Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Bill,

I have been reading with interest "House Joint Resolution 03-1033 Study" on
the Colorado General Assembly home page at http://www.leg.state.co.us/. It
describes how taxpayers in Colorado have the state by the short hairs with
constitutional provisions limiting growth in government spending, and
mandating at the same time constant growth in the educational budget. This
is the main reason the Colorado Clean Air Program is a complete joke, even
in counties where they have mandated testing. If you can't pay to enforce a
law, you might as well not have it. I am wandering off topic, but I plead
advanced age and extreme glee at the fix our legislature is in. Colorado
has some of the best tax-limiting provisions in the country, but I am afraid
that the bleeding-heart liberals and conservatives too are going to screw it
up any day now with an unneeded "fix".

Much as I hate the idea of government, I was living in a motel this past
January next to a couple of construction workers with one of those diesel
pickups. For some reason, they had to "warm it up" for half an hour every
morning, starting at 6:30. I'll bet they drove it a whole five miles to
work, too. I would have given anything for restrictive pollution controls
to make it impossible to even own those things.

I learned from my organic chemistry class that any organic compound can be
converted into any other organic compound. It is just a matter of energy
and cleverness. Sooner or later, we will have GMO bacteria or nuclear
plants converting our sewage into high octane fuel, ready for the tank.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:42C2FBC5.7C3343DC@cox.net...
> Hi Earle,
> As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five
dollars
> > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of
more
> > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with
MDs
> > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and
most
> > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of
them.
> >
> > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > ----- like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it
yet.
> > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> >
> > Earle

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Bill,

I have been reading with interest "House Joint Resolution 03-1033 Study" on
the Colorado General Assembly home page at http://www.leg.state.co.us/. It
describes how taxpayers in Colorado have the state by the short hairs with
constitutional provisions limiting growth in government spending, and
mandating at the same time constant growth in the educational budget. This
is the main reason the Colorado Clean Air Program is a complete joke, even
in counties where they have mandated testing. If you can't pay to enforce a
law, you might as well not have it. I am wandering off topic, but I plead
advanced age and extreme glee at the fix our legislature is in. Colorado
has some of the best tax-limiting provisions in the country, but I am afraid
that the bleeding-heart liberals and conservatives too are going to screw it
up any day now with an unneeded "fix".

Much as I hate the idea of government, I was living in a motel this past
January next to a couple of construction workers with one of those diesel
pickups. For some reason, they had to "warm it up" for half an hour every
morning, starting at 6:30. I'll bet they drove it a whole five miles to
work, too. I would have given anything for restrictive pollution controls
to make it impossible to even own those things.

I learned from my organic chemistry class that any organic compound can be
converted into any other organic compound. It is just a matter of energy
and cleverness. Sooner or later, we will have GMO bacteria or nuclear
plants converting our sewage into high octane fuel, ready for the tank.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:42C2FBC5.7C3343DC@cox.net...
> Hi Earle,
> As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five
dollars
> > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of
more
> > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with
MDs
> > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and
most
> > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of
them.
> >
> > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > ----- like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it
yet.
> > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> >
> > Earle

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Bill,

I have been reading with interest "House Joint Resolution 03-1033 Study" on
the Colorado General Assembly home page at http://www.leg.state.co.us/. It
describes how taxpayers in Colorado have the state by the short hairs with
constitutional provisions limiting growth in government spending, and
mandating at the same time constant growth in the educational budget. This
is the main reason the Colorado Clean Air Program is a complete joke, even
in counties where they have mandated testing. If you can't pay to enforce a
law, you might as well not have it. I am wandering off topic, but I plead
advanced age and extreme glee at the fix our legislature is in. Colorado
has some of the best tax-limiting provisions in the country, but I am afraid
that the bleeding-heart liberals and conservatives too are going to screw it
up any day now with an unneeded "fix".

Much as I hate the idea of government, I was living in a motel this past
January next to a couple of construction workers with one of those diesel
pickups. For some reason, they had to "warm it up" for half an hour every
morning, starting at 6:30. I'll bet they drove it a whole five miles to
work, too. I would have given anything for restrictive pollution controls
to make it impossible to even own those things.

