Working on Brakes (especially Rear Drums) - TJ
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If they are working properly they will adjust in Reverse. The self adjusting
mechanism often times does not function properly. Other than that, what Mike
said.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40E347B4.56BC2962@sympatico.ca...
> If your brakes are working, they will self adjust when you go in reverse
> and hit the brakes.
>
> The state of the emergency brake handle tells you the adjustment
> usually. If it is higher than normal, the rears could need adjusting or
> replacing.
>
> Otherwise, you can jack up the wheel and remove the rubber grommet and
> turn the star wheel until the drum starts to grab. You then back it off
> a couple clicks, this takes a second screwdriver poked inside to release
> the top bar.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Are you referring to the little "star" adjustment thingy or whatever?
> > How do I adjust this? I seem to remember seeing the guy at the brake
> > shop stick a screwdriver through the backing plate somewhere, but I
> > don't want to just randomly stick a screwdriver through one of the
> > backing plate holes without knowing what I'm aiming for ;-)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<10e40r55hdoc08f@corp.supernews.com>...
> > > It sounds like you just need to adjust the brakes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > news:47b769ae.0406290542.39c0c1a4@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I'm pretty sure it's not just that.
> > > >
> > > > I've been getting a seat-of-the-pants feeling that my braking power
> > > > has diminished of late; on the highway when traffic has stopped
> > > > suddenly, I've found myself having to smash down on the brakes
harder
> > > > than before to get the jeep to stop in the same amount of time.
While
> > > > I can still lock the front up, it just doesn't seem to be as
> > > > effective.
> > > >
> > > > This last weekend on the trail was my final straw: I was on a slight
> > > > incline, and tried to go up a couple of rocks (I was in 2wd), and
spun
> > > > tires. So, I put the clutch in and hit the brake simultaneously, in
> > > > order to put it in 4-low to get through the little bit of rocks. As
> > > > soon as the clutch was in, the vehicle proceeded to roll back about
> > > > 10+ feet, with me standing on the brake pedal (in retrospect,
perhaps
> > > > I should have pumped it). Either way, it was a bit freaky. The
others
> > > > in my group said my front wheels were locked up, but my rears were
> > > > rolling, as I just rolled backward. It was like my rear brakes were
> > > > doing nothing, and just the locking-up and subsequent dragging of my
> > > > front wheels was all that stopped me.
> > > >
> > > > The braking improved a bit as the day progressed, but I decided
maybe
> > > > I'd better check and see if the brakes were (a) in good shape still
> > > > and (b) not out of adjustment.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:<40E08500.A9E6738F@sympatico.ca>...
> > > > > Are you sure you aren't just seeing the effects of a properly
working
> > > > > combination valve?
> > > > >
> > > > > It acts like an anti lock brake for the rear wheels so they don't
lock
> > > > > up easy if at all. Normally you don't want the rears locking, you
can
> > > > > do 360's faster than you can blink if the rears lock up at speed.
> > > > >
> > > > > The combination valve stops them from locking until you are almost
> > > > > stopped even if you really mash the pedal down.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey...I am about to pull my brakes apart due to some persistent
brake
> > > > > > fade issues (dry or wet) I've been having with my rear brakes; I
want
> > > > > > to make sure everything is ok/fix whatever's wrong with them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway, I'm going to start scouring the 'Net tonight to look for
info
> > > > > > how to work on brakes, diagrams, instructions, etc., especially
for
> > > > > > the rear drums (the front discs are more straight-forward from
what I
> > > > > > understand, and I'm pretty sure I'll be able to figure out
what's
> > > > > > going on with them a little easier).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, if anyone out there can provide me with any links to
instructions
> > > > > > they've found particularly useful in the past, that would be
awesome.
> > > > > > Pictures and diagrams are great, too. Bill, if you feel inclined
to
> > > > > > put up a link to the appropriate section from the FSM or
something,
> > > > > > that'd be awesome too. Also, any tips or suggestions what all I
should
> > > > > > do when servicing and checking my brakes (beyond the obvious
> > > > > > inspection and replacement if necessary of the pads...) would be
> > > > > > great!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks everyone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /Bob
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Applicable specs:
> > > > > > 1997 TJ
> > > > > > Dana 44 Rear (drum brakes)
> > > > > > Dana 30 Front (disc brakes)
> > > > > > Stock brakes front and rear.
> > > > > > Last brake service performed 15 months ago.
If they are working properly they will adjust in Reverse. The self adjusting
mechanism often times does not function properly. Other than that, what Mike
said.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40E347B4.56BC2962@sympatico.ca...
> If your brakes are working, they will self adjust when you go in reverse
> and hit the brakes.
>
> The state of the emergency brake handle tells you the adjustment
> usually. If it is higher than normal, the rears could need adjusting or
> replacing.
>
> Otherwise, you can jack up the wheel and remove the rubber grommet and
> turn the star wheel until the drum starts to grab. You then back it off
> a couple clicks, this takes a second screwdriver poked inside to release
> the top bar.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Are you referring to the little "star" adjustment thingy or whatever?
> > How do I adjust this? I seem to remember seeing the guy at the brake
> > shop stick a screwdriver through the backing plate somewhere, but I
> > don't want to just randomly stick a screwdriver through one of the
> > backing plate holes without knowing what I'm aiming for ;-)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<10e40r55hdoc08f@corp.supernews.com>...
