zj broken key lock
09-05-2006, 06:14 PM
#21
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Re: zj broken key lock (or possibly ignition switch)
Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
Snow...
Curtis wrote:
> Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
> method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
> it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
> starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>
>
>
> Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> > transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> > start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>
>
>
> Lon wrote:
> > Curtis proclaimed:
> >
> > > key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
> > > selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
> > >
> >
> > If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
> > and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
> > the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
> > time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
> > the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
> > market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
> > positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
> > and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
> > to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
> >
> > Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> > transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> > start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
Snow...
Curtis wrote:
> Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
> method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
> it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
> starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>
>
>
> Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> > transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> > start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>
>
>
> Lon wrote:
> > Curtis proclaimed:
> >
> > > key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
> > > selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
> > >
> >
> > If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
> > and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
> > the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
> > time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
> > the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
> > market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
> > positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
> > and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
> > to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
> >
> > Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> > transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> > start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
09-05-2006, 06:14 PM
#22
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Re: zj broken key lock (or possibly ignition switch)
Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
Snow...
Curtis wrote:
> Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
> method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
> it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
> starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>
>
>
> Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> > transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> > start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>
>
>
> Lon wrote:
> > Curtis proclaimed:
> >
> > > key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
> > > selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
> > >
> >
> > If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
> > and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
> > the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
> > time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
> > the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
> > market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
> > positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
> > and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
> > to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
> >
> > Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> > transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> > start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
Snow...
Curtis wrote:
> Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
> method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
> it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
> starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>
>
>
> Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> > transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> > start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>
>
>
> Lon wrote:
> > Curtis proclaimed:
> >
> > > key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
> > > selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
> > >
> >
> > If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
> > and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
> > the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
> > time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
> > the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
> > market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
> > positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
> > and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
> > to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
> >
> > Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> > transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> > start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
09-05-2006, 10:03 PM
#23
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Re: zj broken key lock (or possibly ignition switch)
Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
not, yell and will ident.
When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
park/neutral switch.
The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
Snow proclaimed:
> Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
> emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
> warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
> shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
>
> Snow...
>
>
> Curtis wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
>>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
>>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
>>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>>
>>
>>
>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>>
>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>>
>>
>>
>>Lon wrote:
>>
>>>Curtis proclaimed:
>>>
>>>
>>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
>>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
>>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
>>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
>>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
>>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
>>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
>>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
>>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
>>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
>>>
>>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>
>
Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
not, yell and will ident.
When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
park/neutral switch.
The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
Snow proclaimed:
> Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
> emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
> warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
> shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
>
> Snow...
>
>
> Curtis wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
>>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
>>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
>>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>>
>>
>>
>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>>
>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>>
>>
>>
>>Lon wrote:
>>
>>>Curtis proclaimed:
>>>
>>>
>>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
>>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
>>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
>>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
>>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
>>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
>>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
>>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
>>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
>>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
>>>
>>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>
>
09-05-2006, 10:03 PM
#24
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Posts: n/a
Re: zj broken key lock (or possibly ignition switch)
Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
not, yell and will ident.
When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
park/neutral switch.
The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
Snow proclaimed:
> Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
> emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
> warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
> shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
>
> Snow...
>
>
> Curtis wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
>>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
>>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
>>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>>
>>
>>
>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>>
>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>>
>>
>>
>>Lon wrote:
>>
>>>Curtis proclaimed:
>>>
>>>
>>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
>>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
>>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
>>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
>>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
>>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
>>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
>>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
>>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
>>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
>>>
>>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>
>
Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
not, yell and will ident.
When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
park/neutral switch.
The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
Snow proclaimed:
> Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
> emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
> warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
> shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
>
> Snow...
>
>
> Curtis wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
>>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
>>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
>>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>>
>>
>>
>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>>
>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>>
>>
>>
>>Lon wrote:
>>
>>>Curtis proclaimed:
>>>
>>>
>>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
>>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
>>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
>>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
>>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
>>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
>>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
>>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
>>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
>>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
>>>
>>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>
>
09-05-2006, 10:03 PM
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: zj broken key lock (or possibly ignition switch)
Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
not, yell and will ident.
When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
park/neutral switch.
The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
Snow proclaimed:
> Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
> emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
> warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
> shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
>
> Snow...