I learned from my organic chemistry class that any organic compound can be
converted into any other organic compound. It is just a matter of energy
and cleverness. Sooner or later, we will have GMO bacteria or nuclear
plants converting our sewage into high octane fuel, ready for the tank.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:42C2FBC5.7C3343DC@cox.net...
> Hi Earle,
> As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five
dollars
> > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of
more
> > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with
MDs
> > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and
most
> > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of
them.
> >
> > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > ----- like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it
yet.
> > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> >
> > Earle

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Agreed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I have been reading with interest "House Joint Resolution 03-1033 Study" on
> the Colorado General Assembly home page at http://www.leg.state.co.us/. It
> describes how taxpayers in Colorado have the state by the short hairs with
> constitutional provisions limiting growth in government spending, and
> mandating at the same time constant growth in the educational budget. This
> is the main reason the Colorado Clean Air Program is a complete joke, even
> in counties where they have mandated testing. If you can't pay to enforce a
> law, you might as well not have it. I am wandering off topic, but I plead
> advanced age and extreme glee at the fix our legislature is in. Colorado
> has some of the best tax-limiting provisions in the country, but I am afraid
> that the bleeding-heart liberals and conservatives too are going to screw it
> up any day now with an unneeded "fix".
>
> Much as I hate the idea of government, I was living in a motel this past
> January next to a couple of construction workers with one of those diesel
> pickups. For some reason, they had to "warm it up" for half an hour every
> morning, starting at 6:30. I'll bet they drove it a whole five miles to
> work, too. I would have given anything for restrictive pollution controls
> to make it impossible to even own those things.
>
> I learned from my organic chemistry class that any organic compound can be
> converted into any other organic compound. It is just a matter of energy
> and cleverness. Sooner or later, we will have GMO bacteria or nuclear
> plants converting our sewage into high octane fuel, ready for the tank.
>
> Earle

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Agreed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I have been reading with interest "House Joint Resolution 03-1033 Study" on
> the Colorado General Assembly home page at http://www.leg.state.co.us/. It
> describes how taxpayers in Colorado have the state by the short hairs with
> constitutional provisions limiting growth in government spending, and
> mandating at the same time constant growth in the educational budget. This
> is the main reason the Colorado Clean Air Program is a complete joke, even
> in counties where they have mandated testing. If you can't pay to enforce a
> law, you might as well not have it. I am wandering off topic, but I plead
> advanced age and extreme glee at the fix our legislature is in. Colorado
> has some of the best tax-limiting provisions in the country, but I am afraid
> that the bleeding-heart liberals and conservatives too are going to screw it
> up any day now with an unneeded "fix".
>
> Much as I hate the idea of government, I was living in a motel this past
> January next to a couple of construction workers with one of those diesel
> pickups. For some reason, they had to "warm it up" for half an hour every
> morning, starting at 6:30. I'll bet they drove it a whole five miles to
> work, too. I would have given anything for restrictive pollution controls
> to make it impossible to even own those things.
>
> I learned from my organic chemistry class that any organic compound can be
> converted into any other organic compound. It is just a matter of energy
> and cleverness. Sooner or later, we will have GMO bacteria or nuclear
> plants converting our sewage into high octane fuel, ready for the tank.
>
> Earle

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Agreed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I have been reading with interest "House Joint Resolution 03-1033 Study" on
> the Colorado General Assembly home page at http://www.leg.state.co.us/. It
> describes how taxpayers in Colorado have the state by the short hairs with
> constitutional provisions limiting growth in government spending, and
> mandating at the same time constant growth in the educational budget. This
> is the main reason the Colorado Clean Air Program is a complete joke, even
> in counties where they have mandated testing. If you can't pay to enforce a
> law, you might as well not have it. I am wandering off topic, but I plead
> advanced age and extreme glee at the fix our legislature is in. Colorado
> has some of the best tax-limiting provisions in the country, but I am afraid
> that the bleeding-heart liberals and conservatives too are going to screw it
> up any day now with an unneeded "fix".
>
> Much as I hate the idea of government, I was living in a motel this past
> January next to a couple of construction workers with one of those diesel
> pickups. For some reason, they had to "warm it up" for half an hour every
> morning, starting at 6:30. I'll bet they drove it a whole five miles to
> work, too. I would have given anything for restrictive pollution controls
> to make it impossible to even own those things.
>
> I learned from my organic chemistry class that any organic compound can be
> converted into any other organic compound. It is just a matter of energy
> and cleverness. Sooner or later, we will have GMO bacteria or nuclear
> plants converting our sewage into high octane fuel, ready for the tank.
>
> Earle

