[jeep2diesel] Deisel Jeep Conversions
05-31-2004, 11:19 PM
#141
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Re: [jeep2diesel] Deisel Jeep Conversions
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I tow my Jeep everywhere, and I noticed my Bronco gets the same
> fuel mileage, with or with out it. So why don't you try your diesel?
> Remember that little Volkswagen pick up? <ROTFLMAO>
Do I remember it? How could I forget that obscene pile of rattling crap!
As a VW field service rep in the early '80's I was forced to drive those
%$#!ing things as company cars for an entire Texas summer because we
couldn't give 'em away. I'd put 1k miles on 'em, then blackmail an unlucky
dealer into buying it or I wouldn't approve their goodwill & warranty
claims. Then on to the next one. At one point we had a 300 days supply of
them sitting at the ports, totally sales-proof.
Most of 'em had no A/C, which was fortunate because they were so slow they
were a road hazard. I finally started twisting the mixture screw on the
injection pump as far in as I could, whereby I might be able to get the
thing to cruise at 63 mph (speed limit was 55 back then.) The biggest joke
was the "fuel economy". The damn tings got about 38 MPG on the highway, a
gasoline 5 speed Rabbit got around 35. Diesels, what a joke!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike wrote:
> >
> > Now why would I want todo a silly thing like that and get rid of the
diesels
> > main advantage over a gasoline engine, i.e. fuel efficiency?
05-31-2004, 11:22 PM
#142
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Re: [jeep2diesel] Deisel Jeep Conversions
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40BBB3AE.D110319@***.net...
> Diesel has retailed for more than regular gasoline since the
> eighties, here in California.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
This is the biggest joke where diesels are concerned. Diesel is basically
one step beyond kerosene, one of the first byproducts of the refining
process. It costs a fraction of what gasoline does to refine, and nothing
more to transport, etc. The oil companies saw a ripe opportunity to stuff it
up the keesters of consumers and long haul truckers and went for it. Boy,
some savings, huh?
news:40BBB3AE.D110319@***.net...
> Diesel has retailed for more than regular gasoline since the
> eighties, here in California.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
This is the biggest joke where diesels are concerned. Diesel is basically
one step beyond kerosene, one of the first byproducts of the refining
process. It costs a fraction of what gasoline does to refine, and nothing
more to transport, etc. The oil companies saw a ripe opportunity to stuff it
up the keesters of consumers and long haul truckers and went for it. Boy,
some savings, huh?
05-31-2004, 11:22 PM
#143
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Re: [jeep2diesel] Deisel Jeep Conversions
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40BBB3AE.D110319@***.net...
> Diesel has retailed for more than regular gasoline since the
> eighties, here in California.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
This is the biggest joke where diesels are concerned. Diesel is basically
one step beyond kerosene, one of the first byproducts of the refining
process. It costs a fraction of what gasoline does to refine, and nothing
more to transport, etc. The oil companies saw a ripe opportunity to stuff it
up the keesters of consumers and long haul truckers and went for it. Boy,
some savings, huh?
news:40BBB3AE.D110319@***.net...
> Diesel has retailed for more than regular gasoline since the
> eighties, here in California.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
This is the biggest joke where diesels are concerned. Diesel is basically
one step beyond kerosene, one of the first byproducts of the refining
process. It costs a fraction of what gasoline does to refine, and nothing
more to transport, etc. The oil companies saw a ripe opportunity to stuff it
up the keesters of consumers and long haul truckers and went for it. Boy,
some savings, huh?
05-31-2004, 11:22 PM
#144
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Re: [jeep2diesel] Deisel Jeep Conversions
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40BBB3AE.D110319@***.net...
> Diesel has retailed for more than regular gasoline since the
> eighties, here in California.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
This is the biggest joke where diesels are concerned. Diesel is basically
one step beyond kerosene, one of the first byproducts of the refining
process. It costs a fraction of what gasoline does to refine, and nothing
more to transport, etc. The oil companies saw a ripe opportunity to stuff it
up the keesters of consumers and long haul truckers and went for it. Boy,
some savings, huh?
news:40BBB3AE.D110319@***.net...
