XJ clutch not disengaging completely
08-07-2007, 11:25 AM
#11
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Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
How do I check/change the tranny fluid?
Ivan
On 2007-08-07, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> What Earl said about the external slave cylinder. Change both master and
> slave, bleed the system.
>
> Change the tranny fluid also. If the old tranny fluid is the least bit
> milky or green, consider running it the new fluid for a few miles and
> then changing it again.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
>> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
>> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help
>> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you
>> don't know what is going on.
>>
>> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
>> symptoms don't sound normal though.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:slrnfbf3us.ulp.aij+nospam@tellurium.club.cc.c mu.edu...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
>>> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
>>> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
>>> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
>>> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
>>> might be normal.
>>>
>>> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
>>> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
>>> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
>>> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
>>> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
>>> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>>>
>>> Any idea what could be causing this?
>>>
>>> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>>>
>>> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
>>> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
>>> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>>>
>>> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
>>> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
>>> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
>>> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ivan
>>
>>
Ivan
On 2007-08-07, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> What Earl said about the external slave cylinder. Change both master and
> slave, bleed the system.
>
> Change the tranny fluid also. If the old tranny fluid is the least bit
> milky or green, consider running it the new fluid for a few miles and
> then changing it again.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
>> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
>> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help
>> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you
>> don't know what is going on.
>>
>> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
>> symptoms don't sound normal though.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:slrnfbf3us.ulp.aij+nospam@tellurium.club.cc.c mu.edu...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
>>> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
>>> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
>>> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
>>> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
>>> might be normal.
>>>
>>> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
>>> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
>>> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
>>> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
>>> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
>>> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>>>
>>> Any idea what could be causing this?
>>>
>>> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>>>
>>> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
>>> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
>>> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>>>
>>> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
>>> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
>>> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
>>> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ivan
>>
>>
08-07-2007, 11:25 AM
#12
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Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
How do I check/change the tranny fluid?
Ivan
On 2007-08-07, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> What Earl said about the external slave cylinder. Change both master and
> slave, bleed the system.
>
> Change the tranny fluid also. If the old tranny fluid is the least bit
> milky or green, consider running it the new fluid for a few miles and
> then changing it again.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
>> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
>> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help
>> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you
>> don't know what is going on.
>>
>> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
>> symptoms don't sound normal though.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:slrnfbf3us.ulp.aij+nospam@tellurium.club.cc.c mu.edu...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
>>> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
>>> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
>>> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
>>> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
>>> might be normal.
>>>
>>> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
>>> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
>>> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
>>> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
>>> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
>>> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>>>
>>> Any idea what could be causing this?
>>>
>>> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>>>
>>> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
>>> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
>>> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>>>
>>> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
>>> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
>>> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
>>> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ivan
>>
>>
Ivan
On 2007-08-07, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> What Earl said about the external slave cylinder. Change both master and
> slave, bleed the system.
>
> Change the tranny fluid also. If the old tranny fluid is the least bit
> milky or green, consider running it the new fluid for a few miles and
> then changing it again.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
>> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
>> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help
>> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you
>> don't know what is going on.
>>
>> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
>> symptoms don't sound normal though.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:slrnfbf3us.ulp.aij+nospam@tellurium.club.cc.c mu.edu...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
>>> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
>>> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
>>> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
>>> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
>>> might be normal.
>>>
>>> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
>>> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
>>> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
>>> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
>>> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
>>> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>>>
>>> Any idea what could be causing this?
>>>
>>> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>>>
>>> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
>>> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
>>> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>>>
>>> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
>>> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
>>> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
>>> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ivan
>>
>>
08-07-2007, 11:25 AM
#13
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Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
How do I check/change the tranny fluid?
Ivan
On 2007-08-07, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> What Earl said about the external slave cylinder. Change both master and
> slave, bleed the system.
>
> Change the tranny fluid also. If the old tranny fluid is the least bit
> milky or green, consider running it the new fluid for a few miles and
> then changing it again.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
>> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
>> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help
>> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you
>> don't know what is going on.
>>
>> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
>> symptoms don't sound normal though.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:slrnfbf3us.ulp.aij+nospam@tellurium.club.cc.c mu.edu...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
>>> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
>>> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
>>> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
>>> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
>>> might be normal.
>>>
>>> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
>>> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
>>> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
>>> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
>>> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
>>> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>>>
>>> Any idea what could be causing this?
>>>
>>> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>>>
>>> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
>>> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
>>> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>>>
>>> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
>>> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
>>> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
>>> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ivan
>>
>>
Ivan
On 2007-08-07, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> What Earl said about the external slave cylinder. Change both master and
> slave, bleed the system.
>
> Change the tranny fluid also. If the old tranny fluid is the least bit
> milky or green, consider running it the new fluid for a few miles and
> then changing it again.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
>> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
>> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help
>> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you
>> don't know what is going on.
>>
>> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
>> symptoms don't sound normal though.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Ivan Jager" <aij+nospam@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:slrnfbf3us.ulp.aij+nospam@tellurium.club.cc.c mu.edu...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
>>> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
>>> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
>>> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
>>> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
>>> might be normal.
>>>
>>> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
>>> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
>>> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
>>> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
>>> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
>>> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>>>
>>> Any idea what could be causing this?
>>>
>>> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>>>
>>> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
>>> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
>>> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>>>
>>> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
>>> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
>>> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
>>> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ivan
>>
>>
08-07-2007, 11:33 AM
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Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
Ivan Jager wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
> might be normal.
>
> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>
> Any idea what could be causing this?
>
> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>
> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>
> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan
I would first check the tranny fluid out for water or not enough. The
wrong kind of fluid can also affect the syncros.
