Ya ready for diesel yet?
09-15-2005, 10:32 PM
#561
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Re: Off Topic Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Things I have learned from watching the news about Hurricane Katrina on
TV
1. The hurricane only hit black family's property.
2. New Orleans was devastated and no other city was affected by
the hurricane.
3. Mississippi is reported to have a tree blown down.
4. New Orleans has no white people.
5. The hurricane blew a limb off a tree in the yard of an Alabama
resident.
6. When you are hungry after a hurricane steal a big screen TV.
7. The hurricane did 23 billion dollars in improvements to New
Orleans: now the city is
welfare, looters and gang free and they are in your city.
8. White folks don't make good news stories.
9. Don't give thanks to the thousands that came to help rescue you,
instead
bitch because the government hasn't given you a debit card yet.
10. Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
efforts.
11. Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get
you and give
you money for being stupid.
12. Damn, I feel so sorry for all those black folks.
13. Oh, and it is all George Bush's fault.
TV
1. The hurricane only hit black family's property.
2. New Orleans was devastated and no other city was affected by
the hurricane.
3. Mississippi is reported to have a tree blown down.
4. New Orleans has no white people.
5. The hurricane blew a limb off a tree in the yard of an Alabama
resident.
6. When you are hungry after a hurricane steal a big screen TV.
7. The hurricane did 23 billion dollars in improvements to New
Orleans: now the city is
welfare, looters and gang free and they are in your city.
8. White folks don't make good news stories.
9. Don't give thanks to the thousands that came to help rescue you,
instead
bitch because the government hasn't given you a debit card yet.
10. Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
efforts.
11. Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get
you and give
you money for being stupid.
12. Damn, I feel so sorry for all those black folks.
13. Oh, and it is all George Bush's fault.
09-15-2005, 10:32 PM
#562
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Posts: n/a
Re: Off Topic Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Things I have learned from watching the news about Hurricane Katrina on
TV
1. The hurricane only hit black family's property.
2. New Orleans was devastated and no other city was affected by
the hurricane.
3. Mississippi is reported to have a tree blown down.
4. New Orleans has no white people.
5. The hurricane blew a limb off a tree in the yard of an Alabama
resident.
6. When you are hungry after a hurricane steal a big screen TV.
7. The hurricane did 23 billion dollars in improvements to New
Orleans: now the city is
welfare, looters and gang free and they are in your city.
8. White folks don't make good news stories.
9. Don't give thanks to the thousands that came to help rescue you,
instead
bitch because the government hasn't given you a debit card yet.
10. Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
efforts.
11. Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get
you and give
you money for being stupid.
12. Damn, I feel so sorry for all those black folks.
13. Oh, and it is all George Bush's fault.
TV
1. The hurricane only hit black family's property.
2. New Orleans was devastated and no other city was affected by
the hurricane.
3. Mississippi is reported to have a tree blown down.
4. New Orleans has no white people.
5. The hurricane blew a limb off a tree in the yard of an Alabama
resident.
6. When you are hungry after a hurricane steal a big screen TV.
7. The hurricane did 23 billion dollars in improvements to New
Orleans: now the city is
welfare, looters and gang free and they are in your city.
8. White folks don't make good news stories.
9. Don't give thanks to the thousands that came to help rescue you,
instead
bitch because the government hasn't given you a debit card yet.
10. Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
efforts.
11. Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get
you and give
you money for being stupid.
12. Damn, I feel so sorry for all those black folks.
13. Oh, and it is all George Bush's fault.
09-15-2005, 10:32 PM
#563
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Posts: n/a
Re: Off Topic Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Things I have learned from watching the news about Hurricane Katrina on
TV
1. The hurricane only hit black family's property.
2. New Orleans was devastated and no other city was affected by
the hurricane.
3. Mississippi is reported to have a tree blown down.
4. New Orleans has no white people.
5. The hurricane blew a limb off a tree in the yard of an Alabama
resident.
6. When you are hungry after a hurricane steal a big screen TV.
7. The hurricane did 23 billion dollars in improvements to New
Orleans: now the city is
welfare, looters and gang free and they are in your city.
8. White folks don't make good news stories.
9. Don't give thanks to the thousands that came to help rescue you,
instead
bitch because the government hasn't given you a debit card yet.
10. Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
efforts.
11. Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get
you and give
you money for being stupid.
