You still haven't made the connection between Chlorofluorocarbons
and the ozone, like how does heavier than air rise to that height?
Except by some bleeding heart liberal theory designed solely to suck
government grant's tax payer money. Even the common layman can see it
has no bases in fact! It is pure unadulterated bullsh*t! And you're a
loser if can be lead by false statements!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

jeff wrote:
>
> Twist/Twist/Twist..... You sure like to grasp at straws don't you.
>
> The troposphere extends to between 5 and 9 miles up. Above that is the
> stratosphere which extends to about 30 miles or so. FWIW, ozone forms at
> about the mid point, say 20 miles up or so. My point was that tropical
> cumulonimbus formations can easily extend upward of 8 to 9 miles, which
> is reaching the stratosphere. Also, they routinely carry heavy
> hailstones. If they can carry three pound ice *****, they are certainly
> not going to have any problem with CFCs. In case you are counting, ice
> has a specific gravity about 400 times that of air, and about 100 times
> that of dichlordiflouromethane. Isn't it amazing how the wind can carry
> ice, water, and all manner of debris and particulate matter, hundreds of
> times denser than air, but freon is going to drop like a rock because
> "it's heavier than air". It doesn't wash.
>
> --
> jeff

 

Billy Ray did pass the time by typing:
> Thanks for the link Doug. I like the sound of that Usenet group based on
> the description at http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.07/alt.pave.html
>
> In actuality there are more trees in north America now than there were in
> 1900. This is because the lumber companies almost a century ago started
> planting more trees than they cut down.

True, but they mostly plant quick growth pine, not slow growth. Which is a
bit misleading.

> I am not really as hard line as I sound sometimes.... although my brother
> tells everyone I think that Richard Nixon was a liberal.....

He wasn't? With the laws at least. :)

> I was very testy with Stephen in an earlier post. It must be the hot and
> humid weather. Note: science has shown that climate changes are a totally
> natural event that have happened constantly in the recorded (in rock and
> ice) history of the planet.

The earth will be here long after the human population has gone extinct.
Recorded history amounts to nothing compared to the overall age of this
dirtball.

> I believe there is something to the theory of the "greenhouse effect" but I
> do not believe it is anywhere as serious as the wacko environmentalists
> would want you to believe. I personally believe they would garner more
> support if they offered the truth instead of exaggeration.

Yep. They think too short term without taking into account the geological
record. But then

> It is interesting to note that when Al Gore's advisor on global warming
> admitted that some of his original conclusions were based on improper
> assumptions that no change was made in Gore's environmental platform.

Yes, I thought that was interesting as well.

> <sigh> Perhaps I am a Neanderthal. My last 6 vehicles have been sports cars
> or SUVs.... I wanted them, I could afford them, so I bought them....

Same here, but I got rid of a 9mpg smog bomb of a truck and got the ZJ.

> Perhaps my next jeep will be powered by a hydrogen fuel cell. When I was in
> college we were taught that a vehicle that expelled only water and carbon
> dioxide was non-polluting....

If there are enough plants, that's true.

I have my 10 speed bike. Unfortunately with this weather the indoor
pollution when I get to work makes it more of an environmental hazard
than the ZJ.

--
DougW

 

Billy Ray did pass the time by typing:
> Thanks for the link Doug. I like the sound of that Usenet group based on
> the description at http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.07/alt.pave.html
>
> In actuality there are more trees in north America now than there were in
> 1900. This is because the lumber companies almost a century ago started
> planting more trees than they cut down.

True, but they mostly plant quick growth pine, not slow growth. Which is a
bit misleading.

> I am not really as hard line as I sound sometimes.... although my brother
> tells everyone I think that Richard Nixon was a liberal.....

He wasn't? With the laws at least. :)

> I was very testy with Stephen in an earlier post. It must be the hot and
> humid weather. Note: science has shown that climate changes are a totally
> natural event that have happened constantly in the recorded (in rock and
> ice) history of the planet.

The earth will be here long after the human population has gone extinct.
Recorded history amounts to nothing compared to the overall age of this
dirtball.

> I believe there is something to the theory of the "greenhouse effect" but I
> do not believe it is anywhere as serious as the wacko environmentalists
> would want you to believe. I personally believe they would garner more
> support if they offered the truth instead of exaggeration.

