Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Bill, I can't really blame anyone else much until CA gets serious and
builds a refinery to support their own habit - and the off-shore
potential off Santa Barbara would go a long way toward helping the
left coast "problem".

We probably think along similar lines on most of this - simple figures
show that a huge portion of the price of fuel (of all kinds) both here
and abroad goes to pay road taxes - which seem to get spent for
everything but roads.

On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:51:33 UTC L.W.(áill) ------ III
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> Hi Earle,
> As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> God Bless America, áill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five dollars
> > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of more
> > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with MDs
> > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and most
> > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of them.
> >
> > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > ----- like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it yet.
> > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> >
> > Earle


--
Will Honea

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Hi Will,
Some how your post reminds me of this joke:

1850--a year in History
California became a state.
The state had no electricity.
The state had no money.
Almost everyone spoke Spanish.
There were gunfights in the streets.

So basically, it was just like California today,
except the women had real boobs

--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Bill, I can't really blame anyone else much until CA gets serious and
> builds a refinery to support their own habit - and the off-shore
> potential off Santa Barbara would go a long way toward helping the
> left coast "problem".
>
> We probably think along similar lines on most of this - simple figures
> show that a huge portion of the price of fuel (of all kinds) both here
> and abroad goes to pay road taxes - which seem to get spent for
> everything but roads.
>
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:51:33 UTC L.W.(áill) ------ III
> <----------@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Earle,
> > As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> > fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> > jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> > eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> > usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> > driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> > bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> > refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> > pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> > price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> > Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> > Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> > cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> > exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> > watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> > their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> > bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> > God Bless America, áill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five dollars
> > > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of more
> > > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with MDs
> > > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and most
> > > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of them.
> > >
> > > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > > ----- like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it yet.
> > > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> > >
> > > Earle
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Hi Will,
Some how your post reminds me of this joke:

1850--a year in History
California became a state.
The state had no electricity.
The state had no money.
Almost everyone spoke Spanish.
There were gunfights in the streets.

So basically, it was just like California today,
except the women had real boobs

--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Bill, I can't really blame anyone else much until CA gets serious and
> builds a refinery to support their own habit - and the off-shore
> potential off Santa Barbara would go a long way toward helping the
> left coast "problem".
>
> We probably think along similar lines on most of this - simple figures
> show that a huge portion of the price of fuel (of all kinds) both here
> and abroad goes to pay road taxes - which seem to get spent for
> everything but roads.
>
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:51:33 UTC L.W.(áill) ------ III
> <----------@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Earle,
> > As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> > fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> > jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> > eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> > usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> > driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> > bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> > refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> > pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> > price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> > Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> > Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> > cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> > exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> > watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> > their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> > bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> > God Bless America, áill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five dollars
> > > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of more
> > > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with MDs
> > > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and most
> > > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of them.
> > >
> > > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > > ----- like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it yet.
> > > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> > >
> > > Earle
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Hi Will,
Some how your post reminds me of this joke:

1850--a year in History
California became a state.
The state had no electricity.
The state had no money.
Almost everyone spoke Spanish.
There were gunfights in the streets.

So basically, it was just like California today,
except the women had real boobs

--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Bill, I can't really blame anyone else much until CA gets serious and
> builds a refinery to support their own habit - and the off-shore
> potential off Santa Barbara would go a long way toward helping the
> left coast "problem".
>
> We probably think along similar lines on most of this - simple figures
> show that a huge portion of the price of fuel (of all kinds) both here
> and abroad goes to pay road taxes - which seem to get spent for
> everything but roads.
>
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:51:33 UTC L.W.(áill) ------ III
> <----------@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Earle,
> > As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> > fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> > jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> > eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> > usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> > driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> > bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> > refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> > pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> > price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> > Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> > Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> > cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> > exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> > watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> > their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> > bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> > God Bless America, áill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five dollars
> > > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of more
> > > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with MDs
> > > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and most
> > > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of them.
> > >
> > > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > > ----- like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it yet.
> > > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> > >
> > > Earle
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Hi Will,
Some how your post reminds me of this joke:

1850--a year in History
California became a state.
The state had no electricity.
The state had no money.
Almost everyone spoke Spanish.
There were gunfights in the streets.

So basically, it was just like California today,
except the women had real boobs

--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Bill, I can't really blame anyone else much until CA gets serious and
> builds a refinery to support their own habit - and the off-shore
> potential off Santa Barbara would go a long way toward helping the
> left coast "problem".
>
> We probably think along similar lines on most of this - simple figures
> show that a huge portion of the price of fuel (of all kinds) both here
> and abroad goes to pay road taxes - which seem to get spent for
> everything but roads.
>
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:51:33 UTC L.W.(áill) ------ III
> <----------@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Earle,
> > As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> > fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> > jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> > eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> > usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> > driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> > bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> > refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> > pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> > price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> > Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> > Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> > cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> > exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> > watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> > their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> > bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> > God Bless America, áill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five dollars
> > > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of more
> > > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with MDs
> > > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and most
> > > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of them.
> > >
> > > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > > ----- like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it yet.
> > > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> > >
> > > Earle
>
> --
> Will Honea

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

The idea that passenger car diesels had a lot to do with fuel prices
is --------, because their on-road percentage was never more than one
percent or so tops. In fact, the highest percentage of privately owned
diesel vehicles in US history is today-and ninety percent are the 3/4
and one ton Duramax, PowerStroke and ISB Cummins four-wheel -----
extension systems, NOT the much cleaner by law VW and Mercedes diesels
(and VM Libtys).