12. Damn, I feel so sorry for all those black folks.
13. Oh, and it is all George Bush's fault.
TV
1. The hurricane only hit black family's property.
2. New Orleans was devastated and no other city was affected by
the hurricane.
3. Mississippi is reported to have a tree blown down.
4. New Orleans has no white people.
5. The hurricane blew a limb off a tree in the yard of an Alabama
resident.
6. When you are hungry after a hurricane steal a big screen TV.
7. The hurricane did 23 billion dollars in improvements to New
Orleans: now the city is
welfare, looters and gang free and they are in your city.
8. White folks don't make good news stories.
9. Don't give thanks to the thousands that came to help rescue you,
instead
bitch because the government hasn't given you a debit card yet.
10. Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
efforts.
11. Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get
you and give
you money for being stupid.
12. Damn, I feel so sorry for all those black folks.
13. Oh, and it is all George Bush's fault.
09-16-2005, 01:30 AM
#564
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Re: Off Topic Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Have you ever been through one of these mass evacuation goatropes? I
mean down and dirty, get-the-hell-outta-Dodge melees. They are like a
battle and (to quote one old General) the first casualty of any war is
the battle plan. To be successful, you have to have two things above
all: reliable communications and a focus point. Next in line is a
willing population - and I also know enough holdouts to say that the
presence of this element is highly questionable even with the first
two iniatially in place. Yes, the histrionics started a bit late - but
I personally know too many people down there that were comfortable in
Memphis or Tyler or some other place well before the shouting started
because they made rational decisions early (in one case, a 70 year old
lady caring for her 88 year old mother - no car, living the the ninth
ward). If nothing else, Nagin stood there and made himself a target
while trying to get the last stragglers to leave and he did get a lot
of them to at least compromise and seek local shelter. His use of
staff and planning is another topic, but without his hammering there
would have been a lot more bodies floating around Tuesday morning.
We will probably never see it, but I suspect that a decent
after-action report would show that all the way up the line there were
good decisions and bad decisions - by everyone in the chain. I don't
subscribe to the black-and-white no-gray crap we are being fed in the
media soundbytes but I doubt we will ever see a truly analytical
report simply because of the politics.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:09:24 UTC Brian <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-pP29dSyHghRZ@anon.none.net>,
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > He might as well move. Some pretty big guns are trained on the
> > bullseye he sits on about now.
> >
> > I still think he did one helluva job getting the evacuation
> > accomplished - but he won a battle at the cost of the war.
> >
>
> Will, you are being sarcastic, right? Mayor Nagin & his emergency chief,
> Ebbert, didn't even attempt to implement the evacuation plan. Did you
> see all those buses sitting flooded? They were supposed to take people
> out of the city, according to the city's official plan.
>
> B
>
--
Will Honea
mean down and dirty, get-the-hell-outta-Dodge melees. They are like a
battle and (to quote one old General) the first casualty of any war is
the battle plan. To be successful, you have to have two things above
all: reliable communications and a focus point. Next in line is a
willing population - and I also know enough holdouts to say that the
presence of this element is highly questionable even with the first
two iniatially in place. Yes, the histrionics started a bit late - but
I personally know too many people down there that were comfortable in
Memphis or Tyler or some other place well before the shouting started
because they made rational decisions early (in one case, a 70 year old
lady caring for her 88 year old mother - no car, living the the ninth
ward). If nothing else, Nagin stood there and made himself a target
while trying to get the last stragglers to leave and he did get a lot
of them to at least compromise and seek local shelter. His use of
staff and planning is another topic, but without his hammering there
would have been a lot more bodies floating around Tuesday morning.
We will probably never see it, but I suspect that a decent
after-action report would show that all the way up the line there were
good decisions and bad decisions - by everyone in the chain. I don't
subscribe to the black-and-white no-gray crap we are being fed in the
media soundbytes but I doubt we will ever see a truly analytical
report simply because of the politics.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:09:24 UTC Brian <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-pP29dSyHghRZ@anon.none.net>,
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > He might as well move. Some pretty big guns are trained on the
> > bullseye he sits on about now.
> >
> > I still think he did one helluva job getting the evacuation
> > accomplished - but he won a battle at the cost of the war.
> >
>
> Will, you are being sarcastic, right? Mayor Nagin & his emergency chief,
> Ebbert, didn't even attempt to implement the evacuation plan. Did you
> see all those buses sitting flooded? They were supposed to take people
> out of the city, according to the city's official plan.
