Curtis

Well didn't take the cheapest route but we are up and running - I got a
new ignition switch and cylinder from a dealer and they set the tumbler
for my existing keys...oh yeah and I got some free grease...;)

The new cylinder has a different locking mechanism than my old one -
not sure if the two would be compatible...

thanks for all the info - If anyone is ever stuck in the same
situation a T20 tamper proof torx bit (long) will pretty much remove
all the pieces...

curtis


Lon wrote:
> Parts guys at a local dealer should be able to point you to such a
> locksmith and probably know rough cost, as in whether it is cheaper to
> have this done or just get new keys.
>
> Get some white lithium for when you put it all back together...
>
> billy ray proclaimed:
> > Well.... maybe I should rephrase that....
> >
> > A professional full service locksmith (not the guy at Home Depot or Lowes)
> > can re-key a new cylinder to your old key.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Curtis" <cchandler63@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1157560044.438116.177940@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> >>OK didn't know that....
> >>
> >>billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >>>Your corner locksmith can re-key a new cylinder to your old key.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Curtis" <cchandler63@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:1157514774.716648.318810@d34g2000cwd.googl egroups.com...
> >>>
> >>>>Removed the ignition switch and key cylinder - turns out a small piece
> >>>>of metal has broken off at then end of of key cylinder - where it meets
> >>>>the ignition switch. I think that accounts for the empty feeling when
> >>>>turning the key...
> >>>>
> >>>>Looks like I'm getting a set of new keys.....
> >>>>
> >>>>Better tend to that transmission switch as well...thanks for all the
> >>>>info.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Lon wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
> >>>>>not, yell and will ident.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
> >>>>>86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food
> >>>>>chain
> >>>>>thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that
> >>>>>is
> >>>>>connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and
> >>>>>you
> >>>>>can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly
> >>>>>down
> >>>>>thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>park/neutral switch.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
> >>>>>pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12
> >>>>>volts
> >>>>>down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered
> >>>>>relay
> >>>>>temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Snow proclaimed:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in
> >>>>>>an
> >>>>>>emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> >>>>>>nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> >>>>>>connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just
> >>>>>>be
> >>>>>>warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> >>>>>>can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Snow...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Curtis wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver
> >>>>>>>starting
> >>>>>>>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look
> >>>>>>>at
> >>>>>>>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in
> >>>>>>>10
> >>>>>>>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a
> >>>>>>>relay.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>>>>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Lon wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Curtis proclaimed:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with
> >>>>>>>>>screwdriver
> >>>>>>>>>at
> >>>>>>>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz
> >>>>>>>>bits
> >>>>>>>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud
> >>>>>>>>off
> >>>>>>>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new.
> >>>>>>>>The
> >>>>>>>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've
> >>>>>>>>got
> >>>>>>>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
> >>>>>>>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
> >>>>>>>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one
> >>>>>>>>out
> >>>>>>>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a
> >>>>>>>>dealer
> >>>>>>>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>>>>>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>>>>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >
> >

Curtis

Well didn't take the cheapest route but we are up and running - I got a
new ignition switch and cylinder from a dealer and they set the tumbler
for my existing keys...oh yeah and I got some free grease...;)

The new cylinder has a different locking mechanism than my old one -
not sure if the two would be compatible...

thanks for all the info - If anyone is ever stuck in the same
situation a T20 tamper proof torx bit (long) will pretty much remove
all the pieces...

curtis


Lon wrote:
> Parts guys at a local dealer should be able to point you to such a
> locksmith and probably know rough cost, as in whether it is cheaper to
> have this done or just get new keys.
>
> Get some white lithium for when you put it all back together...
>
> billy ray proclaimed:
> > Well.... maybe I should rephrase that....
> >
> > A professional full service locksmith (not the guy at Home Depot or Lowes)
> > can re-key a new cylinder to your old key.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Curtis" <cchandler63@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1157560044.438116.177940@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> >>OK didn't know that....
> >>
> >>billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >>>Your corner locksmith can re-key a new cylinder to your old key.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Curtis" <cchandler63@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:1157514774.716648.318810@d34g2000cwd.googl egroups.com...
> >>>
> >>>>Removed the ignition switch and key cylinder - turns out a small piece
> >>>>of metal has broken off at then end of of key cylinder - where it meets
> >>>>the ignition switch. I think that accounts for the empty feeling when
> >>>>turning the key...
> >>>>
> >>>>Looks like I'm getting a set of new keys.....
> >>>>
> >>>>Better tend to that transmission switch as well...thanks for all the
> >>>>info.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Lon wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
> >>>>>not, yell and will ident.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
> >>>>>86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food
> >>>>>chain
> >>>>>thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that
> >>>>>is
> >>>>>connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and
> >>>>>you
> >>>>>can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly
> >>>>>down
> >>>>>thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>park/neutral switch.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
> >>>>>pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12
> >>>>>volts
> >>>>>down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered
> >>>>>relay
> >>>>>temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Snow proclaimed:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in
> >>>>>>an
> >>>>>>emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> >>>>>>nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> >>>>>>connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just
> >>>>>>be
> >>>>>>warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> >>>>>>can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Snow...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Curtis wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver
> >>>>>>>starting
> >>>>>>>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look
> >>>>>>>at
> >>>>>>>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in
> >>>>>>>10
> >>>>>>>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a
> >>>>>>>relay.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>>>>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Lon wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Curtis proclaimed:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with
> >>>>>>>>>screwdriver
> >>>>>>>>>at
> >>>>>>>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz
> >>>>>>>>bits
> >>>>>>>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud
> >>>>>>>>off
> >>>>>>>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new.
> >>>>>>>>The
> >>>>>>>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've
> >>>>>>>>got
> >>>>>>>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
> >>>>>>>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
> >>>>>>>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one
> >>>>>>>>out
> >>>>>>>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a
> >>>>>>>>dealer
> >>>>>>>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>>>>>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>>>>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >
> >