Yep. They think too short term without taking into account the geological
record. But then

> It is interesting to note that when Al Gore's advisor on global warming
> admitted that some of his original conclusions were based on improper
> assumptions that no change was made in Gore's environmental platform.

Yes, I thought that was interesting as well.

> <sigh> Perhaps I am a Neanderthal. My last 6 vehicles have been sports cars
> or SUVs.... I wanted them, I could afford them, so I bought them....

Same here, but I got rid of a 9mpg smog bomb of a truck and got the ZJ.

> Perhaps my next jeep will be powered by a hydrogen fuel cell. When I was in
> college we were taught that a vehicle that expelled only water and carbon
> dioxide was non-polluting....

If there are enough plants, that's true.

I have my 10 speed bike. Unfortunately with this weather the indoor
pollution when I get to work makes it more of an environmental hazard
than the ZJ.

--
DougW

 

Billy Ray did pass the time by typing:
> Thanks for the link Doug. I like the sound of that Usenet group based on
> the description at http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.07/alt.pave.html
>
> In actuality there are more trees in north America now than there were in
> 1900. This is because the lumber companies almost a century ago started
> planting more trees than they cut down.

True, but they mostly plant quick growth pine, not slow growth. Which is a
bit misleading.

> I am not really as hard line as I sound sometimes.... although my brother
> tells everyone I think that Richard Nixon was a liberal.....

He wasn't? With the laws at least. :)

> I was very testy with Stephen in an earlier post. It must be the hot and
> humid weather. Note: science has shown that climate changes are a totally
> natural event that have happened constantly in the recorded (in rock and
> ice) history of the planet.

The earth will be here long after the human population has gone extinct.
Recorded history amounts to nothing compared to the overall age of this
dirtball.

> I believe there is something to the theory of the "greenhouse effect" but I
> do not believe it is anywhere as serious as the wacko environmentalists
> would want you to believe. I personally believe they would garner more
> support if they offered the truth instead of exaggeration.

Yep. They think too short term without taking into account the geological
record. But then

> It is interesting to note that when Al Gore's advisor on global warming
> admitted that some of his original conclusions were based on improper
> assumptions that no change was made in Gore's environmental platform.

Yes, I thought that was interesting as well.

> <sigh> Perhaps I am a Neanderthal. My last 6 vehicles have been sports cars
> or SUVs.... I wanted them, I could afford them, so I bought them....

Same here, but I got rid of a 9mpg smog bomb of a truck and got the ZJ.

> Perhaps my next jeep will be powered by a hydrogen fuel cell. When I was in
> college we were taught that a vehicle that expelled only water and carbon
> dioxide was non-polluting....

If there are enough plants, that's true.

I have my 10 speed bike. Unfortunately with this weather the indoor
pollution when I get to work makes it more of an environmental hazard
than the ZJ.

--
DougW

 

Billy Ray did pass the time by typing:
> Thanks for the link Doug. I like the sound of that Usenet group based on
> the description at http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.07/alt.pave.html
>
> In actuality there are more trees in north America now than there were in
> 1900. This is because the lumber companies almost a century ago started
> planting more trees than they cut down.

True, but they mostly plant quick growth pine, not slow growth. Which is a
bit misleading.

> I am not really as hard line as I sound sometimes.... although my brother
> tells everyone I think that Richard Nixon was a liberal.....

He wasn't? With the laws at least. :)

> I was very testy with Stephen in an earlier post. It must be the hot and
> humid weather. Note: science has shown that climate changes are a totally
> natural event that have happened constantly in the recorded (in rock and
> ice) history of the planet.

The earth will be here long after the human population has gone extinct.
Recorded history amounts to nothing compared to the overall age of this
dirtball.

> I believe there is something to the theory of the "greenhouse effect" but I
> do not believe it is anywhere as serious as the wacko environmentalists
> would want you to believe. I personally believe they would garner more
> support if they offered the truth instead of exaggeration.

Yep. They think too short term without taking into account the geological
record. But then

> It is interesting to note that when Al Gore's advisor on global warming
> admitted that some of his original conclusions were based on improper
> assumptions that no change was made in Gore's environmental platform.

Yes, I thought that was interesting as well.

> <sigh> Perhaps I am a Neanderthal. My last 6 vehicles have been sports cars
> or SUVs.... I wanted them, I could afford them, so I bought them....

