Ya ready for diesel yet?
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
An electro-magnetic autogas shut-off valve. Now if the accident
victim will only wake up long enough to shut off the ignition to
activate it.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> off you go ! your widow can tell us how you get on.
>
> The stoichiometric ratio is the ideal combustion process during which a fuel
> is burned completely; not the only ratio at which it will ignite as you well
> know.
>
> btw, Shell disagrees with you over the safety of lpg and petrol:
> http://www.shellgas.co.uk/site/page/29/lang/en
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
victim will only wake up long enough to shut off the ignition to
activate it.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> off you go ! your widow can tell us how you get on.
>
> The stoichiometric ratio is the ideal combustion process during which a fuel
> is burned completely; not the only ratio at which it will ignite as you well
> know.
>
> btw, Shell disagrees with you over the safety of lpg and petrol:
> http://www.shellgas.co.uk/site/page/29/lang/en
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> So basically it boils down to whether you want to carry around a
> bomb.
What would you call a gasoline tank?
You know you may extinguish a match in gasoline and that it will
> only explode if is atomized in a fifteen to one mixture.
But the fumes will burn readily. Care to demonstrate your match
extinguishing trick?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I did a quick check, and the propane in my outdoor storage tank is at 100
>> psi. If you have injectors capable of handling 100 psi liquid, then I
>> suppose you could dispense with the fuel pump, and just let the liquid
>> squirt into the intake ports under pressure. You would have to use
>> larger
>> ported injectors, because liquid propane has less energy per unit volume
>> than liquid gasoline. Theoretically, it would work. It is not used, for
>> practical reasons.
>>
>> The reasons for using fuel injection with gasoline do not apply as much
>> to
>> propane. The first consideration is mixing. Gasoline doesn't mix as
>> well
>> with intake air, because it is a liquid. It has to be coaxed to mix with
>> air and become a gas, suitable for combusion. You may have heard this
>> process referred to as "atomization". With propane, you just release the
>> pressure on it, and it becomes a gas on its own. Another reason for fuel
>> injection is more precise metering. With propane, you allow the fuel to
>> become a gas before injection into the intake, you control the pressure
>> and
>> the mixing ratio, and metering is a snap. A third reason may make
>> propane
>> injection useful. This is the ability to deliver larger quantities of
>> fuel,
>> using smaller plumbing and metering apparatus. Anyone who has looked at
>> propane regulators and plumbing, versus gasoline or diesel fuel injection
>> systems, can verify that liquid fuel injection simply takes up less
>> space.
>>
>> Your link says that "Propane-fueled engines produce less air pollution
>> than
>> gasoline engines." I would think, for this reason, that you would be in
>> favor of propane use, not against it. Although not as bad as diesel,
>> gasoline does smell bad. Propane doesn't smell, unless you count the
>> aromatic compounds added to it, to facilitate leak detection.
>>
>> Earle
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> So basically it boils down to whether you want to carry around a
> bomb.
What would you call a gasoline tank?
You know you may extinguish a match in gasoline and that it will
> only explode if is atomized in a fifteen to one mixture.
But the fumes will burn readily. Care to demonstrate your match
extinguishing trick?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I did a quick check, and the propane in my outdoor storage tank is at 100
>> psi. If you have injectors capable of handling 100 psi liquid, then I
>> suppose you could dispense with the fuel pump, and just let the liquid
>> squirt into the intake ports under pressure. You would have to use
>> larger
>> ported injectors, because liquid propane has less energy per unit volume
>> than liquid gasoline. Theoretically, it would work. It is not used, for
>> practical reasons.
>>
>> The reasons for using fuel injection with gasoline do not apply as much
>> to
>> propane. The first consideration is mixing. Gasoline doesn't mix as
>> well
>> with intake air, because it is a liquid. It has to be coaxed to mix with
>> air and become a gas, suitable for combusion. You may have heard this
>> process referred to as "atomization". With propane, you just release the
>> pressure on it, and it becomes a gas on its own. Another reason for fuel
>> injection is more precise metering. With propane, you allow the fuel to
>> become a gas before injection into the intake, you control the pressure
>> and
>> the mixing ratio, and metering is a snap. A third reason may make
>> propane
>> injection useful. This is the ability to deliver larger quantities of
>> fuel,
>> using smaller plumbing and metering apparatus. Anyone who has looked at
>> propane regulators and plumbing, versus gasoline or diesel fuel injection
>> systems, can verify that liquid fuel injection simply takes up less
>> space.