>
> B
>
--
Will Honea
09-16-2005, 01:30 AM
#565
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Off Topic Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Have you ever been through one of these mass evacuation goatropes? I
mean down and dirty, get-the-hell-outta-Dodge melees. They are like a
battle and (to quote one old General) the first casualty of any war is
the battle plan. To be successful, you have to have two things above
all: reliable communications and a focus point. Next in line is a
willing population - and I also know enough holdouts to say that the
presence of this element is highly questionable even with the first
two iniatially in place. Yes, the histrionics started a bit late - but
I personally know too many people down there that were comfortable in
Memphis or Tyler or some other place well before the shouting started
because they made rational decisions early (in one case, a 70 year old
lady caring for her 88 year old mother - no car, living the the ninth
ward). If nothing else, Nagin stood there and made himself a target
while trying to get the last stragglers to leave and he did get a lot
of them to at least compromise and seek local shelter. His use of
staff and planning is another topic, but without his hammering there
would have been a lot more bodies floating around Tuesday morning.
We will probably never see it, but I suspect that a decent
after-action report would show that all the way up the line there were
good decisions and bad decisions - by everyone in the chain. I don't
subscribe to the black-and-white no-gray crap we are being fed in the
media soundbytes but I doubt we will ever see a truly analytical
report simply because of the politics.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:09:24 UTC Brian <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-pP29dSyHghRZ@anon.none.net>,
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > He might as well move. Some pretty big guns are trained on the
> > bullseye he sits on about now.
> >
> > I still think he did one helluva job getting the evacuation
> > accomplished - but he won a battle at the cost of the war.
> >
>
> Will, you are being sarcastic, right? Mayor Nagin & his emergency chief,
> Ebbert, didn't even attempt to implement the evacuation plan. Did you
> see all those buses sitting flooded? They were supposed to take people
> out of the city, according to the city's official plan.
>
> B
>
--
Will Honea
mean down and dirty, get-the-hell-outta-Dodge melees. They are like a
battle and (to quote one old General) the first casualty of any war is
the battle plan. To be successful, you have to have two things above
all: reliable communications and a focus point. Next in line is a
willing population - and I also know enough holdouts to say that the
presence of this element is highly questionable even with the first
two iniatially in place. Yes, the histrionics started a bit late - but
I personally know too many people down there that were comfortable in
Memphis or Tyler or some other place well before the shouting started
because they made rational decisions early (in one case, a 70 year old
lady caring for her 88 year old mother - no car, living the the ninth
ward). If nothing else, Nagin stood there and made himself a target
while trying to get the last stragglers to leave and he did get a lot
of them to at least compromise and seek local shelter. His use of
staff and planning is another topic, but without his hammering there
would have been a lot more bodies floating around Tuesday morning.
We will probably never see it, but I suspect that a decent
after-action report would show that all the way up the line there were
good decisions and bad decisions - by everyone in the chain. I don't
subscribe to the black-and-white no-gray crap we are being fed in the
media soundbytes but I doubt we will ever see a truly analytical
report simply because of the politics.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:09:24 UTC Brian <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-pP29dSyHghRZ@anon.none.net>,
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > He might as well move. Some pretty big guns are trained on the
> > bullseye he sits on about now.
> >
> > I still think he did one helluva job getting the evacuation
> > accomplished - but he won a battle at the cost of the war.
> >
>
> Will, you are being sarcastic, right? Mayor Nagin & his emergency chief,
> Ebbert, didn't even attempt to implement the evacuation plan. Did you
> see all those buses sitting flooded? They were supposed to take people
> out of the city, according to the city's official plan.
>
> B
>
--
Will Honea
09-16-2005, 01:30 AM
#566
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Re: Off Topic Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Have you ever been through one of these mass evacuation goatropes? I
mean down and dirty, get-the-hell-outta-Dodge melees. They are like a
battle and (to quote one old General) the first casualty of any war is
the battle plan. To be successful, you have to have two things above
all: reliable communications and a focus point. Next in line is a
willing population - and I also know enough holdouts to say that the
presence of this element is highly questionable even with the first
two iniatially in place. Yes, the histrionics started a bit late - but
I personally know too many people down there that were comfortable in
Memphis or Tyler or some other place well before the shouting started
because they made rational decisions early (in one case, a 70 year old
lady caring for her 88 year old mother - no car, living the the ninth
ward). If nothing else, Nagin stood there and made himself a target
while trying to get the last stragglers to leave and he did get a lot
of them to at least compromise and seek local shelter. His use of
staff and planning is another topic, but without his hammering there
would have been a lot more bodies floating around Tuesday morning.