Same here, but I got rid of a 9mpg smog bomb of a truck and got the ZJ.

> Perhaps my next jeep will be powered by a hydrogen fuel cell. When I was in
> college we were taught that a vehicle that expelled only water and carbon
> dioxide was non-polluting....

If there are enough plants, that's true.

I have my 10 speed bike. Unfortunately with this weather the indoor
pollution when I get to work makes it more of an environmental hazard
than the ZJ.

--
DougW

 

>> In actuality there are more trees in north America now than there were in
>> 1900. This is because the lumber companies almost a century ago started
>> planting more trees than they cut down.
>
> True, but they mostly plant quick growth pine, not slow growth. Which is a
> bit misleading.

I am, in actuality, a supporter of conservation. I live in a small village
that is in the center of the largest park in the area. The village fathers
early in the century set it up so no additional "development" could take
place.

>
>> I am not really as hard line as I sound sometimes.... although my brother
>> tells everyone I think that Richard Nixon was a liberal.....
>
> He wasn't? With the laws at least. :)

I don't think anyone envisioned the inmates taking control of the asylum
when the EPA was set up.

>
>> I was very testy with Stephen in an earlier post. It must be the hot and
>> humid weather. Note: science has shown that climate changes are a
>> totally
>> natural event that have happened constantly in the recorded (in rock and
>> ice) history of the planet.
>
> The earth will be here long after the human population has gone extinct.
> Recorded history amounts to nothing compared to the overall age of this
> dirtball.

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people that think we have the
ability to destroy the planet even if we tried. We may well wipe ourselves
out but the earth will continue, and heal itself.


>> I believe there is something to the theory of the "greenhouse effect" but
>> I
>> do not believe it is anywhere as serious as the wacko environmentalists
>> would want you to believe. I personally believe they would garner more
>> support if they offered the truth instead of exaggeration.
>
> Yep. They think too short term without taking into account the geological
> record. But then
>
>> It is interesting to note that when Al Gore's advisor on global warming
>> admitted that some of his original conclusions were based on improper
>> assumptions that no change was made in Gore's environmental platform.
>
> Yes, I thought that was interesting as well.
>
>> <sigh> Perhaps I am a Neanderthal. My last 6 vehicles have been sports
>> cars
>> or SUVs.... I wanted them, I could afford them, so I bought them....
>
> Same here, but I got rid of a 9mpg smog bomb of a truck and got the ZJ.
>
>> Perhaps my next jeep will be powered by a hydrogen fuel cell. When I was
>> in
>> college we were taught that a vehicle that expelled only water and carbon
>> dioxide was non-polluting....
>
> If there are enough plants, that's true.
>
> I have my 10 speed bike. Unfortunately with this weather the indoor
> pollution when I get to work makes it more of an environmental hazard
> than the ZJ.

I occasionally will ride my bike around the relatively flat areas of the
park (about 45 minutes) but I wouldn't even consider it in this weather.

I used to be amused when the Greenpeace terrorists would put on a show at
the local school. They would tell the children about the evils of slash and
burn farming in south America and how many acres are rendered useless every
year. It took a while, and lots of photos, to convince my younger daughter
that the second you stop pushing back the jungle it comes roaring back.

It also seems interesting that we (the civilized world) have the audacity to
tell a 3rd world country that they cannot do the exact same thing we did
half a a century ago to improve our standard of living.

 

>> In actuality there are more trees in north America now than there were in
>> 1900. This is because the lumber companies almost a century ago started
>> planting more trees than they cut down.
>
> True, but they mostly plant quick growth pine, not slow growth. Which is a
> bit misleading.

I am, in actuality, a supporter of conservation. I live in a small village
that is in the center of the largest park in the area. The village fathers
early in the century set it up so no additional "development" could take
place.

>
>> I am not really as hard line as I sound sometimes.... although my brother
>> tells everyone I think that Richard Nixon was a liberal.....
>
> He wasn't? With the laws at least. :)

I don't think anyone envisioned the inmates taking control of the asylum
when the EPA was set up.

>
>> I was very testy with Stephen in an earlier post. It must be the hot and
>> humid weather. Note: science has shown that climate changes are a
>> totally
>> natural event that have happened constantly in the recorded (in rock and
>> ice) history of the planet.
>
> The earth will be here long after the human population has gone extinct.
> Recorded history amounts to nothing compared to the overall age of this
> dirtball.