> Diesel has retailed for more than regular gasoline since the
> eighties, here in California.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
This is the biggest joke where diesels are concerned. Diesel is basically
one step beyond kerosene, one of the first byproducts of the refining
process. It costs a fraction of what gasoline does to refine, and nothing
more to transport, etc. The oil companies saw a ripe opportunity to stuff it
up the keesters of consumers and long haul truckers and went for it. Boy,
some savings, huh?
05-31-2004, 11:22 PM
#145
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Re: [jeep2diesel] Deisel Jeep Conversions
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40BBB3AE.D110319@***.net...
> Diesel has retailed for more than regular gasoline since the
> eighties, here in California.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
This is the biggest joke where diesels are concerned. Diesel is basically
one step beyond kerosene, one of the first byproducts of the refining
process. It costs a fraction of what gasoline does to refine, and nothing
more to transport, etc. The oil companies saw a ripe opportunity to stuff it
up the keesters of consumers and long haul truckers and went for it. Boy,
some savings, huh?
news:40BBB3AE.D110319@***.net...
> Diesel has retailed for more than regular gasoline since the
> eighties, here in California.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
This is the biggest joke where diesels are concerned. Diesel is basically
one step beyond kerosene, one of the first byproducts of the refining
process. It costs a fraction of what gasoline does to refine, and nothing
more to transport, etc. The oil companies saw a ripe opportunity to stuff it
up the keesters of consumers and long haul truckers and went for it. Boy,
some savings, huh?
05-31-2004, 11:35 PM
#146
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Re: [jeep2diesel] Deisel Jeep Conversions
In message <40bb7cf7_1@nntp2.nac.net>, "Peter Puffer" wrote:
>In article <1kpmb0t3a2p3jqg1pk9579scd43f3ermkh@4ax.com>,
>bllsht <nospam@dot.net> wrote:
>>In message <40bb2509_2@nntp2.nac.net>, "Peter Parker" wrote:
>>
>>>In article <40BA6256.79512E9F@***.net>,
>>>L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi Dave,
>>>> Because the diesel won't get out of it's own way, if it's normally
>>>>aspirated. Put the same two grand into your TJ, for three hundred
>>>>horsepower, of course you don't have to, you already blow every diesel
>>>>into the weeds.
>>>
>>>Who cares. CJ, YJ, TJ, are boxes on wheels. They are not performance
>>>vehicles and this arguement is really silly.
>>
>>If you're saying folks who drive them don't want performance, you're being
>>really silly. I see a lot of complaints here about these vehicles with 4
>>cylinder engines being gutless, and many useless "mods" to make them better. A
>>diesel will be worse.
>
>Bull! The 4cyl is not gutless for 4 wheeling as so many have posted before.
Yeah, they're adequate for 4 wheeling, but most folks I know need to drive on
the highway to some extent to get to where they will 4 wheel. 4 cylinders and
diesels suck to drive "on road".
>Why all of a sudden a selective memory and now a need for speed to look like
>an *** in a built up CJ, YJ, TJ with huge tires going 80+ MPH on the highway?
No selective memory here. Most folks are sorry they bought a 4 cyl, and they
constantly come here to look for improvements.
>
>Just because this is a diesel thread?
>
>
>Hypocrite!!!!!
I think not. They've always sucked, and I've always said so.
>In article <1kpmb0t3a2p3jqg1pk9579scd43f3ermkh@4ax.com>,
>bllsht <nospam@dot.net> wrote:
>>In message <40bb2509_2@nntp2.nac.net>, "Peter Parker" wrote:
>>
>>>In article <40BA6256.79512E9F@***.net>,
>>>L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi Dave,
>>>> Because the diesel won't get out of it's own way, if it's normally
>>>>aspirated. Put the same two grand into your TJ, for three hundred
>>>>horsepower, of course you don't have to, you already blow every diesel
>>>>into the weeds.
>>>
>>>Who cares. CJ, YJ, TJ, are boxes on wheels. They are not performance
>>>vehicles and this arguement is really silly.