>
>
> Curtis wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
>>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
>>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
>>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>>
>>
>>
>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>>
>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>>
>>
>>
>>Lon wrote:
>>
>>>Curtis proclaimed:
>>>
>>>
>>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
>>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
>>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
>>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
>>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
>>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
>>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
>>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
>>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
>>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
>>>
>>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>
>
Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
not, yell and will ident.
When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
park/neutral switch.
The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
Snow proclaimed:
> Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
> emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
> warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
> shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
>
> Snow...
>
>
> Curtis wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
>>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
>>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
>>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>>
>>
>>
>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>>
>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>>
>>
>>
>>Lon wrote:
>>
>>>Curtis proclaimed:
>>>
>>>
>>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
>>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
>>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
>>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
>>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
>>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
>>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
>>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
>>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
>>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
>>>
>>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>
>
09-05-2006, 11:52 PM
#26
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Posts: n/a
Re: zj broken key lock (or possibly ignition switch)
Removed the ignition switch and key cylinder - turns out a small piece
of metal has broken off at then end of of key cylinder - where it meets
the ignition switch. I think that accounts for the empty feeling when
turning the key...
Looks like I'm getting a set of new keys.....
Better tend to that transmission switch as well...thanks for all the
info.
Lon wrote:
> Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
>
> Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
> not, yell and will ident.
>
> When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
> 86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
> thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
>
> There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
> connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
> can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
> thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
> park/neutral switch.
>
> The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
> lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
>
> If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
> pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
> down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
> temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
>
> Snow proclaimed:
> > Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
> > emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> > nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> > connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
> > warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> > can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
> > shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> >
> > Curtis wrote:
> >
> >>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
> >>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
> >>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
> >>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>
> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Lon wrote:
> >>
> >>>Curtis proclaimed:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
> >>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
> >>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
> >>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
> >>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
> >>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
> >>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
> >>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
> >>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
> >>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
> >>>
> >>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >
> >
of metal has broken off at then end of of key cylinder - where it meets
the ignition switch. I think that accounts for the empty feeling when
turning the key...
Looks like I'm getting a set of new keys.....
Better tend to that transmission switch as well...thanks for all the
info.
Lon wrote:
> Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
>
> Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
> not, yell and will ident.
>
> When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
> 86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
> thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
>
> There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
> connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
> can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
> thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
> park/neutral switch.
>
> The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
> lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
>
> If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
> pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
> down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
> temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
>
> Snow proclaimed:
> > Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
> > emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> > nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> > connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
> > warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> > can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
> > shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> >
> > Curtis wrote:
> >
> >>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
> >>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
> >>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
> >>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>
> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Lon wrote:
> >>
> >>>Curtis proclaimed:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
> >>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
> >>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
> >>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
> >>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
> >>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
> >>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
> >>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
> >>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
> >>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
> >>>
> >>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >
> >
09-05-2006, 11:52 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: zj broken key lock (or possibly ignition switch)
Removed the ignition switch and key cylinder - turns out a small piece
of metal has broken off at then end of of key cylinder - where it meets
the ignition switch. I think that accounts for the empty feeling when
turning the key...
Looks like I'm getting a set of new keys.....
Better tend to that transmission switch as well...thanks for all the
info.
Lon wrote:
> Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
>
> Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
> not, yell and will ident.
>
> When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
> 86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
> thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
>
> There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
> connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
> can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
> thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
> park/neutral switch.
>
> The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
> lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
>
> If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
> pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
> down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
> temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
>
> Snow proclaimed:
> > Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
> > emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> > nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> > connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
> > warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> > can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
> > shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> >
> > Curtis wrote:
> >
> >>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
> >>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
> >>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
> >>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>
> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Lon wrote:
> >>
> >>>Curtis proclaimed:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
> >>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
> >>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
> >>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
> >>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
> >>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
> >>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
> >>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
> >>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
> >>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
> >>>
> >>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >
> >
of metal has broken off at then end of of key cylinder - where it meets
the ignition switch. I think that accounts for the empty feeling when
turning the key...
Looks like I'm getting a set of new keys.....
Better tend to that transmission switch as well...thanks for all the
info.
Lon wrote:
> Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
>
> Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
> not, yell and will ident.
