Nick N

No they were the older version. I also remember one time turning a corner
and hitting a wet spot on the cement. My back end flew around infront of
me, tires squeling. Again, I was SO not impressed by the at's... In the
snow, I had tried a combo of things. It was deep moist snow. I tried just
moving at idle, it tried gunning it..everything and they just didn't cut it.
As the tracker drove by, I noticed it's tires tread was clearing immediatly
after leaving the ground. Not sure what they were but it was more deep
verticle sipes than horizontal. Right now I have MT's and really like them
but don't yet have experience with them in snow or water.

Nick

"Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
news:3F26CDAE.4F392347@nospamsprunty.com...
> Were they the AT/KO (newer version)? Also, in many snow conditions you do
want them to pack),
> because rubber doesn't stick to snow. Snow sticks to snow. The sipes in
snow tires allow snow to
> pack them, sticking to the snow on the road as the tire comes around
again. What kind of tires was
> the Geo running?
>
> A neat experiment would be to roll a rubber ball down a snowy embankment
and see how much bigger it
> is at the bottom of the hill. Roll snow around and you can make a pretty
big ball of snow because
> the snow sticks to itself. I'd suspect you spun your tires trying to
clean them rather than only
> trying to allow the tires to turn slow enough to stick to the snow on the
roadway. Of course
> there's a hundred types of snow and they don't all call for the same
driving technique. If you're
> driving in deep snow, offroad, or powder I'd say the driving technique
would be drastically
> different, so would the need for a different tire.
>
> Of course no tire is the best at everything, and that's my point. In mud
the ATs pack up and are
> like racing slicks, so finding one tire to be the best on road and
offroad, in multiple offroad
> situations is pretty futile. But what tire would you suggest Nick? Maybe
I should look for it next
> time I buy tires.
>
> Nick N wrote:
> >
> > I took my BFG AT's into the snow once... was horrible, they packed with
snow
> > immediatly and I slowly slid right into a ditch. A guy in a Geo Tracker
> > drove by me giving me the finger... Never again...
> > Nick
> >
> > "Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F26BD86.D54C90A7@nospamsprunty.com...
> >
> > >
> > > The BFG AT, not having very wide "lugs" gets very packed in sticky mud
and
> > does not clean nearly as
> > > well as a good mud tire. But then, there are few mud tires that do
well
> > in ice (unless studded), or
> > > wear well on road and are not too loud.

Ace!

I also run BFG MTs, on another Jeep, and really like them in the snow. On ice or hardpack it's
another story, and I don't think anything but studs works well. Deep, soft snow, MTs work pretty
well. Onroad it's another story, because vehicles tend to pack the road snow and create an almost
icy situation, whereas the MTs don't have enough bite.

In water, I've found most tires sink, so don't go too deep.

Nick N wrote:
>
> No they were the older version. I also remember one time turning a corner
> and hitting a wet spot on the cement. My back end flew around infront of
> me, tires squeling. Again, I was SO not impressed by the at's... In the
> snow, I had tried a combo of things. It was deep moist snow. I tried just
> moving at idle, it tried gunning it..everything and they just didn't cut it.
> As the tracker drove by, I noticed it's tires tread was clearing immediatly
> after leaving the ground. Not sure what they were but it was more deep
> verticle sipes than horizontal. Right now I have MT's and really like them
> but don't yet have experience with them in snow or water.
>
> Nick
>
> "Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
> news:3F26CDAE.4F392347@nospamsprunty.com...
> > Were they the AT/KO (newer version)? Also, in many snow conditions you do
> want them to pack),
> > because rubber doesn't stick to snow. Snow sticks to snow. The sipes in
> snow tires allow snow to
> > pack them, sticking to the snow on the road as the tire comes around
> again. What kind of tires was
> > the Geo running?
> >
> > A neat experiment would be to roll a rubber ball down a snowy embankment
> and see how much bigger it
> > is at the bottom of the hill. Roll snow around and you can make a pretty
> big ball of snow because
> > the snow sticks to itself. I'd suspect you spun your tires trying to
> clean them rather than only
> > trying to allow the tires to turn slow enough to stick to the snow on the
> roadway. Of course
> > there's a hundred types of snow and they don't all call for the same
> driving technique. If you're
> > driving in deep snow, offroad, or powder I'd say the driving technique
> would be drastically
> > different, so would the need for a different tire.
> >
> > Of course no tire is the best at everything, and that's my point. In mud
> the ATs pack up and are
> > like racing slicks, so finding one tire to be the best on road and
> offroad, in multiple offroad
> > situations is pretty futile. But what tire would you suggest Nick? Maybe
> I should look for it next
> > time I buy tires.
> >
> > Nick N wrote:
> > >
> > > I took my BFG AT's into the snow once... was horrible, they packed with
> snow
> > > immediatly and I slowly slid right into a ditch. A guy in a Geo Tracker
> > > drove by me giving me the finger... Never again...
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > "Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3F26BD86.D54C90A7@nospamsprunty.com...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The BFG AT, not having very wide "lugs" gets very packed in sticky mud
> and
> > > does not clean nearly as
> > > > well as a good mud tire. But then, there are few mud tires that do
> well
> > > in ice (unless studded), or
> > > > wear well on road and are not too loud.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