We will probably never see it, but I suspect that a decent
after-action report would show that all the way up the line there were
good decisions and bad decisions - by everyone in the chain. I don't
subscribe to the black-and-white no-gray crap we are being fed in the
media soundbytes but I doubt we will ever see a truly analytical
report simply because of the politics.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:09:24 UTC Brian <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-pP29dSyHghRZ@anon.none.net>,
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > He might as well move. Some pretty big guns are trained on the
> > bullseye he sits on about now.
> >
> > I still think he did one helluva job getting the evacuation
> > accomplished - but he won a battle at the cost of the war.
> >
>
> Will, you are being sarcastic, right? Mayor Nagin & his emergency chief,
> Ebbert, didn't even attempt to implement the evacuation plan. Did you
> see all those buses sitting flooded? They were supposed to take people
> out of the city, according to the city's official plan.
>
> B
>
--
Will Honea
mean down and dirty, get-the-hell-outta-Dodge melees. They are like a
battle and (to quote one old General) the first casualty of any war is
the battle plan. To be successful, you have to have two things above
all: reliable communications and a focus point. Next in line is a
willing population - and I also know enough holdouts to say that the
presence of this element is highly questionable even with the first
two iniatially in place. Yes, the histrionics started a bit late - but
I personally know too many people down there that were comfortable in
Memphis or Tyler or some other place well before the shouting started
because they made rational decisions early (in one case, a 70 year old
lady caring for her 88 year old mother - no car, living the the ninth
ward). If nothing else, Nagin stood there and made himself a target
while trying to get the last stragglers to leave and he did get a lot
of them to at least compromise and seek local shelter. His use of
staff and planning is another topic, but without his hammering there
would have been a lot more bodies floating around Tuesday morning.
We will probably never see it, but I suspect that a decent
after-action report would show that all the way up the line there were
good decisions and bad decisions - by everyone in the chain. I don't
subscribe to the black-and-white no-gray crap we are being fed in the
media soundbytes but I doubt we will ever see a truly analytical
report simply because of the politics.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:09:24 UTC Brian <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-pP29dSyHghRZ@anon.none.net>,
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > He might as well move. Some pretty big guns are trained on the
> > bullseye he sits on about now.
> >
> > I still think he did one helluva job getting the evacuation
> > accomplished - but he won a battle at the cost of the war.
> >
>
> Will, you are being sarcastic, right? Mayor Nagin & his emergency chief,
> Ebbert, didn't even attempt to implement the evacuation plan. Did you
> see all those buses sitting flooded? They were supposed to take people
> out of the city, according to the city's official plan.
>
> B
>
--
Will Honea
09-16-2005, 07:35 AM
#567
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Re: Off Topic Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Good for you, assuming the phones work. Think you'll be rebuilt in a week?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432A2084.4BA7C4A3@***.net...
> About the only thing I know for sure is my home will catch fire and
> burn to the ground.
> I think everyone out here is prepare with a weeks worth of water
> and groceries. And an out of state number to call. And of course I just
> bought another thousand rounds, it's a great appreciating investment,
> too.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Got it.
>>
>> I should hope when the Big One hits San Diego, you will love your family
>> enough to set up a temporary home elsewhere until your houses and schools
>> can be rebuilt.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432A2084.4BA7C4A3@***.net...
> About the only thing I know for sure is my home will catch fire and
> burn to the ground.
> I think everyone out here is prepare with a weeks worth of water
> and groceries. And an out of state number to call. And of course I just
> bought another thousand rounds, it's a great appreciating investment,
> too.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Got it.
>>
>> I should hope when the Big One hits San Diego, you will love your family
>> enough to set up a temporary home elsewhere until your houses and schools
>> can be rebuilt.
09-16-2005, 07:35 AM
#568
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Re: Off Topic Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Good for you, assuming the phones work. Think you'll be rebuilt in a week?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432A2084.4BA7C4A3@***.net...
