Billyism

Just curious what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a little
off road activity. I want traction in mud and ice, but I want a solid road
tire for highway travel as well. My factory tires lasted 15k miles and are
ready for replacement.

Thanks for your input!


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all go to hell."

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Robert Bills

>what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a little
>off road activity?

Don't know if any tire can claim to be "the best," but BFG AT tires ride well
on and off road, are M+S rated, aren't too noisy, and wear well.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

TJim

Your factory tires only lasted 15K??!!?? Are you running them without
air???
I *love* my general grabber ATs. They have a flexible sidewall and a
slightly more open tread pattern than the BFGs. They're good on sand, mud,
rocks (to a point) and very good on the street. When I replace them,
though, I intend to get the Goodyear mt/r tires. JP magazine rated them 3
out of 4 stars in all categories. To me, that indicates a good all-around
tire.
TJim

"Billyism" <wtshtf@hot-spambuster-mail.com> wrote in message
news:vicrt64ok1d66@corp.supernews.com...
> Just curious what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a
little
> off road activity. I want traction in mud and ice, but I want a solid
road
> tire for highway travel as well. My factory tires lasted 15k miles and
are
> ready for replacement.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
>
> --
> Billyism
> wtshtf@hot<spambuster>mail.com
>
> "I told my constituents if they wanted me back in
> Washington as their representative, they should indeed
> vote for me. If they don't, I'll go to Texas and they can
> all go to hell."
>
> Davy Crockett
>
>
>
>

Just Taylor

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:04:17 -0500, "Billyism"
<wtshtf@hot-spambuster-mail.com> wrote:

>Just curious what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a little
>off road activity. I want traction in mud and ice, but I want a solid road
>tire for highway travel as well. My factory tires lasted 15k miles and are
>ready for replacement.

I was able to squeeze 26,000 off the original Goodyear's on my XJ
myself... I now have BFG All-Terrain KO's that are not pushing 47,000
miles. They are wearing pretty even and the tread looks like I have at
least 5,000 more miles but they are showing age cracks in the tread
groves.


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Robert Bills wrote:
>
> >what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a little
> >off road activity?
>
> Don't know if any tire can claim to be "the best," but BFG AT tires ride well
> on and off road, are M+S rated, aren't too noisy, and wear well.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com

Ace!

My opinion is you want way too much out of one tire. You need two sets. I don't think there is a
good mud and ice tire that isn't a mud tire with studs. Mud and ice are much different than mud and
snow rated, and even then mud and snow usually dictate different tires; and then you want it to do
well on road. Not really going to happen in one tire.

The BFGoodrich AT is one of the best middle of the road off road tires that also got the RMA severe
weather rating (more than just M&S rated). The BFG AT will suffice when some chain restrictions are
in force due to the RMA rating, meaning it does quite well in snow due to siping. Ice of course
really dictates the use of studs. If you want a good "ice" tire it needs to be studded, but at the
very least you want to find something with the RMA severe weather rating (look for a mountain with a
snowflake logo on the sidewall of the tire, AND the M&S).

The BFG AT, not having very wide "lugs" gets very packed in sticky mud and does not clean nearly as
well as a good mud tire. But then, there are few mud tires that do well in ice (unless studded), or
wear well on road and are not too loud.

BFG ATs are probably a *good* choice, but understand they do almost nothing exceptionally well, but
do most things marginally well. As an all-around tire they are great, but not really great at any
one thing.

BTW, I have used BFG ATs on more than one rig, and currently run them on my XJ. I run them because
on dry dirt they work well, and I know they work well in snow/packed snow on the highway. They also
seem to last forever.

Bottom line though, I'd buy a good snow tire for the winter, and if you really need an "ice" tire
you NEED a studded tire. Then buy a second set for weekend off roading.

Billyism wrote:
>
> Just curious what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a little
> off road activity. I want traction in mud and ice, but I want a solid road
> tire for highway travel as well. My factory tires lasted 15k miles and are
> ready for replacement.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> --
> Billyism
> wtshtf@hot<spambuster>mail.com
>
> "I told my constituents if they wanted me back in
> Washington as their representative, they should indeed
> vote for me. If they don't, I'll go to Texas and they can
> all go to hell."
>
> Davy Crockett

Nick N

I took my BFG AT's into the snow once... was horrible, they packed with snow
immediatly and I slowly slid right into a ditch. A guy in a Geo Tracker
drove by me giving me the finger... Never again...
Nick

"Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
news:3F26BD86.D54C90A7@nospamsprunty.com...

>
> The BFG AT, not having very wide "lugs" gets very packed in sticky mud and
does not clean nearly as
> well as a good mud tire. But then, there are few mud tires that do well
in ice (unless studded), or
> wear well on road and are not too loud.

Ace!