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people that think we have the
ability to destroy the planet even if we tried. We may well wipe ourselves
out but the earth will continue, and heal itself.


>> I believe there is something to the theory of the "greenhouse effect" but
>> I
>> do not believe it is anywhere as serious as the wacko environmentalists
>> would want you to believe. I personally believe they would garner more
>> support if they offered the truth instead of exaggeration.
>
> Yep. They think too short term without taking into account the geological
> record. But then
>
>> It is interesting to note that when Al Gore's advisor on global warming
>> admitted that some of his original conclusions were based on improper
>> assumptions that no change was made in Gore's environmental platform.
>
> Yes, I thought that was interesting as well.
>
>> <sigh> Perhaps I am a Neanderthal. My last 6 vehicles have been sports
>> cars
>> or SUVs.... I wanted them, I could afford them, so I bought them....
>
> Same here, but I got rid of a 9mpg smog bomb of a truck and got the ZJ.
>
>> Perhaps my next jeep will be powered by a hydrogen fuel cell. When I was
>> in
>> college we were taught that a vehicle that expelled only water and carbon
>> dioxide was non-polluting....
>
> If there are enough plants, that's true.
>
> I have my 10 speed bike. Unfortunately with this weather the indoor
> pollution when I get to work makes it more of an environmental hazard
> than the ZJ.

I occasionally will ride my bike around the relatively flat areas of the
park (about 45 minutes) but I wouldn't even consider it in this weather.

I used to be amused when the Greenpeace terrorists would put on a show at
the local school. They would tell the children about the evils of slash and
burn farming in south America and how many acres are rendered useless every
year. It took a while, and lots of photos, to convince my younger daughter
that the second you stop pushing back the jungle it comes roaring back.

It also seems interesting that we (the civilized world) have the audacity to
tell a 3rd world country that they cannot do the exact same thing we did
half a a century ago to improve our standard of living.

 

>> In actuality there are more trees in north America now than there were in
>> 1900. This is because the lumber companies almost a century ago started
>> planting more trees than they cut down.
>
> True, but they mostly plant quick growth pine, not slow growth. Which is a
> bit misleading.

I am, in actuality, a supporter of conservation. I live in a small village
that is in the center of the largest park in the area. The village fathers
early in the century set it up so no additional "development" could take
place.

>
>> I am not really as hard line as I sound sometimes.... although my brother
>> tells everyone I think that Richard Nixon was a liberal.....
>
> He wasn't? With the laws at least. :)

I don't think anyone envisioned the inmates taking control of the asylum
when the EPA was set up.

>
>> I was very testy with Stephen in an earlier post. It must be the hot and
>> humid weather. Note: science has shown that climate changes are a
>> totally
>> natural event that have happened constantly in the recorded (in rock and
>> ice) history of the planet.
>
> The earth will be here long after the human population has gone extinct.
> Recorded history amounts to nothing compared to the overall age of this
> dirtball.

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people that think we have the
ability to destroy the planet even if we tried. We may well wipe ourselves
out but the earth will continue, and heal itself.


>> I believe there is something to the theory of the "greenhouse effect" but
>> I
>> do not believe it is anywhere as serious as the wacko environmentalists
>> would want you to believe. I personally believe they would garner more
>> support if they offered the truth instead of exaggeration.
>
> Yep. They think too short term without taking into account the geological
> record. But then
>
>> It is interesting to note that when Al Gore's advisor on global warming
>> admitted that some of his original conclusions were based on improper
>> assumptions that no change was made in Gore's environmental platform.
>
> Yes, I thought that was interesting as well.
>
>> <sigh> Perhaps I am a Neanderthal. My last 6 vehicles have been sports
>> cars
>> or SUVs.... I wanted them, I could afford them, so I bought them....
>
> Same here, but I got rid of a 9mpg smog bomb of a truck and got the ZJ.
>
>> Perhaps my next jeep will be powered by a hydrogen fuel cell. When I was
>> in
>> college we were taught that a vehicle that expelled only water and carbon
>> dioxide was non-polluting....
>
> If there are enough plants, that's true.
>
> I have my 10 speed bike. Unfortunately with this weather the indoor
> pollution when I get to work makes it more of an environmental hazard
> than the ZJ.