>
> When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
> 86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
> thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
>
> There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
> connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
> can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
> thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
> park/neutral switch.
>
> The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
> lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
>
> If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
> pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
> down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
> temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
>
> Snow proclaimed:
> > Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
> > emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> > nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> > connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
> > warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> > can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
> > shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> >
> > Curtis wrote:
> >
> >>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
> >>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
> >>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
> >>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>
> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Lon wrote:
> >>
> >>>Curtis proclaimed:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
> >>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
> >>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
> >>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
> >>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
> >>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
> >>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
> >>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
> >>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
> >>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
> >>>
> >>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >
> >
09-05-2006, 11:52 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: zj broken key lock (or possibly ignition switch)
Removed the ignition switch and key cylinder - turns out a small piece
of metal has broken off at then end of of key cylinder - where it meets
the ignition switch. I think that accounts for the empty feeling when
turning the key...
Looks like I'm getting a set of new keys.....
Better tend to that transmission switch as well...thanks for all the
info.
Lon wrote:
> Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
>
> Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
> not, yell and will ident.
>
> When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
> 86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
> thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
>
> There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
> connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
> can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
> thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
> park/neutral switch.
>
> The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
> lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
>
> If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
> pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
> down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
> temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
>
> Snow proclaimed:
> > Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
> > emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> > nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> > connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
> > warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> > can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
> > shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> >
> > Curtis wrote:
> >
> >>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
> >>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
> >>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
> >>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>
> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Lon wrote:
> >>
> >>>Curtis proclaimed:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
> >>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
> >>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
> >>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
> >>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
> >>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
> >>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
> >>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
> >>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
> >>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
> >>>
> >>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >
> >
of metal has broken off at then end of of key cylinder - where it meets
the ignition switch. I think that accounts for the empty feeling when
turning the key...
Looks like I'm getting a set of new keys.....
Better tend to that transmission switch as well...thanks for all the
info.
Lon wrote:
> Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
>
> Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
> not, yell and will ident.
>
> When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
> 86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
> thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
>
> There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
> connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
> can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
> thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
> park/neutral switch.
>
> The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
> lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
>
> If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
> pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
> down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
> temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
>
> Snow proclaimed:
> > Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
> > emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> > nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> > connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
> > warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> > can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
> > shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> >
> > Curtis wrote:
> >
> >>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
> >>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
> >>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
> >>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>
> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Lon wrote:
> >>
> >>>Curtis proclaimed:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver at
> >>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
> >>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
> >>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new. The
> >>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
> >>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
> >>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
> >>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one out
> >>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a dealer
> >>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
> >>>
> >>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >
> >
09-06-2006, 12:24 AM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: zj broken key lock (or possibly ignition switch)
Your corner locksmith can re-key a new cylinder to your old key.
"Curtis" <cchandler63@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157514774.716648.318810@d34g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> Removed the ignition switch and key cylinder - turns out a small piece
> of metal has broken off at then end of of key cylinder - where it meets
> the ignition switch. I think that accounts for the empty feeling when
> turning the key...
>
> Looks like I'm getting a set of new keys.....
>
> Better tend to that transmission switch as well...thanks for all the
> info.
>
>
> Lon wrote:
>> Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
>>
>> Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
>> not, yell and will ident.
>>
>> When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
>> 86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
>> thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
>>
>> There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
>> connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
>> can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
>> thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
>> park/neutral switch.
>>
>> The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
>> lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
>>
>> If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
>> pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
>> down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
>> temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
>>
>> Snow proclaimed:
>> > Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
>> > emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
>> > nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
>> > connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
>> > warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
>> > can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
>> > shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
>> >
>> > Snow...
>> >
>> >
>> > Curtis wrote:
>> >
>> >>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
>> >>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
>> >>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
>> >>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>> >>
>> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Lon wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Curtis proclaimed:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver
>> >>>>at
>> >>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
>> >>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
>> >>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new.
>> >>>The
>> >>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
>> >>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
>> >>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
>> >>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one
>> >>>out
>> >>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a
>> >>>dealer
>> >>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
>> >>>
>> >>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>> >
>> >
>
"Curtis" <cchandler63@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157514774.716648.318810@d34g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> Removed the ignition switch and key cylinder - turns out a small piece
> of metal has broken off at then end of of key cylinder - where it meets
> the ignition switch. I think that accounts for the empty feeling when
> turning the key...