>>
>> Your link says that "Propane-fueled engines produce less air pollution
>> than
>> gasoline engines." I would think, for this reason, that you would be in
>> favor of propane use, not against it. Although not as bad as diesel,
>> gasoline does smell bad. Propane doesn't smell, unless you count the
>> aromatic compounds added to it, to facilitate leak detection.
>>
>> Earle
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> So basically it boils down to whether you want to carry around a
> bomb.
What would you call a gasoline tank?
You know you may extinguish a match in gasoline and that it will
> only explode if is atomized in a fifteen to one mixture.
But the fumes will burn readily. Care to demonstrate your match
extinguishing trick?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I did a quick check, and the propane in my outdoor storage tank is at 100
>> psi. If you have injectors capable of handling 100 psi liquid, then I
>> suppose you could dispense with the fuel pump, and just let the liquid
>> squirt into the intake ports under pressure. You would have to use
>> larger
>> ported injectors, because liquid propane has less energy per unit volume
>> than liquid gasoline. Theoretically, it would work. It is not used, for
>> practical reasons.
>>
>> The reasons for using fuel injection with gasoline do not apply as much
>> to
>> propane. The first consideration is mixing. Gasoline doesn't mix as
>> well
>> with intake air, because it is a liquid. It has to be coaxed to mix with
>> air and become a gas, suitable for combusion. You may have heard this
>> process referred to as "atomization". With propane, you just release the
>> pressure on it, and it becomes a gas on its own. Another reason for fuel
>> injection is more precise metering. With propane, you allow the fuel to
>> become a gas before injection into the intake, you control the pressure
>> and
>> the mixing ratio, and metering is a snap. A third reason may make
>> propane
>> injection useful. This is the ability to deliver larger quantities of
>> fuel,
>> using smaller plumbing and metering apparatus. Anyone who has looked at
>> propane regulators and plumbing, versus gasoline or diesel fuel injection
>> systems, can verify that liquid fuel injection simply takes up less
>> space.
>>
>> Your link says that "Propane-fueled engines produce less air pollution
>> than
>> gasoline engines." I would think, for this reason, that you would be in
>> favor of propane use, not against it. Although not as bad as diesel,
>> gasoline does smell bad. Propane doesn't smell, unless you count the
>> aromatic compounds added to it, to facilitate leak detection.
>>
>> Earle
news:433AF4C6.E61BCE99@***.net...
> So basically it boils down to whether you want to carry around a
> bomb.
What would you call a gasoline tank?
You know you may extinguish a match in gasoline and that it will
> only explode if is atomized in a fifteen to one mixture.
But the fumes will burn readily. Care to demonstrate your match
extinguishing trick?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I did a quick check, and the propane in my outdoor storage tank is at 100
>> psi. If you have injectors capable of handling 100 psi liquid, then I
>> suppose you could dispense with the fuel pump, and just let the liquid
>> squirt into the intake ports under pressure. You would have to use
>> larger
>> ported injectors, because liquid propane has less energy per unit volume
>> than liquid gasoline. Theoretically, it would work. It is not used, for
>> practical reasons.
>>
>> The reasons for using fuel injection with gasoline do not apply as much
>> to
>> propane. The first consideration is mixing. Gasoline doesn't mix as
>> well
>> with intake air, because it is a liquid. It has to be coaxed to mix with
>> air and become a gas, suitable for combusion. You may have heard this
>> process referred to as "atomization". With propane, you just release the
>> pressure on it, and it becomes a gas on its own. Another reason for fuel
>> injection is more precise metering. With propane, you allow the fuel to
>> become a gas before injection into the intake, you control the pressure
>> and
>> the mixing ratio, and metering is a snap. A third reason may make
>> propane
>> injection useful. This is the ability to deliver larger quantities of
>> fuel,
>> using smaller plumbing and metering apparatus. Anyone who has looked at
>> propane regulators and plumbing, versus gasoline or diesel fuel injection
>> systems, can verify that liquid fuel injection simply takes up less
>> space.