Were they the AT/KO (newer version)? Also, in many snow conditions you do want them to pack),
because rubber doesn't stick to snow. Snow sticks to snow. The sipes in snow tires allow snow to
pack them, sticking to the snow on the road as the tire comes around again. What kind of tires was
the Geo running?

A neat experiment would be to roll a rubber ball down a snowy embankment and see how much bigger it
is at the bottom of the hill. Roll snow around and you can make a pretty big ball of snow because
the snow sticks to itself. I'd suspect you spun your tires trying to clean them rather than only
trying to allow the tires to turn slow enough to stick to the snow on the roadway. Of course
there's a hundred types of snow and they don't all call for the same driving technique. If you're
driving in deep snow, offroad, or powder I'd say the driving technique would be drastically
different, so would the need for a different tire.

Of course no tire is the best at everything, and that's my point. In mud the ATs pack up and are
like racing slicks, so finding one tire to be the best on road and offroad, in multiple offroad
situations is pretty futile. But what tire would you suggest Nick? Maybe I should look for it next
time I buy tires.

Nick N wrote:
>
> I took my BFG AT's into the snow once... was horrible, they packed with snow
> immediatly and I slowly slid right into a ditch. A guy in a Geo Tracker
> drove by me giving me the finger... Never again...
> Nick
>
> "Ace!" <ace@nospamsprunty.com> wrote in message
> news:3F26BD86.D54C90A7@nospamsprunty.com...
>
> >
> > The BFG AT, not having very wide "lugs" gets very packed in sticky mud and
> does not clean nearly as
> > well as a good mud tire. But then, there are few mud tires that do well
> in ice (unless studded), or
> > wear well on road and are not too loud.

Billyism

I live in Texas, so snow isn't too much of a concern but once or twice a
year. I drive mostly on the road... the jeep is my only vehicle, but I do a
lot of outdoor stuff and have been down muddy trails. The factory set did
great and not once was I stuck, even when 'regular' vehicles were, but I
assumed it was the 4wd rather than the tires. I probably have another 5-7k
left on them. I would just like some ideas of something with a little more
traction than the factory set that will wear well on the highway too. I'm
sure there is a best choice for each situation. but out right road tires
look awfully funny on a wrangler... almost as bad as 28 inch tires.

Thanks again!!!

Billy


"Billyism" <wtshtf@hot-spambuster-mail.com> wrote in message
news:vicrt64ok1d66@corp.supernews.com...
> Just curious what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a
little
> off road activity. I want traction in mud and ice, but I want a solid
road
> tire for highway travel as well. My factory tires lasted 15k miles and
are
> ready for replacement.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
>
> --
> Billyism
> wtshtf@hot<spambuster>mail.com
>
> "I told my constituents if they wanted me back in
> Washington as their representative, they should indeed
> vote for me. If they don't, I'll go to Texas and they can
> all go to hell."
>
> Davy Crockett
>
>
>
>

Ace!

If you've got a Costco near you, BFGs are fairly inexpensive and both the AT and MT wear well. If
the factory set did great, then any AT or MT will too. I don't think I really understood your need
for tires/question before.

I think the BFG AT will be more than enough tire. There are also some good Les Schwab tires (but
they may be a PNW thing), or pretty much any agressive tire you find at Wal-Mart. As a matter of
fact Wal-Mart has a decent off road tire, an "HT Super Sport" or something. It's the same as a
Big-O Bigfoot MT if I remember right, but less expensive.

Billyism wrote:
>
> I live in Texas, so snow isn't too much of a concern but once or twice a
> year. I drive mostly on the road... the jeep is my only vehicle, but I do a
> lot of outdoor stuff and have been down muddy trails. The factory set did
> great and not once was I stuck, even when 'regular' vehicles were, but I
> assumed it was the 4wd rather than the tires. I probably have another 5-7k
> left on them. I would just like some ideas of something with a little more
> traction than the factory set that will wear well on the highway too. I'm
> sure there is a best choice for each situation. but out right road tires
> look awfully funny on a wrangler... almost as bad as 28 inch tires.
>
> Thanks again!!!
>
> Billy
>
> "Billyism" <wtshtf@hot-spambuster-mail.com> wrote in message
> news:vicrt64ok1d66@corp.supernews.com...
> > Just curious what the best all around tire would be for on-road and a
> little
> > off road activity. I want traction in mud and ice, but I want a solid
> road
> > tire for highway travel as well. My factory tires lasted 15k miles and
> are
> > ready for replacement.
> >
> > Thanks for your input!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Billyism
> > wtshtf@hot<spambuster>mail.com
> >
> > "I told my constituents if they wanted me back in
> > Washington as their representative, they should indeed
> > vote for me. If they don't, I'll go to Texas and they can
> > all go to hell."
> >
> > Davy Crockett
> >
> >
> >
> >