I occasionally will ride my bike around the relatively flat areas of the
park (about 45 minutes) but I wouldn't even consider it in this weather.

I used to be amused when the Greenpeace terrorists would put on a show at
the local school. They would tell the children about the evils of slash and
burn farming in south America and how many acres are rendered useless every
year. It took a while, and lots of photos, to convince my younger daughter
that the second you stop pushing back the jungle it comes roaring back.

It also seems interesting that we (the civilized world) have the audacity to
tell a 3rd world country that they cannot do the exact same thing we did
half a a century ago to improve our standard of living.

 

>> In actuality there are more trees in north America now than there were in
>> 1900. This is because the lumber companies almost a century ago started
>> planting more trees than they cut down.
>
> True, but they mostly plant quick growth pine, not slow growth. Which is a
> bit misleading.

I am, in actuality, a supporter of conservation. I live in a small village
that is in the center of the largest park in the area. The village fathers
early in the century set it up so no additional "development" could take
place.

>
>> I am not really as hard line as I sound sometimes.... although my brother
>> tells everyone I think that Richard Nixon was a liberal.....
>
> He wasn't? With the laws at least. :)

I don't think anyone envisioned the inmates taking control of the asylum
when the EPA was set up.

>
>> I was very testy with Stephen in an earlier post. It must be the hot and
>> humid weather. Note: science has shown that climate changes are a
>> totally
>> natural event that have happened constantly in the recorded (in rock and
>> ice) history of the planet.
>
> The earth will be here long after the human population has gone extinct.
> Recorded history amounts to nothing compared to the overall age of this
> dirtball.

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people that think we have the
ability to destroy the planet even if we tried. We may well wipe ourselves
out but the earth will continue, and heal itself.


>> I believe there is something to the theory of the "greenhouse effect" but
>> I
>> do not believe it is anywhere as serious as the wacko environmentalists
>> would want you to believe. I personally believe they would garner more
>> support if they offered the truth instead of exaggeration.
>
> Yep. They think too short term without taking into account the geological
> record. But then
>
>> It is interesting to note that when Al Gore's advisor on global warming
>> admitted that some of his original conclusions were based on improper
>> assumptions that no change was made in Gore's environmental platform.
>
> Yes, I thought that was interesting as well.
>
>> <sigh> Perhaps I am a Neanderthal. My last 6 vehicles have been sports
>> cars
>> or SUVs.... I wanted them, I could afford them, so I bought them....
>
> Same here, but I got rid of a 9mpg smog bomb of a truck and got the ZJ.
>
>> Perhaps my next jeep will be powered by a hydrogen fuel cell. When I was
>> in
>> college we were taught that a vehicle that expelled only water and carbon
>> dioxide was non-polluting....
>
> If there are enough plants, that's true.
>
> I have my 10 speed bike. Unfortunately with this weather the indoor
> pollution when I get to work makes it more of an environmental hazard
> than the ZJ.

I occasionally will ride my bike around the relatively flat areas of the
park (about 45 minutes) but I wouldn't even consider it in this weather.

I used to be amused when the Greenpeace terrorists would put on a show at
the local school. They would tell the children about the evils of slash and
burn farming in south America and how many acres are rendered useless every
year. It took a while, and lots of photos, to convince my younger daughter
that the second you stop pushing back the jungle it comes roaring back.

It also seems interesting that we (the civilized world) have the audacity to
tell a 3rd world country that they cannot do the exact same thing we did
half a a century ago to improve our standard of living.

 

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:42C318EA.328F04EF@***.net...
> You still haven't made the connection between Chlorofluorocarbons
> and the ozone, like how does heavier than air rise to that height?

Is there Argon up there? Did you read (and understand) about Diffusion?

> Except by some bleeding heart liberal theory designed solely to suck
> government grant's tax payer money.

And this allows you to turn off your brain... easy, isn't it?

> Even the common layman can see it
> has no bases in fact!

You mean, like you? And the 'common layman'
should set scientific policy? (Shudder!)....

> It is pure unadulterated bullsh*t! And you're a
> loser if can be lead by false statements!

A certain song from Wizard of Oz comes
to mind... hum a few bars for us, Bill...
__
Steve
..