>>
>> Your link says that "Propane-fueled engines produce less air pollution
>> than
>> gasoline engines." I would think, for this reason, that you would be in
>> favor of propane use, not against it. Although not as bad as diesel,
>> gasoline does smell bad. Propane doesn't smell, unless you count the
>> aromatic compounds added to it, to facilitate leak detection.
>>
>> Earle
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:433AF4C6.E61BCE99@***.net...
> So basically it boils down to whether you want to carry around a
> bomb.
What would you call a gasoline tank?
You know you may extinguish a match in gasoline and that it will
> only explode if is atomized in a fifteen to one mixture.
But the fumes will burn readily. Care to demonstrate your match
extinguishing trick?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I did a quick check, and the propane in my outdoor storage tank is at 100
>> psi. If you have injectors capable of handling 100 psi liquid, then I
>> suppose you could dispense with the fuel pump, and just let the liquid
>> squirt into the intake ports under pressure. You would have to use
>> larger
>> ported injectors, because liquid propane has less energy per unit volume
>> than liquid gasoline. Theoretically, it would work. It is not used, for
>> practical reasons.
>>
>> The reasons for using fuel injection with gasoline do not apply as much
>> to
>> propane. The first consideration is mixing. Gasoline doesn't mix as
>> well
>> with intake air, because it is a liquid. It has to be coaxed to mix with
>> air and become a gas, suitable for combusion. You may have heard this
>> process referred to as "atomization". With propane, you just release the
>> pressure on it, and it becomes a gas on its own. Another reason for fuel
>> injection is more precise metering. With propane, you allow the fuel to
>> become a gas before injection into the intake, you control the pressure
>> and
>> the mixing ratio, and metering is a snap. A third reason may make
>> propane
>> injection useful. This is the ability to deliver larger quantities of
>> fuel,
>> using smaller plumbing and metering apparatus. Anyone who has looked at
>> propane regulators and plumbing, versus gasoline or diesel fuel injection
>> systems, can verify that liquid fuel injection simply takes up less
>> space.
>>
>> Your link says that "Propane-fueled engines produce less air pollution
>> than
>> gasoline engines." I would think, for this reason, that you would be in
>> favor of propane use, not against it. Although not as bad as diesel,
>> gasoline does smell bad. Propane doesn't smell, unless you count the
>> aromatic compounds added to it, to facilitate leak detection.
>>
>> Earle
news:433AF4C6.E61BCE99@***.net...
> So basically it boils down to whether you want to carry around a
> bomb.
What would you call a gasoline tank?
You know you may extinguish a match in gasoline and that it will
> only explode if is atomized in a fifteen to one mixture.
But the fumes will burn readily. Care to demonstrate your match
extinguishing trick?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I did a quick check, and the propane in my outdoor storage tank is at 100
>> psi. If you have injectors capable of handling 100 psi liquid, then I
>> suppose you could dispense with the fuel pump, and just let the liquid
>> squirt into the intake ports under pressure. You would have to use
>> larger
>> ported injectors, because liquid propane has less energy per unit volume
>> than liquid gasoline. Theoretically, it would work. It is not used, for
>> practical reasons.
>>
>> The reasons for using fuel injection with gasoline do not apply as much
>> to
>> propane. The first consideration is mixing. Gasoline doesn't mix as
>> well
>> with intake air, because it is a liquid. It has to be coaxed to mix with
>> air and become a gas, suitable for combusion. You may have heard this
>> process referred to as "atomization". With propane, you just release the
>> pressure on it, and it becomes a gas on its own. Another reason for fuel
>> injection is more precise metering. With propane, you allow the fuel to
>> become a gas before injection into the intake, you control the pressure
>> and
>> the mixing ratio, and metering is a snap. A third reason may make
>> propane
>> injection useful. This is the ability to deliver larger quantities of
>> fuel,
>> using smaller plumbing and metering apparatus. Anyone who has looked at
>> propane regulators and plumbing, versus gasoline or diesel fuel injection
>> systems, can verify that liquid fuel injection simply takes up less
>> space.