You've heard the term "clean it out" that applies to tires too, you
hear them doing just that at the mud bog type races.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The trouble Robert, is that they fill up with ice and mud. I was going to
> make the same suggestion, until I noticed he wanted ice and mud performance.
> I see these requirements as being counter to the demand for long wearing and
> good highway performance. Given his mixed bag of demands, I have no
> suggestions.

Tirya

"Billyism" <wtshtf@hot-spambuster-mail.com> wrote in message
news:vidkdis8sumn0f@corp.supernews.com...
> I live in Texas, so snow isn't too much of a concern but once or twice a
> year. I drive mostly on the road... the jeep is my only vehicle, but I do a
> lot of outdoor stuff and have been down muddy trails. The factory set did
> great and not once was I stuck, even when 'regular' vehicles were, but I
> assumed it was the 4wd rather than the tires. I probably have another 5-7k
> left on them. I would just like some ideas of something with a little more
> traction than the factory set that will wear well on the highway too. I'm
> sure there is a best choice for each situation. but out right road tires
> look awfully funny on a wrangler... almost as bad as 28 inch tires.

From another Texan (by location, not by birth), IMHO you would probably be
best off with the BFG ATs down here. The amount of snow that you get here is
negligible, and you're probably right it was more the 4WD than the tires.
FWIW, I drove my Jeep for a couple years in Chicago on the BFG ATs, as well,
and was happy with their winter performance.

How muddy is "muddy" when you're talking about trails? The BFGs as others
have noted aren't the best in mud, but I've used them offroad on some
relatively soupy stuff and haven't had much problem. Mine have somewhere over
50K miles on them and are just under 50% tread, if I remember what my last
measurements were.

If you've got a TJ, you can go up to a 31" tire without needing to do a lift -
and IMHO they look *very* sharp.

Tirya
--
TDC Inca Jeeper
A dirty Jeep is a happy Jeep.

TJim

http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20medium.jpg
http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20float.mpeg
TJim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW

"Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
news:3F26DDAB.618C6F34@nospamsprunty.com...
> I also run BFG MTs, on another Jeep, and really like them in the snow. On
ice or hardpack it's
> another story, and I don't think anything but studs works well. Deep,
soft snow, MTs work pretty
> well. Onroad it's another story, because vehicles tend to pack the road
snow and create an almost
> icy situation, whereas the MTs don't have enough bite.
>
> In water, I've found most tires sink, so don't go too deep.
>
> Nick N wrote:
> >
> > No they were the older version. I also remember one time turning a
corner
> > and hitting a wet spot on the cement. My back end flew around infront
of
> > me, tires squeling. Again, I was SO not impressed by the at's... In
the
> > snow, I had tried a combo of things. It was deep moist snow. I tried
just
> > moving at idle, it tried gunning it..everything and they just didn't cut
it.
> > As the tracker drove by, I noticed it's tires tread was clearing
immediatly
> > after leaving the ground. Not sure what they were but it was more deep
> > verticle sipes than horizontal. Right now I have MT's and really like
them
> > but don't yet have experience with them in snow or water.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > "Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F26CDAE.4F392347@nospamsprunty.com...
> > > Were they the AT/KO (newer version)? Also, in many snow conditions
you do
> > want them to pack),
> > > because rubber doesn't stick to snow. Snow sticks to snow. The sipes
in
> > snow tires allow snow to
> > > pack them, sticking to the snow on the road as the tire comes around
> > again. What kind of tires was
> > > the Geo running?
> > >
> > > A neat experiment would be to roll a rubber ball down a snowy
embankment
> > and see how much bigger it
> > > is at the bottom of the hill. Roll snow around and you can make a
pretty
> > big ball of snow because
> > > the snow sticks to itself. I'd suspect you spun your tires trying to
> > clean them rather than only
> > > trying to allow the tires to turn slow enough to stick to the snow on
the
> > roadway. Of course
> > > there's a hundred types of snow and they don't all call for the same
> > driving technique. If you're
> > > driving in deep snow, offroad, or powder I'd say the driving technique
> > would be drastically
> > > different, so would the need for a different tire.
> > >
> > > Of course no tire is the best at everything, and that's my point. In
mud
> > the ATs pack up and are
> > > like racing slicks, so finding one tire to be the best on road and
> > offroad, in multiple offroad
> > > situations is pretty futile. But what tire would you suggest Nick?
Maybe
> > I should look for it next
> > > time I buy tires.
> > >
> > > Nick N wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I took my BFG AT's into the snow once... was horrible, they packed
with
> > snow
> > > > immediatly and I slowly slid right into a ditch. A guy in a Geo
Tracker
> > > > drove by me giving me the finger... Never again...
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > > > "Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F26BD86.D54C90A7@nospamsprunty.com...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The BFG AT, not having very wide "lugs" gets very packed in sticky
mud
> > and
> > > > does not clean nearly as
> > > > > well as a good mud tire. But then, there are few mud tires that
do
> > well
> > > > in ice (unless studded), or
> > > > > wear well on road and are not too loud.

Nick N

Well, that wasn't to smart entering water flowing that hard.
Nick

"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:rk6dneHpmIrXNLqiXTWJiw@comcast.com...
> http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20medium.jpg
> http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20float.mpeg
> TJim
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW

FrankW

LOL That was my thought also.
I guess they never went white water rafting,canoeing or kayaking :-)

Nick N wrote:
> Well, that wasn't to smart entering water flowing that hard.
> Nick
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:rk6dneHpmIrXNLqiXTWJiw@comcast.com...
>
>>http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20medium.jpg
>>http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20float.mpeg
>>TJim
>>98 TJ SE
>>90 SJ GW
>
>
>

Just Taylor

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:17:28 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com>
wrote:

http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20float.mpeg

That was wicked... that wasn't you was it? Did the people recover the
TJ? No doubt that was a expensive lesson on what not to do at water
crossings...


--
Taylor

'89 Audi 200
'03 Audi S6 Avant
'98 Jeep Cherokee Sport

TJim

No, it wasn't me (I've been in water almost that deep, but never moving
water).
You can get the entire story on:
http://www.wheelingadventures.com/No...t=ST;f=1;t=733
and the pictures on:
http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_run/
It must have been quite an adventure! Scary, too!
TJim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW

"Just Taylor" <taylor@wilhelp.com> wrote in message
news:3f2ee01c.2955129@wilhelp.com...
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:17:28 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> http://myhome.spu.edu/bhuey/glacier_...p%20float.mpeg
>
> That was wicked... that wasn't you was it? Did the people recover the
> TJ? No doubt that was a expensive lesson on what not to do at water
> crossings...
>
>
> --
> Taylor
>
> '89 Audi 200
> '03 Audi S6 Avant
> '98 Jeep Cherokee Sport

Jeff Strickland

"Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3f272628$0$73635$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> > The trouble Robert, is that they fill up with ice and mud. I was going
to
> > make the same suggestion, until I noticed he wanted ice and mud
> > performance. I see these requirements as being counter to the demand for
> > long wearing and good highway performance. Given his mixed bag of
demands,
> > I have no suggestions.
>
> All-Terrain KO's are the closest thing he'll get to the best for ice and
> mud. Apart from that, he has to decide which one he wants more duty for -
> ice or mud.
>
> AT's do pack up, but name another tire that does such an all-around good
> job. JP magazine's own tire test revealed that of all the mud tires and
> serious off-road tires, the AT's did the best in ice and slippery
> conditions.
>

Well, there you go! Get a set of BFG A/T KOs.



> Another tire I can think of is Pro Comp Mud Terrain's. They have bigger
> spacing to work better in mud, yet they're siped for good road use in
> slippery conditions. I have no experience with them, as I run AT's, but
> many people like them. They don't last that long, however.