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Re: Re: YJ front locker?
I have a CJ5 and a front locker. I keep the front hubs locked about 99% of
the time, and the ONLY time I notice the locker is when pulling into a parking space. The front end clangs and bangs around, but I can depress the clutch or shift into N, and the banging and clanging will stop. Your daughter's YJ will be fine. "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:8_udnRGlguR4wofbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's > solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it > continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture > whether it affects handling or not? > > Earle > > "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Sno, >> >> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it >> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone >> is >> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great. >> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can >> afford. >> >> Carl >> >> >> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message >> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com... >> > On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" >> > <----------@cox.net> wrote: >> > >> >>if want to see eyes light up >> >>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker: >> > >> > >> > This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and >> > try to drive and manuver it. >> > ----------------- >> > TheSnoMan.com >> >> > > |
Re: Re: YJ front locker?
I have a CJ5 and a front locker. I keep the front hubs locked about 99% of
the time, and the ONLY time I notice the locker is when pulling into a parking space. The front end clangs and bangs around, but I can depress the clutch or shift into N, and the banging and clanging will stop. Your daughter's YJ will be fine. "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:8_udnRGlguR4wofbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's > solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it > continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture > whether it affects handling or not? > > Earle > > "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Sno, >> >> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it >> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone >> is >> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great. >> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can >> afford. >> >> Carl >> >> >> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message >> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com... >> > On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" >> > <----------@cox.net> wrote: >> > >> >>if want to see eyes light up >> >>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker: >> > >> > >> > This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and >> > try to drive and manuver it. >> > ----------------- >> > TheSnoMan.com >> >> > > |
Re: Re: YJ front locker?
I have a CJ5 and a front locker. I keep the front hubs locked about 99% of
the time, and the ONLY time I notice the locker is when pulling into a parking space. The front end clangs and bangs around, but I can depress the clutch or shift into N, and the banging and clanging will stop. Your daughter's YJ will be fine. "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:8_udnRGlguR4wofbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's > solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it > continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture > whether it affects handling or not? > > Earle > > "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Sno, >> >> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it >> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone >> is >> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great. >> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can >> afford. >> >> Carl >> >> >> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message >> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com... >> > On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" >> > <----------@cox.net> wrote: >> > >> >>if want to see eyes light up >> >>as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker: >> > >> > >> > This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and >> > try to drive and manuver it. >> > ----------------- >> > TheSnoMan.com >> >> > > |
Re: Re: YJ front locker?
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:mm6j1314k4o42dlkaolmvbc4ev9v6mmfuk@4ax.com... > On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:39:59 -0700, "Carl S" > <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote: > >>Powertrax lockright is a great lunchbox locker, and >>cheap, too. > > And a very poor choice for a front drive axle. It can only drive both > ties at same speed or drive one wheel coasting the other under little > or no power. It will increase turning radius in 4x4 and it will send a > LOT or torque whip back through steering wheel in tight turns (because > Ujoint are not constant velocity). You want a selectable locker or a > True Trax gear based LSD up there (the True Trax plays well in front > drive axle and Oshkosh snow plow trucks have been using gear based LSD > for about 30 years now and there is nothing light duty about them) > ----------------- Some of what you say is true, and some is true but of no consequence. In 4WD, the turning radius is certainly larger. My CJ demands a 5-point turn where lesser-equipped vehicles can do a 3-point turn. I'll take the 5-point turn as a cost of increased traction. The torque steer problems you describe are of no consequence in my CJ. I do not live in the Snow Belt, and this clearly could play a role in my expereinces, but lacking snow I would dispute that torque steer is problematic. I have no torque steer problems in 4WD while offroading, but I am not able to address the affects in snow. I would not hesitate to put a LockRight or EZLocker into the front of a YJ or a TJ that lives in an environment similar to where I live. > TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Re: YJ front locker?
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:mm6j1314k4o42dlkaolmvbc4ev9v6mmfuk@4ax.com... > On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:39:59 -0700, "Carl S" > <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote: > >>Powertrax lockright is a great lunchbox locker, and >>cheap, too. > > And a very poor choice for a front drive axle. It can only drive both > ties at same speed or drive one wheel coasting the other under little > or no power. It will increase turning radius in 4x4 and it will send a > LOT or torque whip back through steering wheel in tight turns (because > Ujoint are not constant velocity). You want a selectable locker or a > True Trax gear based LSD up there (the True Trax plays well in front > drive axle and Oshkosh snow plow trucks have been using gear based LSD > for about 30 years now and there is nothing light duty about them) > ----------------- Some of what you say is true, and some is true but of no consequence. In 4WD, the turning radius is certainly larger. My CJ demands a 5-point turn where lesser-equipped vehicles can do a 3-point turn. I'll take the 5-point turn as a cost of increased traction. The torque steer problems you describe are of no consequence in my CJ. I do not live in the Snow Belt, and this clearly could play a role in my expereinces, but lacking snow I would dispute that torque steer is problematic. I have no torque steer problems in 4WD while offroading, but I am not able to address the affects in snow. I would not hesitate to put a LockRight or EZLocker into the front of a YJ or a TJ that lives in an environment similar to where I live. > TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Re: YJ front locker?