>>
>> Your link says that "Propane-fueled engines produce less air pollution
>> than
>> gasoline engines." I would think, for this reason, that you would be in
>> favor of propane use, not against it. Although not as bad as diesel,
>> gasoline does smell bad. Propane doesn't smell, unless you count the
>> aromatic compounds added to it, to facilitate leak detection.
>>
>> Earle
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
I guess an automatic fuel pump cutoff would be a good idea for modern
gasoline-powered vehicles, eh, Bill?
Last year I remember an article in a 4wd mag about a propane conversion to
an AMC v-8. The gas shutoff valve was vacuum-operated...no engine vacuum, no
gas flow.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:433B13D8.D3F754D9@***.net...
> An electro-magnetic autogas shut-off valve. Now if the accident
> victim will only wake up long enough to shut off the ignition to
> activate it.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> off you go ! your widow can tell us how you get on.
>>
>> The stoichiometric ratio is the ideal combustion process during which a
>> fuel
>> is burned completely; not the only ratio at which it will ignite as you
>> well
>> know.
>>
>> btw, Shell disagrees with you over the safety of lpg and petrol:
>> http://www.shellgas.co.uk/site/page/29/lang/en
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
gasoline-powered vehicles, eh, Bill?
Last year I remember an article in a 4wd mag about a propane conversion to
an AMC v-8. The gas shutoff valve was vacuum-operated...no engine vacuum, no
gas flow.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:433B13D8.D3F754D9@***.net...
> An electro-magnetic autogas shut-off valve. Now if the accident
> victim will only wake up long enough to shut off the ignition to
> activate it.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> off you go ! your widow can tell us how you get on.
>>
>> The stoichiometric ratio is the ideal combustion process during which a
>> fuel
>> is burned completely; not the only ratio at which it will ignite as you
>> well
>> know.
>>
>> btw, Shell disagrees with you over the safety of lpg and petrol:
>> http://www.shellgas.co.uk/site/page/29/lang/en
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
I guess an automatic fuel pump cutoff would be a good idea for modern
gasoline-powered vehicles, eh, Bill?
Last year I remember an article in a 4wd mag about a propane conversion to
an AMC v-8. The gas shutoff valve was vacuum-operated...no engine vacuum, no
gas flow.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:433B13D8.D3F754D9@***.net...
> An electro-magnetic autogas shut-off valve. Now if the accident
> victim will only wake up long enough to shut off the ignition to
> activate it.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> off you go ! your widow can tell us how you get on.
>>
>> The stoichiometric ratio is the ideal combustion process during which a
>> fuel
>> is burned completely; not the only ratio at which it will ignite as you
>> well
>> know.
>>
>> btw, Shell disagrees with you over the safety of lpg and petrol:
>> http://www.shellgas.co.uk/site/page/29/lang/en
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
gasoline-powered vehicles, eh, Bill?
Last year I remember an article in a 4wd mag about a propane conversion to
an AMC v-8. The gas shutoff valve was vacuum-operated...no engine vacuum, no
gas flow.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:433B13D8.D3F754D9@***.net...
> An electro-magnetic autogas shut-off valve. Now if the accident
> victim will only wake up long enough to shut off the ignition to
> activate it.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> off you go ! your widow can tell us how you get on.
>>
>> The stoichiometric ratio is the ideal combustion process during which a
>> fuel
>> is burned completely; not the only ratio at which it will ignite as you
>> well
>> know.
>>
>> btw, Shell disagrees with you over the safety of lpg and petrol:
>> http://www.shellgas.co.uk/site/page/29/lang/en
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
Guest
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
I guess an automatic fuel pump cutoff would be a good idea for modern
gasoline-powered vehicles, eh, Bill?
