Y'all were right! YJ Shackles
11-19-2003, 03:01 PM
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Y'all were right! YJ Shackles
Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
machine with the problem, yada-yada..
Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
too.
At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
the four banger.
2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
the wheels and tires.
I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
"put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
what we do.
Anyone in Texas got some OEM Jeep Wheels that'll fit the YJ?
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was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
machine with the problem, yada-yada..
Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
too.
At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
the four banger.
2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
the wheels and tires.
I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
"put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
what we do.
Anyone in Texas got some OEM Jeep Wheels that'll fit the YJ?
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11-19-2003, 03:22 PM
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Re: Y'all were right! YJ Shackles
"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
news:moomesa-FDEC74.14013619112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> machine with the problem, yada-yada..
>
> Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
>
> So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> too.
>
> At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
>
> 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> the four banger.
>
While you certainly could throw some ProComp Springs under it, let me
suggest that they are very stiff, and unless the Mrs. likes to hold her
breasts with duct tape, you and she may not be very pleased with the
results.
I would suggest a slight cost-up and get springs that are more pliable
(softer).
> 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
>
YJ springs are nearly flat, so they are probably fine now.
> 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> the wheels and tires.
>
What rims are you using? You should be using an 8" rim (or even a 7" rim),
that's 15x8, not a 10" rim. There is a thing called backspacing to be
considered too. If the backspacing is too small, the rims will stick out
beyond the fenders, if the backspacing is too great, the rims will rub on
the undercarriage.
You can get new rims for about $30 each. The tire store will know which ones
you need, especially when you explain the problem you need to solve.
> I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> what we do.
>
You could keep the stock springs and the 31" tires that you have, and gain
the needed clearance from a body lift. A body lift has you remove the rubber
hockey pucks between the frame and the tub and replace them with taller
hockey pucks. This will return the suspension to stock specs, yet still
allow the slight increase in tire size that you have.
11-19-2003, 03:22 PM
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Re: Y'all were right! YJ Shackles
"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
news:moomesa-FDEC74.14013619112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> machine with the problem, yada-yada..
>
> Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
>
> So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> too.
>
> At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
>
> 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> the four banger.
>
While you certainly could throw some ProComp Springs under it, let me
suggest that they are very stiff, and unless the Mrs. likes to hold her
breasts with duct tape, you and she may not be very pleased with the
results.
I would suggest a slight cost-up and get springs that are more pliable
(softer).
> 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
>
YJ springs are nearly flat, so they are probably fine now.
> 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> the wheels and tires.
>
What rims are you using? You should be using an 8" rim (or even a 7" rim),
that's 15x8, not a 10" rim. There is a thing called backspacing to be
considered too. If the backspacing is too small, the rims will stick out
beyond the fenders, if the backspacing is too great, the rims will rub on
the undercarriage.
You can get new rims for about $30 each. The tire store will know which ones
you need, especially when you explain the problem you need to solve.
> I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> what we do.
>
You could keep the stock springs and the 31" tires that you have, and gain
the needed clearance from a body lift. A body lift has you remove the rubber
hockey pucks between the frame and the tub and replace them with taller
hockey pucks. This will return the suspension to stock specs, yet still
allow the slight increase in tire size that you have.
11-19-2003, 03:22 PM
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Re: Y'all were right! YJ Shackles
"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
news:moomesa-FDEC74.14013619112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> machine with the problem, yada-yada..
>
> Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
>
> So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> too.
>
> At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
>
> 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> the four banger.
>
While you certainly could throw some ProComp Springs under it, let me
suggest that they are very stiff, and unless the Mrs. likes to hold her
breasts with duct tape, you and she may not be very pleased with the
results.
I would suggest a slight cost-up and get springs that are more pliable
(softer).
> 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
>
YJ springs are nearly flat, so they are probably fine now.
> 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> the wheels and tires.
>
What rims are you using? You should be using an 8" rim (or even a 7" rim),
that's 15x8, not a 10" rim. There is a thing called backspacing to be
considered too. If the backspacing is too small, the rims will stick out
beyond the fenders, if the backspacing is too great, the rims will rub on
the undercarriage.
You can get new rims for about $30 each. The tire store will know which ones
you need, especially when you explain the problem you need to solve.
> I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> what we do.
>
You could keep the stock springs and the 31" tires that you have, and gain
the needed clearance from a body lift. A body lift has you remove the rubber
hockey pucks between the frame and the tub and replace them with taller
hockey pucks. This will return the suspension to stock specs, yet still
allow the slight increase in tire size that you have.
