WTF happened to 5th gear?
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Re: WTF happened to 5th gear?
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:56:27 UTC Old Crow <walliscrow@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:21:41 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >When my Honda blew 5th gear, the shop guy said pretty much the same thing.
> >The gear cluster was actually outside the case of the trans under a stamped
> >steel cover. The trouble was the gear was worn smooth, and the teeth were
> >inside the trans. Sorry for the bad news, hope your troubles turn ouot to
> >not be as bad as mine, but they problably will be.
> >
> >You have the Peugot trans, and it sucks. It is not worth repairing, really.
> >Now is the time to swap out some parts and make it better.
> >
>
> Yeah, if I hadn't spent every spare cent I had on my new shop, I might
> upgrade...as it is, at least I have a nice building, with a concrete
> floor to lay on while I repair what I've got. If I ever get to it.
> We've been having a heat wave down here, and by the time I spend 9
> hours working in a 100 degree dealership shop, then 90 minutes on the
> bike riding home, when I hit the front door and the 72 degree house,
> all I want to do is take a shower and down a beer or two. After that,
> who wants to go out and work on some old greasy, broken Jeep? Oh
> well, I'll be OK as long as the rain holds off<g>.
Heh! I blew the BA 10/5 in mine and it was cheaper to buy a rebuilt
AX15 with all the necessary pieces to do the swap than it was to
rebuild that Puegot POS.
I can relate to the temp thing, tho. Blew an alternator the other day
passing through Salina, KS with 95+ on the thermometer and decided to
let a local mechanic earn his pay rather than crawling under in that
temp!
--
Will Honea
wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:21:41 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >When my Honda blew 5th gear, the shop guy said pretty much the same thing.
> >The gear cluster was actually outside the case of the trans under a stamped
> >steel cover. The trouble was the gear was worn smooth, and the teeth were
> >inside the trans. Sorry for the bad news, hope your troubles turn ouot to
> >not be as bad as mine, but they problably will be.
> >
> >You have the Peugot trans, and it sucks. It is not worth repairing, really.
> >Now is the time to swap out some parts and make it better.
> >
>
> Yeah, if I hadn't spent every spare cent I had on my new shop, I might
> upgrade...as it is, at least I have a nice building, with a concrete
> floor to lay on while I repair what I've got. If I ever get to it.
> We've been having a heat wave down here, and by the time I spend 9
> hours working in a 100 degree dealership shop, then 90 minutes on the
> bike riding home, when I hit the front door and the 72 degree house,
> all I want to do is take a shower and down a beer or two. After that,
> who wants to go out and work on some old greasy, broken Jeep? Oh
> well, I'll be OK as long as the rain holds off<g>.
Heh! I blew the BA 10/5 in mine and it was cheaper to buy a rebuilt
AX15 with all the necessary pieces to do the swap than it was to
rebuild that Puegot POS.
I can relate to the temp thing, tho. Blew an alternator the other day
passing through Salina, KS with 95+ on the thermometer and decided to
let a local mechanic earn his pay rather than crawling under in that
temp!
--
Will Honea
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Re: WTF happened to 5th gear?
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:56:27 UTC Old Crow <walliscrow@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:21:41 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >When my Honda blew 5th gear, the shop guy said pretty much the same thing.
> >The gear cluster was actually outside the case of the trans under a stamped
> >steel cover. The trouble was the gear was worn smooth, and the teeth were
> >inside the trans. Sorry for the bad news, hope your troubles turn ouot to
> >not be as bad as mine, but they problably will be.
> >
> >You have the Peugot trans, and it sucks. It is not worth repairing, really.
> >Now is the time to swap out some parts and make it better.
> >
>
> Yeah, if I hadn't spent every spare cent I had on my new shop, I might
> upgrade...as it is, at least I have a nice building, with a concrete
> floor to lay on while I repair what I've got. If I ever get to it.
> We've been having a heat wave down here, and by the time I spend 9
> hours working in a 100 degree dealership shop, then 90 minutes on the
> bike riding home, when I hit the front door and the 72 degree house,
> all I want to do is take a shower and down a beer or two. After that,
> who wants to go out and work on some old greasy, broken Jeep? Oh
> well, I'll be OK as long as the rain holds off<g>.
Heh! I blew the BA 10/5 in mine and it was cheaper to buy a rebuilt
AX15 with all the necessary pieces to do the swap than it was to
rebuild that Puegot POS.
I can relate to the temp thing, tho. Blew an alternator the other day
passing through Salina, KS with 95+ on the thermometer and decided to
let a local mechanic earn his pay rather than crawling under in that
temp!