Jeep didn't put a high water vent line on the tranny like they did for
the T-case and diffs so it is kinda usual to find them full of water and
mud...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
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> Hi,
>
> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
> might be normal.
>
> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>
> Any idea what could be causing this?
>
> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>
> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>
> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan
I would first check the tranny fluid out for water or not enough. The
wrong kind of fluid can also affect the syncros.
Jeep didn't put a high water vent line on the tranny like they did for
the T-case and diffs so it is kinda usual to find them full of water and
mud...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
08-07-2007, 11:33 AM
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Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
Ivan Jager wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
> might be normal.
>
> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>
> Any idea what could be causing this?
>
> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>
> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>
> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan
I would first check the tranny fluid out for water or not enough. The
wrong kind of fluid can also affect the syncros.
Jeep didn't put a high water vent line on the tranny like they did for
the T-case and diffs so it is kinda usual to find them full of water and
mud...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> Hi,
>
> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
> might be normal.
>
> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>
> Any idea what could be causing this?
>
> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>
> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>
> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan
I would first check the tranny fluid out for water or not enough. The
wrong kind of fluid can also affect the syncros.
Jeep didn't put a high water vent line on the tranny like they did for
the T-case and diffs so it is kinda usual to find them full of water and
mud...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
08-07-2007, 11:33 AM
#16
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Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
Ivan Jager wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
> might be normal.
>
> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>
> Any idea what could be causing this?
>
> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>
> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>
> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan
I would first check the tranny fluid out for water or not enough. The
wrong kind of fluid can also affect the syncros.
Jeep didn't put a high water vent line on the tranny like they did for
the T-case and diffs so it is kinda usual to find them full of water and
mud...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> Hi,
>
> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
> might be normal.
>
> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>
> Any idea what could be causing this?
>
> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>
> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>
> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan
I would first check the tranny fluid out for water or not enough. The
wrong kind of fluid can also affect the syncros.
Jeep didn't put a high water vent line on the tranny like they did for
the T-case and diffs so it is kinda usual to find them full of water and
mud...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
08-07-2007, 11:33 AM
#17
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Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
Ivan Jager wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
> might be normal.
>
> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>
> Any idea what could be causing this?
>
> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>
> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>
> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan
I would first check the tranny fluid out for water or not enough. The
wrong kind of fluid can also affect the syncros.
Jeep didn't put a high water vent line on the tranny like they did for
the T-case and diffs so it is kinda usual to find them full of water and
mud...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
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> Hi,
>
> I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
> the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
> often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
> doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
> spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
> might be normal.
>
> The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
> Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
> when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
> the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
> without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
> seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
>
> Any idea what could be causing this?
>
> The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
>
> Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
> stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
> 1krpm while engaging the clutch.
>
> Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
> transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
> the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
> don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan
I would first check the tranny fluid out for water or not enough. The
wrong kind of fluid can also affect the syncros.
Jeep didn't put a high water vent line on the tranny like they did for
the T-case and diffs so it is kinda usual to find them full of water and
mud...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
08-10-2007, 12:07 PM
#18
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Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
On 2007-08-06, Earle Horton <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote:
> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help
> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you
> don't know what is going on.
>
> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
> symptoms don't sound normal though.
Do I need to remove the slave cylinder in order to bleed the system? I
was expecting there to be place to attach a hose, and some sort of
valve, but it's just a black plastic cylinder. There's a small bit of
plastic sticking out the top, but it didn't feel like it was anything
useful.
BTW, I've never bleed a hydraulic system before.
Ivan
> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help
> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you
> don't know what is going on.
>
> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
> symptoms don't sound normal though.
Do I need to remove the slave cylinder in order to bleed the system? I
was expecting there to be place to attach a hose, and some sort of
valve, but it's just a black plastic cylinder. There's a small bit of
plastic sticking out the top, but it didn't feel like it was anything
useful.
BTW, I've never bleed a hydraulic system before.
Ivan
08-10-2007, 12:07 PM
#19
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Posts: n/a
Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
On 2007-08-06, Earle Horton <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote:
> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help
> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you
> don't know what is going on.
>
> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
> symptoms don't sound normal though.
Do I need to remove the slave cylinder in order to bleed the system? I
was expecting there to be place to attach a hose, and some sort of
valve, but it's just a black plastic cylinder. There's a small bit of
plastic sticking out the top, but it didn't feel like it was anything
useful.
BTW, I've never bleed a hydraulic system before.
Ivan
> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help
> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you
> don't know what is going on.
>
> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
> symptoms don't sound normal though.
Do I need to remove the slave cylinder in order to bleed the system? I
was expecting there to be place to attach a hose, and some sort of
valve, but it's just a black plastic cylinder. There's a small bit of
plastic sticking out the top, but it didn't feel like it was anything
useful.
BTW, I've never bleed a hydraulic system before.
Ivan
08-10-2007, 12:07 PM
#20
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Posts: n/a
Re: XJ clutch not disengaging completely
On 2007-08-06, Earle Horton <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote:
> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help
> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you
> don't know what is going on.
>
> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
> symptoms don't sound normal though.
Do I need to remove the slave cylinder in order to bleed the system? I
was expecting there to be place to attach a hose, and some sort of
valve, but it's just a black plastic cylinder. There's a small bit of
plastic sticking out the top, but it didn't feel like it was anything
useful.
BTW, I've never bleed a hydraulic system before.
Ivan
> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
> master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help
> too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you
> don't know what is going on.
>
> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
> symptoms don't sound normal though.
Do I need to remove the slave cylinder in order to bleed the system? I
was expecting there to be place to attach a hose, and some sort of
valve, but it's just a black plastic cylinder. There's a small bit of
plastic sticking out the top, but it didn't feel like it was anything
useful.
BTW, I've never bleed a hydraulic system before.
Ivan