11-19-2003, 03:42 PM
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Re: Y'all were right! YJ Shackles
In article <vrnkd4mto5g6a7@corp.supernews.com>,
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
> news:moomesa-FDEC74.14013619112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> > Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> > was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> > setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> > machine with the problem, yada-yada..
> >
> > Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> > good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
> >
> > So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> > kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> > lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> > too.
> >
> > At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> > doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> > her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> > gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> > But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
> >
> > 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> > suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> > the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> > the four banger.
> >
>
> While you certainly could throw some ProComp Springs under it, let me
> suggest that they are very stiff, and unless the Mrs. likes to hold her
> breasts with duct tape, you and she may not be very pleased with the
> results.
>
> I would suggest a slight cost-up and get springs that are more pliable
> (softer).
>
Agreed.
> > 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> > shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
> >
>
> YJ springs are nearly flat, so they are probably fine now.
>
No. The rear are shot. Both rear leaves are slightly downturned at the
front. Four bags of deer corn and it bottomed out on a slight dip.
> > 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> > the wheels and tires.
> >
>
> What rims are you using? You should be using an 8" rim (or even a 7" rim),
> that's 15x8, not a 10" rim. There is a thing called backspacing to be
> considered too. If the backspacing is too small, the rims will stick out
> beyond the fenders, if the backspacing is too great, the rims will rub on
> the undercarriage.
Typical American Racing Outlaw style 15x8s, too small backspacing.
>
> You can get new rims for about $30 each. The tire store will know which ones
> you need, especially when you explain the problem you need to solve.
Naw, I'll want OEMs. Found several at ebay. I'll just keep watching, or
look locally, like at the 4x4 shops for take-offs.
> > I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> > "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> > see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> > muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> > We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> > someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> > what we do.
> >
>
> You could keep the stock springs and the 31" tires that you have, and gain
> the needed clearance from a body lift. A body lift has you remove the rubber
> hockey pucks between the frame and the tub and replace them with taller
> hockey pucks. This will return the suspension to stock specs, yet still
> allow the slight increase in tire size that you have.
The four banger needs some help, that's why we were thinking of going
back stock. Jeeps are like that, ya change one thing, ya gotta change
four more. We don't really need the oversized tires, or their expense.
(that's what my F-350 crew cab 4x4 is for ;^) )
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"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
> news:moomesa-FDEC74.14013619112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> > Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> > was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> > setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> > machine with the problem, yada-yada..
> >
> > Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> > good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
> >
> > So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> > kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> > lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> > too.
> >
> > At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> > doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> > her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> > gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> > But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
> >
> > 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> > suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> > the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> > the four banger.
> >
>
> While you certainly could throw some ProComp Springs under it, let me
> suggest that they are very stiff, and unless the Mrs. likes to hold her
> breasts with duct tape, you and she may not be very pleased with the
> results.
>
> I would suggest a slight cost-up and get springs that are more pliable
> (softer).
>
Agreed.
> > 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> > shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
> >
>
> YJ springs are nearly flat, so they are probably fine now.
>
No. The rear are shot. Both rear leaves are slightly downturned at the
front. Four bags of deer corn and it bottomed out on a slight dip.
> > 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> > the wheels and tires.
> >
>
> What rims are you using? You should be using an 8" rim (or even a 7" rim),
> that's 15x8, not a 10" rim. There is a thing called backspacing to be
> considered too. If the backspacing is too small, the rims will stick out
> beyond the fenders, if the backspacing is too great, the rims will rub on
> the undercarriage.
Typical American Racing Outlaw style 15x8s, too small backspacing.
>
> You can get new rims for about $30 each. The tire store will know which ones
> you need, especially when you explain the problem you need to solve.
Naw, I'll want OEMs. Found several at ebay. I'll just keep watching, or
look locally, like at the 4x4 shops for take-offs.
> > I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> > "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> > see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> > muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> > We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> > someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> > what we do.
> >
>
> You could keep the stock springs and the 31" tires that you have, and gain
> the needed clearance from a body lift. A body lift has you remove the rubber
> hockey pucks between the frame and the tub and replace them with taller
> hockey pucks. This will return the suspension to stock specs, yet still
> allow the slight increase in tire size that you have.
The four banger needs some help, that's why we were thinking of going
back stock. Jeeps are like that, ya change one thing, ya gotta change
four more. We don't really need the oversized tires, or their expense.
(that's what my F-350 crew cab 4x4 is for ;^) )
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11-19-2003, 03:42 PM
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Re: Y'all were right! YJ Shackles
In article <vrnkd4mto5g6a7@corp.supernews.com>,
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
> news:moomesa-FDEC74.14013619112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> > Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> > was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> > setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> > machine with the problem, yada-yada..