>>
>>If you're saying folks who drive them don't want performance, you're being
>>really silly. I see a lot of complaints here about these vehicles with 4
>>cylinder engines being gutless, and many useless "mods" to make them better. A
>>diesel will be worse.
>
>Bull! The 4cyl is not gutless for 4 wheeling as so many have posted before.
Yeah, they're adequate for 4 wheeling, but most folks I know need to drive on
the highway to some extent to get to where they will 4 wheel. 4 cylinders and
diesels suck to drive "on road".
>Why all of a sudden a selective memory and now a need for speed to look like
>an *** in a built up CJ, YJ, TJ with huge tires going 80+ MPH on the highway?
No selective memory here. Most folks are sorry they bought a 4 cyl, and they
constantly come here to look for improvements.
>
>Just because this is a diesel thread?
>
>
>Hypocrite!!!!!
I think not. They've always sucked, and I've always said so.
05-31-2004, 11:35 PM
#147
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Re: [jeep2diesel] Deisel Jeep Conversions
In message <40bb7cf7_1@nntp2.nac.net>, "Peter Puffer" wrote:
>In article <1kpmb0t3a2p3jqg1pk9579scd43f3ermkh@4ax.com>,
>bllsht <nospam@dot.net> wrote:
>>In message <40bb2509_2@nntp2.nac.net>, "Peter Parker" wrote:
>>
>>>In article <40BA6256.79512E9F@***.net>,
>>>L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi Dave,
>>>> Because the diesel won't get out of it's own way, if it's normally
>>>>aspirated. Put the same two grand into your TJ, for three hundred
>>>>horsepower, of course you don't have to, you already blow every diesel
>>>>into the weeds.
>>>
>>>Who cares. CJ, YJ, TJ, are boxes on wheels. They are not performance
>>>vehicles and this arguement is really silly.
>>
>>If you're saying folks who drive them don't want performance, you're being
>>really silly. I see a lot of complaints here about these vehicles with 4
>>cylinder engines being gutless, and many useless "mods" to make them better. A
>>diesel will be worse.
>
>Bull! The 4cyl is not gutless for 4 wheeling as so many have posted before.
Yeah, they're adequate for 4 wheeling, but most folks I know need to drive on
the highway to some extent to get to where they will 4 wheel. 4 cylinders and
diesels suck to drive "on road".
>Why all of a sudden a selective memory and now a need for speed to look like
>an *** in a built up CJ, YJ, TJ with huge tires going 80+ MPH on the highway?
No selective memory here. Most folks are sorry they bought a 4 cyl, and they
constantly come here to look for improvements.
>
>Just because this is a diesel thread?
>
>
>Hypocrite!!!!!
I think not. They've always sucked, and I've always said so.
>In article <1kpmb0t3a2p3jqg1pk9579scd43f3ermkh@4ax.com>,
>bllsht <nospam@dot.net> wrote:
>>In message <40bb2509_2@nntp2.nac.net>, "Peter Parker" wrote:
>>
>>>In article <40BA6256.79512E9F@***.net>,
>>>L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi Dave,
>>>> Because the diesel won't get out of it's own way, if it's normally
>>>>aspirated. Put the same two grand into your TJ, for three hundred
>>>>horsepower, of course you don't have to, you already blow every diesel
>>>>into the weeds.
>>>
>>>Who cares. CJ, YJ, TJ, are boxes on wheels. They are not performance
>>>vehicles and this arguement is really silly.
>>
>>If you're saying folks who drive them don't want performance, you're being
>>really silly. I see a lot of complaints here about these vehicles with 4
>>cylinder engines being gutless, and many useless "mods" to make them better. A
>>diesel will be worse.
>
>Bull! The 4cyl is not gutless for 4 wheeling as so many have posted before.
Yeah, they're adequate for 4 wheeling, but most folks I know need to drive on
the highway to some extent to get to where they will 4 wheel. 4 cylinders and
diesels suck to drive "on road".