Curtis

Well didn't take the cheapest route but we are up and running - I got a
new ignition switch and cylinder from a dealer and they set the tumbler
for my existing keys...oh yeah and I got some free grease...;)

The new cylinder has a different locking mechanism than my old one -
not sure if the two would be compatible...

thanks for all the info - If anyone is ever stuck in the same
situation a T20 tamper proof torx bit (long) will pretty much remove
all the pieces...

curtis


Lon wrote:
> Parts guys at a local dealer should be able to point you to such a
> locksmith and probably know rough cost, as in whether it is cheaper to
> have this done or just get new keys.
>
> Get some white lithium for when you put it all back together...
>
> billy ray proclaimed:
> > Well.... maybe I should rephrase that....
> >
> > A professional full service locksmith (not the guy at Home Depot or Lowes)
> > can re-key a new cylinder to your old key.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Curtis" <cchandler63@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1157560044.438116.177940@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> >>OK didn't know that....
> >>
> >>billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >>>Your corner locksmith can re-key a new cylinder to your old key.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Curtis" <cchandler63@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:1157514774.716648.318810@d34g2000cwd.googl egroups.com...
> >>>
> >>>>Removed the ignition switch and key cylinder - turns out a small piece
> >>>>of metal has broken off at then end of of key cylinder - where it meets
> >>>>the ignition switch. I think that accounts for the empty feeling when
> >>>>turning the key...
> >>>>
> >>>>Looks like I'm getting a set of new keys.....
> >>>>
> >>>>Better tend to that transmission switch as well...thanks for all the
> >>>>info.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Lon wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Get a cheap voltmeter and a friend, or some really long spade leads.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Pull the starter relay from the relay box. It should be labelled, if
> >>>>>not, yell and will ident.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>When you turn the ignition key on, you should see a good ground on pin
> >>>>>86 of the starter relay. If you don't, start backing up the food
> >>>>>chain
> >>>>>thru the transmission park/start relay to the ignition switch.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>There is a mechanical flag inside your ignition switch assembly that
> >>>>>is
> >>>>>connected to the transmission/park neutral, so if it feels funny and
> >>>>>you
> >>>>>can get it started by wiggling, it might be warn. If the assembly
> >>>>>down
> >>>>>thru the transmission is broken, personally I'd be tempted to jumper
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>park/neutral switch.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The new ignition switch asssembly uses your old lock cylinder, so if
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>lock cylinder is bad, you'd need new keys.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>If you pick up a spare relay, you can take the top off and just jumper
> >>>>>pin 30 [from the battery] to pin 87 [NOT 87A !] which will put 12
> >>>>>volts
> >>>>>down to the starter solenoid assembly as you stuff that butchered
> >>>>>relay
> >>>>>temporarily into the relay socket to get a start.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Snow proclaimed:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Not that I reccomend this or even suggest it be done other then in
> >>>>>>an
> >>>>>>emergency situation to get you home when your stuck in the middle of
> >>>>>>nowhere, but for trouble shooting procedures you can jumper the
> >>>>>>connection on the safety switch harness and see if it starts. Just
> >>>>>>be
> >>>>>>warned that while the connector is in this configuration the vehicle
> >>>>>>can start in any gear... even reverse. Every time I took my XJ to
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>shop I had to remind the guys that it would start in gear.... :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Snow...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Curtis wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Thanks for the tips guys - made it home with the screwdriver
> >>>>>>>starting
> >>>>>>>method. The switch just feels off to me so I'm going to take a look
> >>>>>>>at
> >>>>>>>it tonight - but yeah it could be a sensor as well - see about 1 in
> >>>>>>>10
> >>>>>>>starts I had to put it in neutral (auto) to start, so possibly a
> >>>>>>>relay.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>>>>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Lon wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Curtis proclaimed:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>key goes to on position no turn over. able to start with
> >>>>>>>>>screwdriver
> >>>>>>>>>at
> >>>>>>>>>selinoid. how bad is it? of course on vacation. thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>If you are sure that it is the key switch, get a good set of torz
> >>>>>>>>bits
> >>>>>>>>and replace it. You'll need a long handle torx to get the shroud
> >>>>>>>>off
> >>>>>>>>the steering wheel, then remove the old switch and put in the new.
> >>>>>>>>The
> >>>>>>>>time consumption will be getting the shroud off, then once you've
> >>>>>>>>got
> >>>>>>>>the new switch, getting the flag lined up. Haven't seen the after
> >>>>>>>>market manuals, the Factory Service Manual gives the tips on the
> >>>>>>>>positions you need to set the switch to in order to get the old one
> >>>>>>>>out
> >>>>>>>>and the new one in. Time consuming but not difficult, or get a
> >>>>>>>>dealer
> >>>>>>>>to do it, but be prepared for a labor charge.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Sure it is the switch? There is a chain of sensors from the
> >>>>>>>>transmission [auto], clutch [manual], thru the switch that inhibit
> >>>>>>>>start. Easy to jumper the start relay to find out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >
> >