> >
> > Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> > good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
> >
> > So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> > kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> > lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> > too.
> >
> > At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> > doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> > her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> > gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> > But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
> >
> > 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> > suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> > the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> > the four banger.
> >
>
> While you certainly could throw some ProComp Springs under it, let me
> suggest that they are very stiff, and unless the Mrs. likes to hold her
> breasts with duct tape, you and she may not be very pleased with the
> results.
>
> I would suggest a slight cost-up and get springs that are more pliable
> (softer).
>
Agreed.
> > 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> > shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
> >
>
> YJ springs are nearly flat, so they are probably fine now.
>
No. The rear are shot. Both rear leaves are slightly downturned at the
front. Four bags of deer corn and it bottomed out on a slight dip.
> > 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> > the wheels and tires.
> >
>
> What rims are you using? You should be using an 8" rim (or even a 7" rim),
> that's 15x8, not a 10" rim. There is a thing called backspacing to be
> considered too. If the backspacing is too small, the rims will stick out
> beyond the fenders, if the backspacing is too great, the rims will rub on
> the undercarriage.
Typical American Racing Outlaw style 15x8s, too small backspacing.
>
> You can get new rims for about $30 each. The tire store will know which ones
> you need, especially when you explain the problem you need to solve.
Naw, I'll want OEMs. Found several at ebay. I'll just keep watching, or
look locally, like at the 4x4 shops for take-offs.
> > I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> > "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> > see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> > muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> > We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> > someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> > what we do.
> >
>
> You could keep the stock springs and the 31" tires that you have, and gain
> the needed clearance from a body lift. A body lift has you remove the rubber
> hockey pucks between the frame and the tub and replace them with taller
> hockey pucks. This will return the suspension to stock specs, yet still
> allow the slight increase in tire size that you have.
The four banger needs some help, that's why we were thinking of going
back stock. Jeeps are like that, ya change one thing, ya gotta change
four more. We don't really need the oversized tires, or their expense.
(that's what my F-350 crew cab 4x4 is for ;^) )
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"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
> news:moomesa-FDEC74.14013619112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> > Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> > was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> > setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> > machine with the problem, yada-yada..
> >
> > Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> > good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
> >
> > So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> > kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> > lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> > too.
> >
> > At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> > doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> > her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> > gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> > But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
> >
> > 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> > suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> > the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> > the four banger.
> >
>
> While you certainly could throw some ProComp Springs under it, let me
> suggest that they are very stiff, and unless the Mrs. likes to hold her
> breasts with duct tape, you and she may not be very pleased with the
> results.
>
> I would suggest a slight cost-up and get springs that are more pliable
> (softer).
>
Agreed.
> > 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> > shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
> >
>
> YJ springs are nearly flat, so they are probably fine now.
>
No. The rear are shot. Both rear leaves are slightly downturned at the
front. Four bags of deer corn and it bottomed out on a slight dip.
> > 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> > the wheels and tires.
> >
>
> What rims are you using? You should be using an 8" rim (or even a 7" rim),
> that's 15x8, not a 10" rim. There is a thing called backspacing to be
> considered too. If the backspacing is too small, the rims will stick out
> beyond the fenders, if the backspacing is too great, the rims will rub on
> the undercarriage.
Typical American Racing Outlaw style 15x8s, too small backspacing.
>
> You can get new rims for about $30 each. The tire store will know which ones
> you need, especially when you explain the problem you need to solve.
Naw, I'll want OEMs. Found several at ebay. I'll just keep watching, or
look locally, like at the 4x4 shops for take-offs.
> > I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> > "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> > see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> > muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> > We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> > someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> > what we do.
> >
>
> You could keep the stock springs and the 31" tires that you have, and gain
> the needed clearance from a body lift. A body lift has you remove the rubber
> hockey pucks between the frame and the tub and replace them with taller
> hockey pucks. This will return the suspension to stock specs, yet still
> allow the slight increase in tire size that you have.
The four banger needs some help, that's why we were thinking of going
back stock. Jeeps are like that, ya change one thing, ya gotta change
four more. We don't really need the oversized tires, or their expense.
(that's what my F-350 crew cab 4x4 is for ;^) )
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Re: Y'all were right! YJ Shackles
In article <vrnkd4mto5g6a7@corp.supernews.com>,
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
> news:moomesa-FDEC74.14013619112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> > Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> > was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> > setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> > machine with the problem, yada-yada..