If diesel exhaust is so unhealthy let's make Class 8 trucks switch
first because it would be the easiest to start there. We artificially
subsidize truck freight vis-a-vis railroads by making Class 8 trucks
pay about 20% of their fair share of highway maintenance costs-a ton of
freight costs a LOT more in pavement maintenance than it would on
tracks. That's scientific fact. Let's also require at least one year of
college or five years of equivalent non-trucking work experience with
NO grandfathering to get a full CDL.

And opening the ANWR to drilling is stupid. It will all be gone and
the oil companies will pull out leaving the land a stinking, rotting
wreck zone like they usually do. Which will happen in about five years
after they start.

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

The idea that passenger car diesels had a lot to do with fuel prices
is --------, because their on-road percentage was never more than one
percent or so tops. In fact, the highest percentage of privately owned
diesel vehicles in US history is today-and ninety percent are the 3/4
and one ton Duramax, PowerStroke and ISB Cummins four-wheel -----
extension systems, NOT the much cleaner by law VW and Mercedes diesels
(and VM Libtys).

If diesel exhaust is so unhealthy let's make Class 8 trucks switch
first because it would be the easiest to start there. We artificially
subsidize truck freight vis-a-vis railroads by making Class 8 trucks
pay about 20% of their fair share of highway maintenance costs-a ton of
freight costs a LOT more in pavement maintenance than it would on
tracks. That's scientific fact. Let's also require at least one year of
college or five years of equivalent non-trucking work experience with
NO grandfathering to get a full CDL.

And opening the ANWR to drilling is stupid. It will all be gone and
the oil companies will pull out leaving the land a stinking, rotting
wreck zone like they usually do. Which will happen in about five years
after they start.

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

The idea that passenger car diesels had a lot to do with fuel prices
is --------, because their on-road percentage was never more than one
percent or so tops. In fact, the highest percentage of privately owned
diesel vehicles in US history is today-and ninety percent are the 3/4
and one ton Duramax, PowerStroke and ISB Cummins four-wheel -----
extension systems, NOT the much cleaner by law VW and Mercedes diesels
(and VM Libtys).

If diesel exhaust is so unhealthy let's make Class 8 trucks switch
first because it would be the easiest to start there. We artificially
subsidize truck freight vis-a-vis railroads by making Class 8 trucks
pay about 20% of their fair share of highway maintenance costs-a ton of
freight costs a LOT more in pavement maintenance than it would on
tracks. That's scientific fact. Let's also require at least one year of
college or five years of equivalent non-trucking work experience with
NO grandfathering to get a full CDL.

And opening the ANWR to drilling is stupid. It will all be gone and
the oil companies will pull out leaving the land a stinking, rotting
wreck zone like they usually do. Which will happen in about five years
after they start.

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

The idea that passenger car diesels had a lot to do with fuel prices
is --------, because their on-road percentage was never more than one
percent or so tops. In fact, the highest percentage of privately owned
diesel vehicles in US history is today-and ninety percent are the 3/4
and one ton Duramax, PowerStroke and ISB Cummins four-wheel -----
extension systems, NOT the much cleaner by law VW and Mercedes diesels
(and VM Libtys).

If diesel exhaust is so unhealthy let's make Class 8 trucks switch
first because it would be the easiest to start there. We artificially
subsidize truck freight vis-a-vis railroads by making Class 8 trucks
pay about 20% of their fair share of highway maintenance costs-a ton of
freight costs a LOT more in pavement maintenance than it would on
tracks. That's scientific fact. Let's also require at least one year of
college or five years of equivalent non-trucking work experience with
NO grandfathering to get a full CDL.

And opening the ANWR to drilling is stupid. It will all be gone and
the oil companies will pull out leaving the land a stinking, rotting
wreck zone like they usually do. Which will happen in about five years
after they start.

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Are you saying passenger car diesels didn't have any effect on
supply and demand????????????
Our govornment does subsidize the railroads, but there are NO
subsidizes for independent owner operator truckers, I'd drag out my
prophet and lost statement to show you just how many taxes I paid, taxes
on taxes and for each state I operated, but ten cent an hour is just too
embarrassing.
Once again, you proved you know another about business, or anthing
else as far as you've posted to this group!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> The idea that passenger car diesels had a lot to do with fuel prices
> is --------, because their on-road percentage was never more than one
> percent or so tops. In fact, the highest percentage of privately owned
> diesel vehicles in US history is today-and ninety percent are the 3/4
> and one ton Duramax, PowerStroke and ISB Cummins four-wheel -----
> extension systems, NOT the much cleaner by law VW and Mercedes diesels
> (and VM Libtys).
>
> If diesel exhaust is so unhealthy let's make Class 8 trucks switch
> first because it would be the easiest to start there. We artificially
> subsidize truck freight vis-a-vis railroads by making Class 8 trucks
> pay about 20% of their fair share of highway maintenance costs-a ton of
> freight costs a LOT more in pavement maintenance than it would on
> tracks. That's scientific fact. Let's also require at least one year of
> college or five years of equivalent non-trucking work experience with
> NO grandfathering to get a full CDL.
>
> And opening the ANWR to drilling is stupid. It will all be gone and
> the oil companies will pull out leaving the land a stinking, rotting
> wreck zone like they usually do. Which will happen in about five years
> after they start.