>
> Looks like I'm getting a set of new keys.....
>
> Better tend to that transmission switch as well...thanks for all the
> info.
>
>
> Lon wrote:
>> Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
>>
>> Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
>> not, yell and will ident.
>>
>> When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
>> 86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
>> thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
>>
>> There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
>> connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
>> can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
>> thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
>> park/neutral switch.
>>
>> The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
>> lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
>>
>> If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
>> pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
>> down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
>> temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
>>
>> Snow proclaimed:
>> > Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
>> > emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
>> > nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
>> > connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
>> > warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
>> > can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
>> > shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
>> >
>> > Snow...
>> >
>> >
>> > Curtis wrote:
>> >
>> >>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
>> >>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
>> >>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
>> >>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>> >>
>> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Lon wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Curtis proclaimed:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver
>> >>>>at
>> >>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
>> >>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
>> >>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new.
>> >>>The
>> >>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
>> >>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
>> >>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
>> >>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one
>> >>>out
>> >>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a
>> >>>dealer
>> >>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
>> >>>
>> >>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>> >
>> >
>
09-06-2006, 12:24 AM
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Re: zj broken key lock (or possibly ignition switch)
Your corner locksmith can re-key a new cylinder to your old key.
"Curtis" <cchandler63@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157514774.716648.318810@d34g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> Removed the ignition switch and key cylinder - turns out a small piece
> of metal has broken off at then end of of key cylinder - where it meets
> the ignition switch. I think that accounts for the empty feeling when
> turning the key...
>
> Looks like I'm getting a set of new keys.....
>
> Better tend to that transmission switch as well...thanks for all the
> info.
>
>
> Lon wrote:
>> Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
>>
>> Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
>> not, yell and will ident.
>>
>> When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
>> 86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
>> thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
>>
>> There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
>> connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
>> can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
>> thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
>> park/neutral switch.
>>
>> The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
>> lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
>>
>> If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
>> pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
>> down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
>> temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
>>
>> Snow proclaimed:
>> > Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
>> > emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
>> > nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
>> > connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
>> > warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
>> > can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
>> > shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
>> >
>> > Snow...
>> >
>> >
>> > Curtis wrote:
>> >
>> >>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
>> >>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
>> >>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
>> >>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>> >>
>> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Lon wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Curtis proclaimed:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver
>> >>>>at
>> >>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
>> >>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
>> >>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new.
>> >>>The
>> >>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
>> >>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
>> >>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
>> >>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one
>> >>>out
>> >>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a
>> >>>dealer
>> >>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
>> >>>
>> >>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>> >
>> >
>
"Curtis" <cchandler63@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157514774.716648.318810@d34g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> Removed the ignition switch and key cylinder - turns out a small piece
> of metal has broken off at then end of of key cylinder - where it meets
> the ignition switch. I think that accounts for the empty feeling when
> turning the key...
>
> Looks like I'm getting a set of new keys.....
>
> Better tend to that transmission switch as well...thanks for all the
> info.
>
>
> Lon wrote:
>> Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
>>
>> Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
>> not, yell and will ident.
>>
>> When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
>> 86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food chain
>> thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
>>
>> There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that is
>> connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and you
>> can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly down
>> thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper the
>> park/neutral switch.
>>
>> The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if the
>> lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
>>
>> If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
>> pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12 volts
>> down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered relay
>> temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
>>
>> Snow proclaimed:
>> > Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in an
>> > emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
>> > nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
>> > connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just be
>> > warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
>> > can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to the
>> > shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
>> >
>> > Snow...
>> >
>> >
>> > Curtis wrote:
>> >
>> >>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver starting
>> >>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look at
>> >>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in 10
>> >>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a relay.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>> >>
>> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Lon wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Curtis proclaimed:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with screwdriver
>> >>>>at
>> >>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz bits
>> >>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud off
>> >>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new.
>> >>>The
>> >>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've got
>> >>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
>> >>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
>> >>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one
>> >>>out
>> >>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a
>> >>>dealer
>> >>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
>> >>>
>> >>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
>> >>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
>> >>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
>> >
>> >
>