> >
> > Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> > good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
> >
> > So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> > kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> > lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> > too.
> >
> > At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> > doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> > her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> > gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> > But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
> >
> > 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> > suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> > the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> > the four banger.
> >
>
> While you certainly could throw some ProComp Springs under it, let me
> suggest that they are very stiff, and unless the Mrs. likes to hold her
> breasts with duct tape, you and she may not be very pleased with the
> results.
>
> I would suggest a slight cost-up and get springs that are more pliable
> (softer).
>
Agreed.
> > 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> > shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
> >
>
> YJ springs are nearly flat, so they are probably fine now.
>
No. The rear are shot. Both rear leaves are slightly downturned at the
front. Four bags of deer corn and it bottomed out on a slight dip.
> > 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> > the wheels and tires.
> >
>
> What rims are you using? You should be using an 8" rim (or even a 7" rim),
> that's 15x8, not a 10" rim. There is a thing called backspacing to be
> considered too. If the backspacing is too small, the rims will stick out
> beyond the fenders, if the backspacing is too great, the rims will rub on
> the undercarriage.
Typical American Racing Outlaw style 15x8s, too small backspacing.
>
> You can get new rims for about $30 each. The tire store will know which ones
> you need, especially when you explain the problem you need to solve.
Naw, I'll want OEMs. Found several at ebay. I'll just keep watching, or
look locally, like at the 4x4 shops for take-offs.
> > I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> > "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> > see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> > muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> > We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> > someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> > what we do.
> >
>
> You could keep the stock springs and the 31" tires that you have, and gain
> the needed clearance from a body lift. A body lift has you remove the rubber
> hockey pucks between the frame and the tub and replace them with taller
> hockey pucks. This will return the suspension to stock specs, yet still
> allow the slight increase in tire size that you have.
The four banger needs some help, that's why we were thinking of going
back stock. Jeeps are like that, ya change one thing, ya gotta change
four more. We don't really need the oversized tires, or their expense.
(that's what my F-350 crew cab 4x4 is for ;^) )
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"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
> news:moomesa-FDEC74.14013619112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> > Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> > was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> > setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> > machine with the problem, yada-yada..
> >
> > Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> > good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
> >
> > So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> > kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> > lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> > too.
> >
> > At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> > doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> > her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> > gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> > But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
> >
> > 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> > suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> > the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> > the four banger.
> >
>
> While you certainly could throw some ProComp Springs under it, let me
> suggest that they are very stiff, and unless the Mrs. likes to hold her
> breasts with duct tape, you and she may not be very pleased with the
> results.
>
> I would suggest a slight cost-up and get springs that are more pliable
> (softer).
>
Agreed.
> > 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> > shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
> >
>
> YJ springs are nearly flat, so they are probably fine now.
>
No. The rear are shot. Both rear leaves are slightly downturned at the
front. Four bags of deer corn and it bottomed out on a slight dip.
> > 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> > the wheels and tires.
> >
>
> What rims are you using? You should be using an 8" rim (or even a 7" rim),
> that's 15x8, not a 10" rim. There is a thing called backspacing to be
> considered too. If the backspacing is too small, the rims will stick out
> beyond the fenders, if the backspacing is too great, the rims will rub on
> the undercarriage.
Typical American Racing Outlaw style 15x8s, too small backspacing.
>
> You can get new rims for about $30 each. The tire store will know which ones
> you need, especially when you explain the problem you need to solve.
Naw, I'll want OEMs. Found several at ebay. I'll just keep watching, or
look locally, like at the 4x4 shops for take-offs.
> > I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> > "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> > see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> > muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> > We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> > someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> > what we do.
> >
>
> You could keep the stock springs and the 31" tires that you have, and gain
> the needed clearance from a body lift. A body lift has you remove the rubber
> hockey pucks between the frame and the tub and replace them with taller
> hockey pucks. This will return the suspension to stock specs, yet still
> allow the slight increase in tire size that you have.
The four banger needs some help, that's why we were thinking of going
back stock. Jeeps are like that, ya change one thing, ya gotta change
four more. We don't really need the oversized tires, or their expense.
(that's what my F-350 crew cab 4x4 is for ;^) )
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Re: Y'all were right! YJ Shackles
That sounds like a good way to go.
Maybe you could even find someone willing to swap the tires if they
still are good.
Personally I like the way my tall skinny tires fit. They are exactly
the right width for the flares so I have a real hard time getting her
muddy.... ;-)
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeepers wrote:
>
> Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> machine with the problem, yada-yada..
>
> Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
>
> So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> too.