--
Will Honea
wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:21:41 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >When my Honda blew 5th gear, the shop guy said pretty much the same thing.
> >The gear cluster was actually outside the case of the trans under a stamped
> >steel cover. The trouble was the gear was worn smooth, and the teeth were
> >inside the trans. Sorry for the bad news, hope your troubles turn ouot to
> >not be as bad as mine, but they problably will be.
> >
> >You have the Peugot trans, and it sucks. It is not worth repairing, really.
> >Now is the time to swap out some parts and make it better.
> >
>
> Yeah, if I hadn't spent every spare cent I had on my new shop, I might
> upgrade...as it is, at least I have a nice building, with a concrete
> floor to lay on while I repair what I've got. If I ever get to it.
> We've been having a heat wave down here, and by the time I spend 9
> hours working in a 100 degree dealership shop, then 90 minutes on the
> bike riding home, when I hit the front door and the 72 degree house,
> all I want to do is take a shower and down a beer or two. After that,
> who wants to go out and work on some old greasy, broken Jeep? Oh
> well, I'll be OK as long as the rain holds off<g>.
Heh! I blew the BA 10/5 in mine and it was cheaper to buy a rebuilt
AX15 with all the necessary pieces to do the swap than it was to
rebuild that Puegot POS.
I can relate to the temp thing, tho. Blew an alternator the other day
passing through Salina, KS with 95+ on the thermometer and decided to
let a local mechanic earn his pay rather than crawling under in that
temp!
--
Will Honea
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Re: WTF happened to 5th gear?
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:56:27 UTC Old Crow <walliscrow@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:21:41 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >When my Honda blew 5th gear, the shop guy said pretty much the same thing.
> >The gear cluster was actually outside the case of the trans under a stamped
> >steel cover. The trouble was the gear was worn smooth, and the teeth were
> >inside the trans. Sorry for the bad news, hope your troubles turn ouot to
> >not be as bad as mine, but they problably will be.
> >
> >You have the Peugot trans, and it sucks. It is not worth repairing, really.
> >Now is the time to swap out some parts and make it better.
> >
>
> Yeah, if I hadn't spent every spare cent I had on my new shop, I might
> upgrade...as it is, at least I have a nice building, with a concrete
> floor to lay on while I repair what I've got. If I ever get to it.
> We've been having a heat wave down here, and by the time I spend 9
> hours working in a 100 degree dealership shop, then 90 minutes on the
> bike riding home, when I hit the front door and the 72 degree house,
> all I want to do is take a shower and down a beer or two. After that,
> who wants to go out and work on some old greasy, broken Jeep? Oh
> well, I'll be OK as long as the rain holds off<g>.
Heh! I blew the BA 10/5 in mine and it was cheaper to buy a rebuilt
AX15 with all the necessary pieces to do the swap than it was to
rebuild that Puegot POS.
I can relate to the temp thing, tho. Blew an alternator the other day
passing through Salina, KS with 95+ on the thermometer and decided to
let a local mechanic earn his pay rather than crawling under in that
temp!
--
Will Honea
wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:21:41 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >When my Honda blew 5th gear, the shop guy said pretty much the same thing.
> >The gear cluster was actually outside the case of the trans under a stamped
> >steel cover. The trouble was the gear was worn smooth, and the teeth were
> >inside the trans. Sorry for the bad news, hope your troubles turn ouot to
> >not be as bad as mine, but they problably will be.
> >
> >You have the Peugot trans, and it sucks. It is not worth repairing, really.
> >Now is the time to swap out some parts and make it better.
> >
>
> Yeah, if I hadn't spent every spare cent I had on my new shop, I might
> upgrade...as it is, at least I have a nice building, with a concrete
> floor to lay on while I repair what I've got. If I ever get to it.
> We've been having a heat wave down here, and by the time I spend 9
> hours working in a 100 degree dealership shop, then 90 minutes on the
> bike riding home, when I hit the front door and the 72 degree house,
> all I want to do is take a shower and down a beer or two. After that,
> who wants to go out and work on some old greasy, broken Jeep? Oh
> well, I'll be OK as long as the rain holds off<g>.
Heh! I blew the BA 10/5 in mine and it was cheaper to buy a rebuilt
AX15 with all the necessary pieces to do the swap than it was to
rebuild that Puegot POS.
I can relate to the temp thing, tho. Blew an alternator the other day
passing through Salina, KS with 95+ on the thermometer and decided to
let a local mechanic earn his pay rather than crawling under in that
temp!