>Why all of a sudden a selective memory and now a need for speed to look like
>an *** in a built up CJ, YJ, TJ with huge tires going 80+ MPH on the highway?
No selective memory here. Most folks are sorry they bought a 4 cyl, and they
constantly come here to look for improvements.
>
>Just because this is a diesel thread?
>
>
>Hypocrite!!!!!
I think not. They've always sucked, and I've always said so.
05-31-2004, 11:35 PM
#148
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Re: [jeep2diesel] Deisel Jeep Conversions
In message <40bb7cf7_1@nntp2.nac.net>, "Peter Puffer" wrote:
>In article <1kpmb0t3a2p3jqg1pk9579scd43f3ermkh@4ax.com>,
>bllsht <nospam@dot.net> wrote:
>>In message <40bb2509_2@nntp2.nac.net>, "Peter Parker" wrote:
>>
>>>In article <40BA6256.79512E9F@***.net>,
>>>L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi Dave,
>>>> Because the diesel won't get out of it's own way, if it's normally
>>>>aspirated. Put the same two grand into your TJ, for three hundred
>>>>horsepower, of course you don't have to, you already blow every diesel
>>>>into the weeds.
>>>
>>>Who cares. CJ, YJ, TJ, are boxes on wheels. They are not performance
>>>vehicles and this arguement is really silly.
>>
>>If you're saying folks who drive them don't want performance, you're being
>>really silly. I see a lot of complaints here about these vehicles with 4
>>cylinder engines being gutless, and many useless "mods" to make them better. A
>>diesel will be worse.
>
>Bull! The 4cyl is not gutless for 4 wheeling as so many have posted before.
Yeah, they're adequate for 4 wheeling, but most folks I know need to drive on
the highway to some extent to get to where they will 4 wheel. 4 cylinders and
diesels suck to drive "on road".
>Why all of a sudden a selective memory and now a need for speed to look like
>an *** in a built up CJ, YJ, TJ with huge tires going 80+ MPH on the highway?
No selective memory here. Most folks are sorry they bought a 4 cyl, and they
constantly come here to look for improvements.
>
>Just because this is a diesel thread?
>
>
>Hypocrite!!!!!
I think not. They've always sucked, and I've always said so.
>In article <1kpmb0t3a2p3jqg1pk9579scd43f3ermkh@4ax.com>,
>bllsht <nospam@dot.net> wrote:
>>In message <40bb2509_2@nntp2.nac.net>, "Peter Parker" wrote:
>>
>>>In article <40BA6256.79512E9F@***.net>,
>>>L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi Dave,
>>>> Because the diesel won't get out of it's own way, if it's normally
>>>>aspirated. Put the same two grand into your TJ, for three hundred
>>>>horsepower, of course you don't have to, you already blow every diesel
>>>>into the weeds.
>>>
>>>Who cares. CJ, YJ, TJ, are boxes on wheels. They are not performance
>>>vehicles and this arguement is really silly.
>>
>>If you're saying folks who drive them don't want performance, you're being
>>really silly. I see a lot of complaints here about these vehicles with 4
>>cylinder engines being gutless, and many useless "mods" to make them better. A
>>diesel will be worse.
>
>Bull! The 4cyl is not gutless for 4 wheeling as so many have posted before.
Yeah, they're adequate for 4 wheeling, but most folks I know need to drive on
the highway to some extent to get to where they will 4 wheel. 4 cylinders and
diesels suck to drive "on road".
>Why all of a sudden a selective memory and now a need for speed to look like
>an *** in a built up CJ, YJ, TJ with huge tires going 80+ MPH on the highway?
No selective memory here. Most folks are sorry they bought a 4 cyl, and they
constantly come here to look for improvements.
>
>Just because this is a diesel thread?
>
>
>Hypocrite!!!!!
I think not. They've always sucked, and I've always said so.