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:mm6j1314k4o42dlkaolmvbc4ev9v6mmfuk@4ax.com... > On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:39:59 -0700, "Carl S" > <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote: > >>Powertrax lockright is a great lunchbox locker, and >>cheap, too. > > And a very poor choice for a front drive axle. It can only drive both > ties at same speed or drive one wheel coasting the other under little > or no power. It will increase turning radius in 4x4 and it will send a > LOT or torque whip back through steering wheel in tight turns (because > Ujoint are not constant velocity). You want a selectable locker or a > True Trax gear based LSD up there (the True Trax plays well in front > drive axle and Oshkosh snow plow trucks have been using gear based LSD > for about 30 years now and there is nothing light duty about them) > ----------------- Some of what you say is true, and some is true but of no consequence. In 4WD, the turning radius is certainly larger. My CJ demands a 5-point turn where lesser-equipped vehicles can do a 3-point turn. I'll take the 5-point turn as a cost of increased traction. The torque steer problems you describe are of no consequence in my CJ. I do not live in the Snow Belt, and this clearly could play a role in my expereinces, but lacking snow I would dispute that torque steer is problematic. I have no torque steer problems in 4WD while offroading, but I am not able to address the affects in snow. I would not hesitate to put a LockRight or EZLocker into the front of a YJ or a TJ that lives in an environment similar to where I live. > TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Re: YJ front locker?
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:t7jk13pi65q3o5ufeevold9qbqglbjqe3c@4ax.com... > On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:46:44 GMT, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote: > >>And the OP's YJ has an axle disconnect that makes your comments >>irrelevant. > > > Typical troll again because when you use the front axle under power it > has to have wheels turn at a different speeds in a turn due to physics > involved and then there is the fact that Ujoints are not constant > velocity in a turn so they complicate this further and the net result > is nasty driveline bind and wheels having to skid in a turn and loose > traction and reduce truning radius. (not to mention strain of front > axles, joints and stub shafts) You would know this if you really knew > about the physics involved but your knowledge is very limited here and > push button 4x4 drive was made just for "people" like you. I tell it > like it is not like you want to believe it is. Listen and read > sometimes and you might just learn something. > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com You underestimate the depth and breadth of Roy's knowledge. Roy is more right than you are. |
Re: Re: YJ front locker?
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:t7jk13pi65q3o5ufeevold9qbqglbjqe3c@4ax.com... > On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:46:44 GMT, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote: > >>And the OP's YJ has an axle disconnect that makes your comments >>irrelevant. > > > Typical troll again because when you use the front axle under power it > has to have wheels turn at a different speeds in a turn due to physics > involved and then there is the fact that Ujoints are not constant > velocity in a turn so they complicate this further and the net result > is nasty driveline bind and wheels having to skid in a turn and loose > traction and reduce truning radius. (not to mention strain of front > axles, joints and stub shafts) You would know this if you really knew > about the physics involved but your knowledge is very limited here and > push button 4x4 drive was made just for "people" like you. I tell it > like it is not like you want to believe it is. Listen and read > sometimes and you might just learn something. > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com You underestimate the depth and breadth of Roy's knowledge. Roy is more right than you are. |
Re: Re: YJ front locker?
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message news:t7jk13pi65q3o5ufeevold9qbqglbjqe3c@4ax.com... > On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:46:44 GMT, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote: > >>And the OP's YJ has an axle disconnect that makes your comments >>irrelevant. > > > Typical troll again because when you use the front axle under power it > has to have wheels turn at a different speeds in a turn due to physics > involved and then there is the fact that Ujoints are not constant > velocity in a turn so they complicate this further and the net result > is nasty driveline bind and wheels having to skid in a turn and loose > traction and reduce truning radius. (not to mention strain of front > axles, joints and stub shafts) You would know this if you really knew > about the physics involved but your knowledge is very limited here and > push button 4x4 drive was made just for "people" like you. I tell it > like it is not like you want to believe it is. Listen and read > sometimes and you might just learn something. > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com You underestimate the depth and breadth of Roy's knowledge. Roy is more right than you are. |
Re: YJ front locker?
If I have my front hubs locked in my CJ7, it turns the driveshaft and
makes the steering feel 'slightly heavier' when in 2 wheel drive. In my case I have an open diff so I would only be spinning one axle side and the driveshaft which should feel 'exactly' the same as a YJ locked with the axle disconnected in the middle which would only spin one axle side and the driveshaft when in 2 wheel drive. At least the YJ owner wouldn't have to get out to lock her up, just pull the shifter which turns on the 'stock' vacuum motor which locks it up. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Earle Horton wrote: > No one answered my question about the front axle disconnect and the YJ's > solid hub. If you put a locker in front, does it free-wheel, or does it > continuously crank the drive shaft and front axle? Anyone care to venture > whether it affects handling or not? > > Earle > > "Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:4fudnUR2B7Rj0ofbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. .. >> Sno, >> >> I agree that the lunchbox is a poor choice for a front axle when it >> comes to the ability to turn the jeep while in 4x4. However, if someone is >> looking for a cheap way to get locked up in the front, it works great. >> Sometimes you must compromise to get a trail-capable machine that you can >> afford. >> >> Carl >> >> >> "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message >> news:rfdk1393c8f3711nemg3efv42d00sa7okb@4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:07:34 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" >>> <----------@cox.net> wrote: >>> >>>> if want to see eyes light up >>>> as you crawl passed them, go Lincoln Locker: >>> >>> This is the absolute poorest choice for a front axle. Just do that and >>> try to drive and manuver it. >>> ----------------- >>> TheSnoMan.com >> > > |
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