--
Will Honea
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Re: WTF happened to 5th gear?(FIXED)
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:52:01 -0500, Old Crow <walliscrow@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>I was driving home from work today. Running about 45 mph down a hill
>in 5th gear. All of a sudden I realized that I had no drive in 5th
>gear. No noise, no vibration, nothing.
>1st-thru4th work fine, reverse works fine. As I said, no funny
>sounds, puddles of oil, vibrations or any other symptoms.
>You can move the shifter from neutral into 5th with the engine running
>and without putting your foot on the clutch.
>I'll tear into it on Sunday I guess, but maybe it'll be something
>simple. Yeah, right.
Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
housing will now come off in your hands.
The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
more for the fluid than the parts.
My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
but rain.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
wrote:
>I was driving home from work today. Running about 45 mph down a hill
>in 5th gear. All of a sudden I realized that I had no drive in 5th
>gear. No noise, no vibration, nothing.
>1st-thru4th work fine, reverse works fine. As I said, no funny
>sounds, puddles of oil, vibrations or any other symptoms.
>You can move the shifter from neutral into 5th with the engine running
>and without putting your foot on the clutch.
>I'll tear into it on Sunday I guess, but maybe it'll be something
>simple. Yeah, right.
Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
housing will now come off in your hands.
The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
more for the fluid than the parts.
My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
but rain.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
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Re: WTF happened to 5th gear?(FIXED)
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:52:01 -0500, Old Crow <walliscrow@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>I was driving home from work today. Running about 45 mph down a hill
>in 5th gear. All of a sudden I realized that I had no drive in 5th
>gear. No noise, no vibration, nothing.
>1st-thru4th work fine, reverse works fine. As I said, no funny
>sounds, puddles of oil, vibrations or any other symptoms.
>You can move the shifter from neutral into 5th with the engine running
>and without putting your foot on the clutch.
>I'll tear into it on Sunday I guess, but maybe it'll be something
>simple. Yeah, right.
Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
housing will now come off in your hands.
The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
more for the fluid than the parts.
My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
but rain.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
wrote:
>I was driving home from work today. Running about 45 mph down a hill
>in 5th gear. All of a sudden I realized that I had no drive in 5th
>gear. No noise, no vibration, nothing.
>1st-thru4th work fine, reverse works fine. As I said, no funny
>sounds, puddles of oil, vibrations or any other symptoms.
>You can move the shifter from neutral into 5th with the engine running
>and without putting your foot on the clutch.
>I'll tear into it on Sunday I guess, but maybe it'll be something
>simple. Yeah, right.
Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
housing will now come off in your hands.
The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
more for the fluid than the parts.
My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
but rain.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
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Re: WTF happened to 5th gear?(FIXED)
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:52:01 -0500, Old Crow <walliscrow@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>I was driving home from work today. Running about 45 mph down a hill
>in 5th gear. All of a sudden I realized that I had no drive in 5th
>gear. No noise, no vibration, nothing.
>1st-thru4th work fine, reverse works fine. As I said, no funny
>sounds, puddles of oil, vibrations or any other symptoms.
>You can move the shifter from neutral into 5th with the engine running
>and without putting your foot on the clutch.
>I'll tear into it on Sunday I guess, but maybe it'll be something
>simple. Yeah, right.
Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
housing will now come off in your hands.
The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
more for the fluid than the parts.
My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
but rain.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
wrote:
>I was driving home from work today. Running about 45 mph down a hill
>in 5th gear. All of a sudden I realized that I had no drive in 5th
>gear. No noise, no vibration, nothing.
>1st-thru4th work fine, reverse works fine. As I said, no funny
>sounds, puddles of oil, vibrations or any other symptoms.
>You can move the shifter from neutral into 5th with the engine running
>and without putting your foot on the clutch.
>I'll tear into it on Sunday I guess, but maybe it'll be something
>simple. Yeah, right.
Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
housing will now come off in your hands.
The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
more for the fluid than the parts.
My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
but rain.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
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Re: WTF happened to 5th gear?(FIXED)
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:52:01 -0500, Old Crow <walliscrow@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>I was driving home from work today. Running about 45 mph down a hill
>in 5th gear. All of a sudden I realized that I had no drive in 5th
>gear. No noise, no vibration, nothing.
>1st-thru4th work fine, reverse works fine. As I said, no funny
>sounds, puddles of oil, vibrations or any other symptoms.
>You can move the shifter from neutral into 5th with the engine running
>and without putting your foot on the clutch.
>I'll tear into it on Sunday I guess, but maybe it'll be something
>simple. Yeah, right.
Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
housing will now come off in your hands.
The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
more for the fluid than the parts.
My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
but rain.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
wrote:
>I was driving home from work today. Running about 45 mph down a hill
>in 5th gear. All of a sudden I realized that I had no drive in 5th
>gear. No noise, no vibration, nothing.
>1st-thru4th work fine, reverse works fine. As I said, no funny
>sounds, puddles of oil, vibrations or any other symptoms.
>You can move the shifter from neutral into 5th with the engine running
>and without putting your foot on the clutch.
>I'll tear into it on Sunday I guess, but maybe it'll be something
>simple. Yeah, right.
Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
housing will now come off in your hands.
The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
more for the fluid than the parts.
My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
but rain.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
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Re: WTF happened to 5th gear?(FIXED)
Thanks.
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Old Crow wrote:
>
> Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
>
> Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
> When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
> shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
> This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
> housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
> t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
> tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
> of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
> Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
> shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
> trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
> On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
> spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
> housing will now come off in your hands.
> The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
> captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
> control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
> when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
> pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
> factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
> the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
> Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
> it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
> more for the fluid than the parts.
>
> My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
> the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
> but rain.
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Old Crow wrote:
>
> Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
>
> Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
> When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
> shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
> This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
> housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
> t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
> tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
> of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
> Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
> shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
> trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
> On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
> spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
> housing will now come off in your hands.
> The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
> captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
> control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
> when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
> pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
> factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
> the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
> Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
> it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
> more for the fluid than the parts.
>
> My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
> the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
> but rain.
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
#79
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Re: WTF happened to 5th gear?(FIXED)
Thanks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Old Crow wrote:
>
> Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
>
> Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
> When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
> shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
> This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
> housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
> t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
> tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
> of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
> Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
> shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
> trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
> On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
> spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
> housing will now come off in your hands.
> The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
> captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
> control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
> when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
> pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
> factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
> the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
> Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
> it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
> more for the fluid than the parts.
>
> My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
> the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
> but rain.
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Old Crow wrote:
>
> Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
>
> Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
> When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
> shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
> This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
> housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
> t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
> tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
> of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
> Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
> shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
> trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
> On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
> spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
> housing will now come off in your hands.
> The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
> captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
> control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
> when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
> pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
> factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
> the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
> Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
> it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
> more for the fluid than the parts.
>
> My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
> the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
> but rain.
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
#80
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Posts: n/a
Re: WTF happened to 5th gear?(FIXED)
Thanks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Old Crow wrote:
>
> Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
>
> Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
> When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
> shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
> This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
> housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
> t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
> tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
> of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
> Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
> shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
> trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
> On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
> spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
> housing will now come off in your hands.
> The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
> captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
> control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
> when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
> pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
> factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
> the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
> Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
> it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
> more for the fluid than the parts.
>
> My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
> the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
> but rain.
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Old Crow wrote:
>
> Well, it only took me two weeks to get to fixing this, but it's done.
>
> Turns out it was indeed the snap ring on the back of the main shaft.
> When that breaks, it spits the gear onto the unsplined portion of the
> shaft, and 5th gear goes away.
> This can be fixed without pulling the whole trans, but the tailshaft
> housing is a bit tricky to get off. First, of course, you remove the
> t/case(support the trans when you pull the skid plate). To remove the
> tailshaft housing you have to remove the detent springs on either side
> of the shifter(don't cross them, as one is stiffer than the other).
> Then you remove the shift tower and the bolt that goes through the
> shift fork into the rail. Then remove the plug in the back of the
> trans and pull the shift rail out along with the shift fork.
> On the passenger side of the trans there is a Torx bolt that has a
> spring and a detent ball behind it. Remove that and the tail shaft
> housing will now come off in your hands.
> The snap ring was in two pieces, but the magnet in the drain plug had
> captured both pieces, so no big deal. The snap ring is also a shim to
> control end play of the 5th gear, so I took the old pieces with me
> when I went to get a new one. The guy at the tranny shop mic'ed the
> pieces and got me the right one, since the letter marking that the
> factory puts on the ring was gone from my old one. Got a new seal for
> the tailshaft and a gasket to go between the tranny and the housing.
> Total cost of parts: $5, Not sure how much I paid for fluid yet(got
> it on my account at work), but it takes 4 quarts, so it was probably
> more for the fluid than the parts.
>
> My Jeep has been sitting for two weeks, with the top down because of
> the nice weather, and since I got it fixed on Friday it's done nothing
> but rain.
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51