Last year I remember an article in a 4wd mag about a propane conversion to
an AMC v-8. The gas shutoff valve was vacuum-operated...no engine vacuum, no
gas flow.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:433B13D8.D3F754D9@***.net...
> An electro-magnetic autogas shut-off valve. Now if the accident
> victim will only wake up long enough to shut off the ignition to
> activate it.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> off you go ! your widow can tell us how you get on.
>>
>> The stoichiometric ratio is the ideal combustion process during which a
>> fuel
>> is burned completely; not the only ratio at which it will ignite as you
>> well
>> know.
>>
>> btw, Shell disagrees with you over the safety of lpg and petrol:
>> http://www.shellgas.co.uk/site/page/29/lang/en
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
gasoline-powered vehicles, eh, Bill?
Last year I remember an article in a 4wd mag about a propane conversion to
an AMC v-8. The gas shutoff valve was vacuum-operated...no engine vacuum, no
gas flow.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:433B13D8.D3F754D9@***.net...
> An electro-magnetic autogas shut-off valve. Now if the accident
> victim will only wake up long enough to shut off the ignition to
> activate it.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> off you go ! your widow can tell us how you get on.
>>
>> The stoichiometric ratio is the ideal combustion process during which a
>> fuel
>> is burned completely; not the only ratio at which it will ignite as you
>> well
>> know.
>>
>> btw, Shell disagrees with you over the safety of lpg and petrol:
>> http://www.shellgas.co.uk/site/page/29/lang/en
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Gasoline burns it doesn't explode like gas.
It's too windy today to record the extinguish of a match. At least
you understand we have to hold the match in the fumes. And a lot longer
than you may thing, it doesn't ignite quickly like a two thousand degree
spark, like that used to ignite a barbecue. I found this out by accident
while try to demonstrate fire extinguishers for sale and demonstrated it
many times over.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> What would you call a gasoline tank?
>
> But the fumes will burn readily. Care to demonstrate your matc
It's too windy today to record the extinguish of a match. At least
you understand we have to hold the match in the fumes. And a lot longer
than you may thing, it doesn't ignite quickly like a two thousand degree
spark, like that used to ignite a barbecue. I found this out by accident
while try to demonstrate fire extinguishers for sale and demonstrated it
many times over.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> What would you call a gasoline tank?
>
> But the fumes will burn readily. Care to demonstrate your matc
Guest
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Gasoline burns it doesn't explode like gas.
It's too windy today to record the extinguish of a match. At least
you understand we have to hold the match in the fumes. And a lot longer
than you may thing, it doesn't ignite quickly like a two thousand degree
spark, like that used to ignite a barbecue. I found this out by accident
while try to demonstrate fire extinguishers for sale and demonstrated it
many times over.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> What would you call a gasoline tank?
>
> But the fumes will burn readily. Care to demonstrate your matc
It's too windy today to record the extinguish of a match. At least
you understand we have to hold the match in the fumes. And a lot longer
than you may thing, it doesn't ignite quickly like a two thousand degree
spark, like that used to ignite a barbecue. I found this out by accident
while try to demonstrate fire extinguishers for sale and demonstrated it
many times over.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> What would you call a gasoline tank?
>
> But the fumes will burn readily. Care to demonstrate your matc
Guest
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Gasoline burns it doesn't explode like gas.
It's too windy today to record the extinguish of a match. At least
you understand we have to hold the match in the fumes. And a lot longer
than you may thing, it doesn't ignite quickly like a two thousand degree
spark, like that used to ignite a barbecue. I found this out by accident
while try to demonstrate fire extinguishers for sale and demonstrated it
many times over.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> What would you call a gasoline tank?
>
> But the fumes will burn readily. Care to demonstrate your matc
It's too windy today to record the extinguish of a match. At least
you understand we have to hold the match in the fumes. And a lot longer
than you may thing, it doesn't ignite quickly like a two thousand degree
spark, like that used to ignite a barbecue. I found this out by accident
while try to demonstrate fire extinguishers for sale and demonstrated it
many times over.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> What would you call a gasoline tank?
>
> But the fumes will burn readily. Care to demonstrate your matc