05-31-2004, 11:35 PM
#149
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Re: [jeep2diesel] Deisel Jeep Conversions
In message <40bb7cf7_1@nntp2.nac.net>, "Peter Puffer" wrote:
>In article <1kpmb0t3a2p3jqg1pk9579scd43f3ermkh@4ax.com>,
>bllsht <nospam@dot.net> wrote:
>>In message <40bb2509_2@nntp2.nac.net>, "Peter Parker" wrote:
>>
>>>In article <40BA6256.79512E9F@***.net>,
>>>L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi Dave,
>>>> Because the diesel won't get out of it's own way, if it's normally
>>>>aspirated. Put the same two grand into your TJ, for three hundred
>>>>horsepower, of course you don't have to, you already blow every diesel
>>>>into the weeds.
>>>
>>>Who cares. CJ, YJ, TJ, are boxes on wheels. They are not performance
>>>vehicles and this arguement is really silly.
>>
>>If you're saying folks who drive them don't want performance, you're being
>>really silly. I see a lot of complaints here about these vehicles with 4
>>cylinder engines being gutless, and many useless "mods" to make them better. A
>>diesel will be worse.
>
>Bull! The 4cyl is not gutless for 4 wheeling as so many have posted before.
Yeah, they're adequate for 4 wheeling, but most folks I know need to drive on
the highway to some extent to get to where they will 4 wheel. 4 cylinders and
diesels suck to drive "on road".
>Why all of a sudden a selective memory and now a need for speed to look like
>an *** in a built up CJ, YJ, TJ with huge tires going 80+ MPH on the highway?
No selective memory here. Most folks are sorry they bought a 4 cyl, and they
constantly come here to look for improvements.
>
>Just because this is a diesel thread?
>
>
>Hypocrite!!!!!
I think not. They've always sucked, and I've always said so.
>In article <1kpmb0t3a2p3jqg1pk9579scd43f3ermkh@4ax.com>,
>bllsht <nospam@dot.net> wrote:
>>In message <40bb2509_2@nntp2.nac.net>, "Peter Parker" wrote:
>>
>>>In article <40BA6256.79512E9F@***.net>,
>>>L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi Dave,
>>>> Because the diesel won't get out of it's own way, if it's normally
>>>>aspirated. Put the same two grand into your TJ, for three hundred
>>>>horsepower, of course you don't have to, you already blow every diesel
>>>>into the weeds.
>>>
>>>Who cares. CJ, YJ, TJ, are boxes on wheels. They are not performance
>>>vehicles and this arguement is really silly.
>>
>>If you're saying folks who drive them don't want performance, you're being
>>really silly. I see a lot of complaints here about these vehicles with 4
>>cylinder engines being gutless, and many useless "mods" to make them better. A
>>diesel will be worse.
>
>Bull! The 4cyl is not gutless for 4 wheeling as so many have posted before.
Yeah, they're adequate for 4 wheeling, but most folks I know need to drive on
the highway to some extent to get to where they will 4 wheel. 4 cylinders and
diesels suck to drive "on road".
>Why all of a sudden a selective memory and now a need for speed to look like
>an *** in a built up CJ, YJ, TJ with huge tires going 80+ MPH on the highway?
No selective memory here. Most folks are sorry they bought a 4 cyl, and they
constantly come here to look for improvements.
>
>Just because this is a diesel thread?
>
>
>Hypocrite!!!!!
I think not. They've always sucked, and I've always said so.
05-31-2004, 11:40 PM
#150
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Re: [jeep2diesel] Deisel Jeep Conversions
The Mercedes-Benz E-Class sedan is too dirty to be sold in
California, New York, Vermont, Massachusetts and Maine, where emissions
standards are the strictest:
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/specia...8/article.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"F. Robert Falbo" wrote:
>
> Try reading Road & Track, June'04, pg43 - Test of the Benz E320 CDI.
> (Unless you prefer to remain a Luddite)
>
> -bob- (13 years of turboDiesel ownership)
California, New York, Vermont, Massachusetts and Maine, where emissions
standards are the strictest:
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/specia...8/article.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"F. Robert Falbo" wrote:
>
> Try reading Road & Track, June'04, pg43 - Test of the Benz E320 CDI.
> (Unless you prefer to remain a Luddite)
>
> -bob- (13 years of turboDiesel ownership)