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Agreed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I have been reading with interest "House Joint Resolution 03-1033 Study" on
> the Colorado General Assembly home page at http://www.leg.state.co.us/. It
> describes how taxpayers in Colorado have the state by the short hairs with
> constitutional provisions limiting growth in government spending, and
> mandating at the same time constant growth in the educational budget. This
> is the main reason the Colorado Clean Air Program is a complete joke, even
> in counties where they have mandated testing. If you can't pay to enforce a
> law, you might as well not have it. I am wandering off topic, but I plead
> advanced age and extreme glee at the fix our legislature is in. Colorado
> has some of the best tax-limiting provisions in the country, but I am afraid
> that the bleeding-heart liberals and conservatives too are going to screw it
> up any day now with an unneeded "fix".
>
> Much as I hate the idea of government, I was living in a motel this past
> January next to a couple of construction workers with one of those diesel
> pickups. For some reason, they had to "warm it up" for half an hour every
> morning, starting at 6:30. I'll bet they drove it a whole five miles to
> work, too. I would have given anything for restrictive pollution controls
> to make it impossible to even own those things.
>
> I learned from my organic chemistry class that any organic compound can be
> converted into any other organic compound. It is just a matter of energy
> and cleverness. Sooner or later, we will have GMO bacteria or nuclear
> plants converting our sewage into high octane fuel, ready for the tank.
>
> Earle

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Bill, I can't really blame anyone else much until CA gets serious and
builds a refinery to support their own habit - and the off-shore
potential off Santa Barbara would go a long way toward helping the
left coast "problem".

We probably think along similar lines on most of this - simple figures
show that a huge portion of the price of fuel (of all kinds) both here
and abroad goes to pay road taxes - which seem to get spent for
everything but roads.

On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:51:33 UTC L.W.(áill) ------ III
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> Hi Earle,
> As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> God Bless America, áill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five dollars
> > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of more
> > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with MDs
> > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and most
> > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of them.
> >
> > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > ----- like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it yet.
> > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> >
> > Earle


--
Will Honea

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Bill, I can't really blame anyone else much until CA gets serious and
builds a refinery to support their own habit - and the off-shore
potential off Santa Barbara would go a long way toward helping the
left coast "problem".

We probably think along similar lines on most of this - simple figures
show that a huge portion of the price of fuel (of all kinds) both here
and abroad goes to pay road taxes - which seem to get spent for
everything but roads.

On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:51:33 UTC L.W.(áill) ------ III
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> Hi Earle,
> As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> God Bless America, áill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five dollars
> > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of more
> > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with MDs
> > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and most
> > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of them.
> >
> > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > ----- like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it yet.
> > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> >
> > Earle


--
Will Honea

Re: wrangler diesel coming soon?
 

Bill, I can't really blame anyone else much until CA gets serious and
builds a refinery to support their own habit - and the off-shore
potential off Santa Barbara would go a long way toward helping the
left coast "problem".

We probably think along similar lines on most of this - simple figures
show that a huge portion of the price of fuel (of all kinds) both here
and abroad goes to pay road taxes - which seem to get spent for
everything but roads.

On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:51:33 UTC L.W.(áill) ------ III
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> Hi Earle,
> As you know, supply and demand drive the retail prices of our
> fuels, gasoline used to be a useless byproduct of kerosene and later,
> jet fuel. Until passenger cars started using the truck fuels in the
> eighties, diesel was selling for half the price of gasoline, and as
> usual supply and demand has diesel now priced above regular gasoline,
> driving most of my independent friends into bankruptcy. So until you
> bleeding heart liberals (and hermits in Colorado) let us build a couple
> refineries, expect your five bucks a quart, shortly. And the price we
> pay for forty gallons of crude has almost nothing to do with our retail
> price. All though it would be nice the Arabs eat theirs when we open the
> Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
> Yogi, has nothing to worry about, the products need to convert
> cooking oils into something that will only burn in a diesel engine
> exceeds the price of diesel now. Spike TV's Garage run a program on it,
> watch it, they start out with five gallons of pure alcohol to mix with
> their ten gallons of grease, then they throw away half of that. Price a
> bottle of rubbing alcohol, lately?
> God Bless America, áill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > Bill, you have a point but this is more a question of what people can
> > afford, than what is good or bad for them. When gasoline hits five dollars
> > a quart, even the People's Republik of Kalifornia will be thinking of more
> > permissive regulations related to diesel pleasure vehicles. People with MDs
> > and Ph.D.s will be telling you that it is not bad for your bodies, and most
> > people will be believing it. I know people who are allergic or
> > hypersensitive to diesel and diesel fumes. I am glad not to be one of them.
> >
> > They are selling "bio-diesel" here, but since I don't operate an
> > over-the-road rig, farm or run a construction business, or have a small
> > ----- like the guys with diesel pickups, I haven't had any use for it yet.
> > Early experiments with vegetable oil based fuel for tour buses in the
> > national parks led to an unacceptable amount of attention from Yogi
> > thinking, "Where are the fries?"
> >
> > Earle


--
Will Honea