> Nathan W. Collier
>> http://7SlotGrille.com
>> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>>
>>
>
>
before cfc's were widely used. Has to do with the large temperature
variation between the Antarctic continent and the surrounding ocean...the
land mass is supercooled during the Antarctic winter, and the increased
temperature varaiation causes massive upper-level winds that disperse the
atmospheric ozone over the Antarctic.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:gFLoe.45991$G8.39387@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> well, I have no idea. However, to quote NASA:
>
> "but the link between CFC's and Ozone depletion, and the major factors
> creating the antarctic ozone hole, are considered by most researchers to
> be
> well established facts"
>
> Consequently, until I can be bothered to get a Chemistry degree, I'll err
> on
> the side of caution and do my best to tread lightly.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:11a6vrk2n9nho1f@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:TfEoe.45712$G8.29587@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> > I'm sure volcanoes will feel responsible and penitent if we start
>> > starving...
>> > It's like throwing litter - just because a place is untidy, that
>> > doesn't
>> > give us an excuse to make it worse. It's part of treading lightly in my
>> > book.
>>
>> but there is _no_ scientific evidence of refrigerant causing the
>> depletion
>> of the ozone. in fact, the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than air
>> making it nearly impossible for it to ever reach the ozone anyway. it
>> all
>> boils down to money. when duponts patent expired on 12, suddenly it was
>> deemed "bad" for the environment.
>>
>> --
>> Nathan W. Collier
>> http://7SlotGrille.com
>> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>>
>>
>
>
#299
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 134a Refrigerant
Evidence exists that the polar vortex is a natural phenomenon and existed
before cfc's were widely used. Has to do with the large temperature
variation between the Antarctic continent and the surrounding ocean...the
land mass is supercooled during the Antarctic winter, and the increased
temperature varaiation causes massive upper-level winds that disperse the
atmospheric ozone over the Antarctic.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:gFLoe.45991$G8.39387@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> well, I have no idea. However, to quote NASA:
>
> "but the link between CFC's and Ozone depletion, and the major factors
> creating the antarctic ozone hole, are considered by most researchers to
> be
> well established facts"
>
> Consequently, until I can be bothered to get a Chemistry degree, I'll err
> on
> the side of caution and do my best to tread lightly.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:11a6vrk2n9nho1f@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:TfEoe.45712$G8.29587@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> > I'm sure volcanoes will feel responsible and penitent if we start
>> > starving...
>> > It's like throwing litter - just because a place is untidy, that
>> > doesn't
>> > give us an excuse to make it worse. It's part of treading lightly in my
>> > book.
>>
>> but there is _no_ scientific evidence of refrigerant causing the
>> depletion
>> of the ozone. in fact, the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than air
>> making it nearly impossible for it to ever reach the ozone anyway. it
>> all
>> boils down to money. when duponts patent expired on 12, suddenly it was
>> deemed "bad" for the environment.
>>
>> --
>> Nathan W. Collier
>> http://7SlotGrille.com
>> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>>
>>
>
>
before cfc's were widely used. Has to do with the large temperature
variation between the Antarctic continent and the surrounding ocean...the
land mass is supercooled during the Antarctic winter, and the increased
temperature varaiation causes massive upper-level winds that disperse the
atmospheric ozone over the Antarctic.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:gFLoe.45991$G8.39387@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> well, I have no idea. However, to quote NASA:
>
> "but the link between CFC's and Ozone depletion, and the major factors
> creating the antarctic ozone hole, are considered by most researchers to
> be
> well established facts"
>
> Consequently, until I can be bothered to get a Chemistry degree, I'll err
> on
> the side of caution and do my best to tread lightly.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:11a6vrk2n9nho1f@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:TfEoe.45712$G8.29587@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> > I'm sure volcanoes will feel responsible and penitent if we start
>> > starving...
>> > It's like throwing litter - just because a place is untidy, that
>> > doesn't
>> > give us an excuse to make it worse. It's part of treading lightly in my
>> > book.
>>
>> but there is _no_ scientific evidence of refrigerant causing the
>> depletion
>> of the ozone. in fact, the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than air
>> making it nearly impossible for it to ever reach the ozone anyway. it
>> all
>> boils down to money. when duponts patent expired on 12, suddenly it was
>> deemed "bad" for the environment.
>>
>> --
>> Nathan W. Collier
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Re: 134a Refrigerant
Evidence exists that the polar vortex is a natural phenomenon and existed
before cfc's were widely used. Has to do with the large temperature
variation between the Antarctic continent and the surrounding ocean...the
land mass is supercooled during the Antarctic winter, and the increased
temperature varaiation causes massive upper-level winds that disperse the
atmospheric ozone over the Antarctic.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:gFLoe.45991$G8.39387@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> well, I have no idea. However, to quote NASA:
>
> "but the link between CFC's and Ozone depletion, and the major factors
> creating the antarctic ozone hole, are considered by most researchers to
> be
> well established facts"
>
> Consequently, until I can be bothered to get a Chemistry degree, I'll err
> on
> the side of caution and do my best to tread lightly.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:11a6vrk2n9nho1f@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:TfEoe.45712$G8.29587@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> > I'm sure volcanoes will feel responsible and penitent if we start
>> > starving...
>> > It's like throwing litter - just because a place is untidy, that
>> > doesn't
>> > give us an excuse to make it worse. It's part of treading lightly in my
>> > book.
>>
>> but there is _no_ scientific evidence of refrigerant causing the
>> depletion
>> of the ozone. in fact, the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than air
>> making it nearly impossible for it to ever reach the ozone anyway. it
>> all
>> boils down to money. when duponts patent expired on 12, suddenly it was
>> deemed "bad" for the environment.
>>
>> --
>> Nathan W. Collier
>> http://7SlotGrille.com
>> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>>
>>
>
>
before cfc's were widely used. Has to do with the large temperature
variation between the Antarctic continent and the surrounding ocean...the
land mass is supercooled during the Antarctic winter, and the increased
temperature varaiation causes massive upper-level winds that disperse the
atmospheric ozone over the Antarctic.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:gFLoe.45991$G8.39387@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> well, I have no idea. However, to quote NASA:
>
> "but the link between CFC's and Ozone depletion, and the major factors
> creating the antarctic ozone hole, are considered by most researchers to
> be
> well established facts"
>
> Consequently, until I can be bothered to get a Chemistry degree, I'll err
> on
> the side of caution and do my best to tread lightly.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:11a6vrk2n9nho1f@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:TfEoe.45712$G8.29587@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> > I'm sure volcanoes will feel responsible and penitent if we start
>> > starving...
>> > It's like throwing litter - just because a place is untidy, that
>> > doesn't
>> > give us an excuse to make it worse. It's part of treading lightly in my
>> > book.
>>
>> but there is _no_ scientific evidence of refrigerant causing the
>> depletion
>> of the ozone. in fact, the atomic weight of chlorine is heavier than air
>> making it nearly impossible for it to ever reach the ozone anyway. it
>> all
>> boils down to money. when duponts patent expired on 12, suddenly it was
>> deemed "bad" for the environment.
>>
>> --
>> Nathan W. Collier
>> http://7SlotGrille.com
>> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>>
>>
>
>