> About the only thing I know for sure is my home will catch fire and
> burn to the ground.
> I think everyone out here is prepare with a weeks worth of water
> and groceries. And an out of state number to call. And of course I just
> bought another thousand rounds, it's a great appreciating investment,
> too.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Got it.
>>
>> I should hope when the Big One hits San Diego, you will love your family
>> enough to set up a temporary home elsewhere until your houses and schools
>> can be rebuilt.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432A2084.4BA7C4A3@***.net...
> About the only thing I know for sure is my home will catch fire and
> burn to the ground.
> I think everyone out here is prepare with a weeks worth of water
> and groceries. And an out of state number to call. And of course I just
> bought another thousand rounds, it's a great appreciating investment,
> too.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Got it.
>>
>> I should hope when the Big One hits San Diego, you will love your family
>> enough to set up a temporary home elsewhere until your houses and schools
>> can be rebuilt.
09-16-2005, 07:35 AM
#569
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Re: Off Topic Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Good for you, assuming the phones work. Think you'll be rebuilt in a week?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432A2084.4BA7C4A3@***.net...
> About the only thing I know for sure is my home will catch fire and
> burn to the ground.
> I think everyone out here is prepare with a weeks worth of water
> and groceries. And an out of state number to call. And of course I just
> bought another thousand rounds, it's a great appreciating investment,
> too.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Got it.
>>
>> I should hope when the Big One hits San Diego, you will love your family
>> enough to set up a temporary home elsewhere until your houses and schools
>> can be rebuilt.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432A2084.4BA7C4A3@***.net...
> About the only thing I know for sure is my home will catch fire and
> burn to the ground.
> I think everyone out here is prepare with a weeks worth of water
> and groceries. And an out of state number to call. And of course I just
> bought another thousand rounds, it's a great appreciating investment,
> too.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Got it.
>>
>> I should hope when the Big One hits San Diego, you will love your family
>> enough to set up a temporary home elsewhere until your houses and schools
>> can be rebuilt.
09-16-2005, 07:42 AM
#570
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Re: Off Topic Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
You must have been listening to Rush complaining about CNN's coverage. Only
thing is, it doens't sound like either of you actually watched it.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432A2EA5.83923403@***.net...
> Things I have learned from watching the news about Hurricane Katrina on
> TV
>
> 1. The hurricane only hit black family's property.
>
> 2. New Orleans was devastated and no other city was affected by
> the hurricane.
>
> 3. Mississippi is reported to have a tree blown down.
>
> 4. New Orleans has no white people.
>
> 5. The hurricane blew a limb off a tree in the yard of an Alabama
> resident.
>
> 6. When you are hungry after a hurricane steal a big screen TV.
>
> 7. The hurricane did 23 billion dollars in improvements to New
> Orleans: now the city is
> welfare, looters and gang free and they are in your city.
>
> 8. White folks don't make good news stories.
>
> 9. Don't give thanks to the thousands that came to help rescue you,
> instead
> bitch because the government hasn't given you a debit card yet.
>
> 10. Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
> efforts.
>
> 11. Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get
> you and give
> you money for being stupid.
>
> 12. Damn, I feel so sorry for all those black folks.
>
> 13. Oh, and it is all George Bush's fault.
thing is, it doens't sound like either of you actually watched it.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432A2EA5.83923403@***.net...
> Things I have learned from watching the news about Hurricane Katrina on
> TV
>
> 1. The hurricane only hit black family's property.
>
> 2. New Orleans was devastated and no other city was affected by
> the hurricane.
>
> 3. Mississippi is reported to have a tree blown down.
>
> 4. New Orleans has no white people.
>
> 5. The hurricane blew a limb off a tree in the yard of an Alabama
> resident.
>
> 6. When you are hungry after a hurricane steal a big screen TV.
>
> 7. The hurricane did 23 billion dollars in improvements to New
> Orleans: now the city is
> welfare, looters and gang free and they are in your city.
>
> 8. White folks don't make good news stories.
>
> 9. Don't give thanks to the thousands that came to help rescue you,
> instead
> bitch because the government hasn't given you a debit card yet.
>
> 10. Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
> efforts.
>
> 11. Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get
> you and give
> you money for being stupid.
>
> 12. Damn, I feel so sorry for all those black folks.
>
> 13. Oh, and it is all George Bush's fault.