>
> At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
>
> 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> the four banger.
>
> 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
>
> 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> the wheels and tires.
>
> I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> what we do.
>
> Anyone in Texas got some OEM Jeep Wheels that'll fit the YJ?
>
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Maybe you could even find someone willing to swap the tires if they
still are good.
Personally I like the way my tall skinny tires fit. They are exactly
the right width for the flares so I have a real hard time getting her
muddy.... ;-)
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeepers wrote:
>
> Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> machine with the problem, yada-yada..
>
> Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
>
> So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> too.
>
> At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
>
> 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> the four banger.
>
> 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
>
> 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> the wheels and tires.
>
> I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> what we do.
>
> Anyone in Texas got some OEM Jeep Wheels that'll fit the YJ?
>
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Re: Y'all were right! YJ Shackles
That sounds like a good way to go.
Maybe you could even find someone willing to swap the tires if they
still are good.
Personally I like the way my tall skinny tires fit. They are exactly
the right width for the flares so I have a real hard time getting her
muddy.... ;-)
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeepers wrote:
>
> Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> machine with the problem, yada-yada..
>
> Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
>
> So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> too.
>
> At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
>
> 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> the four banger.
>
> 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
>
> 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> the wheels and tires.
>
> I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> what we do.
>
> Anyone in Texas got some OEM Jeep Wheels that'll fit the YJ?
>
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Maybe you could even find someone willing to swap the tires if they
still are good.
Personally I like the way my tall skinny tires fit. They are exactly
the right width for the flares so I have a real hard time getting her
muddy.... ;-)
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeepers wrote:
>
> Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> machine with the problem, yada-yada..
>
> Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
>
> So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> too.
>
> At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
>
> 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> the four banger.
>
> 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
>
> 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> the wheels and tires.
>
> I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> what we do.
>
> Anyone in Texas got some OEM Jeep Wheels that'll fit the YJ?
>
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Re: Y'all were right! YJ Shackles
That sounds like a good way to go.
Maybe you could even find someone willing to swap the tires if they
still are good.
Personally I like the way my tall skinny tires fit. They are exactly
the right width for the flares so I have a real hard time getting her
muddy.... ;-)
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeepers wrote:
>
> Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> machine with the problem, yada-yada..
>
> Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
>
> So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> too.
>
> At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
>
> 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> the four banger.
>
> 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
>
> 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> the wheels and tires.
>
> I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> what we do.
>
> Anyone in Texas got some OEM Jeep Wheels that'll fit the YJ?
>
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Maybe you could even find someone willing to swap the tires if they
still are good.
Personally I like the way my tall skinny tires fit. They are exactly
the right width for the flares so I have a real hard time getting her
muddy.... ;-)
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeepers wrote:
>
> Took the wife's YJ BACK to the alignment shop (the one that told me all
> was within specs). Got it back on the machine, all the while during
> setup and calibration, the shop guys tried to tell me it wasn't their
> machine with the problem, yada-yada..
>
> Sure enough, the caster was 3.2 degrees. I told the owner that it was a
> good thing my wife didn't get killed, or I would own his shop now.
>
> So, a recap. Bought a 93 YJ with a shackle lift already on it. It drives
> kinda touchy. Came here and the consensus seemed to point at the shackle
> lift and crappy caster angles. The springs are looking kinda fatigued
> too.
>
> At this point my wife and I discussed her alternatives for her Jeep. She
> doesn't like the way the tires throw mud and crud all over the side of
> her "li'l runabout" because of how far the tires stick out. And the mud
> gets on the nerf bar and she gets it on her clothes getting in and out.
> But she wants to keep the nerf bars (don't ask).
>
> 1. we could throw $700 at it to have Four Wheel Parts install a Pro Comp
> suspension on it. And still have the wheels and tires sticking out past
> the flares and still have the 31"tires and the wrong gearing for them on
> the four banger.
>
> 2. have the shackles removed, swap in stock size wheels and tires and
> shackles and get the springs re-arched and get it back to stock condition
>
> 3. install shims and get wider flares and install helper leaves and keep
> the wheels and tires.
>
> I think she wants to get some OEM Jeep wheels and stock shackles and
> "put it back the way it was made". Which is fine with me, it'll never
> see serious offroading other than the 1/4 mile drive up our unpaved
> muddy driveway. This is also the cheap route - no $'s on flares or lift.
> We feel we can find some OEM take-off wheels on the cheap and trade
> someone for her AR rims. The tires are done and need replacing no matter
> what we do.
>
> Anyone in Texas got some OEM Jeep Wheels that'll fit the YJ?
>
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