> > > It sounds like you just need to adjust the brakes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> > > news:47b769ae.0406290542.39c0c1a4@posting.google.c om...
> > > > I'm pretty sure it's not just that.
> > > >
> > > > I've been getting a seat-of-the-pants feeling that my braking power
> > > > has diminished of late; on the highway when traffic has stopped
> > > > suddenly, I've found myself having to smash down on the brakes
harder
> > > > than before to get the jeep to stop in the same amount of time.
While
> > > > I can still lock the front up, it just doesn't seem to be as
> > > > effective.
> > > >
> > > > This last weekend on the trail was my final straw: I was on a slight
> > > > incline, and tried to go up a couple of rocks (I was in 2wd), and
spun
> > > > tires. So, I put the clutch in and hit the brake simultaneously, in
> > > > order to put it in 4-low to get through the little bit of rocks. As
> > > > soon as the clutch was in, the vehicle proceeded to roll back about
> > > > 10+ feet, with me standing on the brake pedal (in retrospect,
perhaps
> > > > I should have pumped it). Either way, it was a bit freaky. The
others
> > > > in my group said my front wheels were locked up, but my rears were
> > > > rolling, as I just rolled backward. It was like my rear brakes were
> > > > doing nothing, and just the locking-up and subsequent dragging of my
> > > > front wheels was all that stopped me.
> > > >
> > > > The braking improved a bit as the day progressed, but I decided
maybe
> > > > I'd better check and see if the brakes were (a) in good shape still
> > > > and (b) not out of adjustment.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:<40E08500.A9E6738F@sympatico.ca>...
> > > > > Are you sure you aren't just seeing the effects of a properly
working
> > > > > combination valve?
> > > > >
> > > > > It acts like an anti lock brake for the rear wheels so they don't
lock
> > > > > up easy if at all. Normally you don't want the rears locking, you
can
> > > > > do 360's faster than you can blink if the rears lock up at speed.
> > > > >
> > > > > The combination valve stops them from locking until you are almost
> > > > > stopped even if you really mash the pedal down.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey...I am about to pull my brakes apart due to some persistent
brake
> > > > > > fade issues (dry or wet) I've been having with my rear brakes; I
want
> > > > > > to make sure everything is ok/fix whatever's wrong with them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway, I'm going to start scouring the 'Net tonight to look for
info
> > > > > > how to work on brakes, diagrams, instructions, etc., especially
for
> > > > > > the rear drums (the front discs are more straight-forward from
what I
> > > > > > understand, and I'm pretty sure I'll be able to figure out
what's
> > > > > > going on with them a little easier).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, if anyone out there can provide me with any links to
instructions
> > > > > > they've found particularly useful in the past, that would be
awesome.
> > > > > > Pictures and diagrams are great, too. Bill, if you feel inclined
to
> > > > > > put up a link to the appropriate section from the FSM or
something,
> > > > > > that'd be awesome too. Also, any tips or suggestions what all I
should
> > > > > > do when servicing and checking my brakes (beyond the obvious
> > > > > > inspection and replacement if necessary of the pads...) would be
> > > > > > great!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks everyone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /Bob
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Applicable specs:
> > > > > > 1997 TJ
> > > > > > Dana 44 Rear (drum brakes)
> > > > > > Dana 30 Front (disc brakes)
> > > > > > Stock brakes front and rear.
> > > > > > Last brake service performed 15 months ago.
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Re: Working on Brakes (especially Rear Drums) - TJ
In article <75oEc.506$8m6.133@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>'round-2-it'! lol
You mean a round tuit? :)
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dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>'round-2-it'! lol
You mean a round tuit? :)
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
Replace nospam with jetta for e-mail
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Re: Working on Brakes (especially Rear Drums) - TJ
In article <75oEc.506$8m6.133@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>'round-2-it'! lol
You mean a round tuit? :)
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
Replace nospam with jetta for e-mail
dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>'round-2-it'! lol
You mean a round tuit? :)
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
Replace nospam with jetta for e-mail
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Re: Working on Brakes (especially Rear Drums) - TJ
In article <75oEc.506$8m6.133@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>'round-2-it'! lol
You mean a round tuit? :)
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
Replace nospam with jetta for e-mail
dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>'round-2-it'! lol
You mean a round tuit? :)
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
Replace nospam with jetta for e-mail
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Re: Working on Brakes (especially Rear Drums) - TJ
In article <75oEc.506$8m6.133@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>'round-2-it'! lol
You mean a round tuit? :)
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
Replace nospam with jetta for e-mail
dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>'round-2-it'! lol
You mean a round tuit? :)
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
Replace nospam with jetta for e-mail
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Re: Working on Brakes (especially Rear Drums) - TJ
Peter Parker did pass the time by typing:
> In article <75oEc.506$8m6.133@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>> I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>> 'round-2-it'! lol
>
> You mean a round tuit? :)
http://www.myrtlewoodgallery.com/get_a_round_tuit.htm
http://www.vaxxine.com/steveb/tuit.htm
http://www.quantumenterprises.co.uk/.../roundtuit.htm
> In article <75oEc.506$8m6.133@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>> I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>> 'round-2-it'! lol
>
> You mean a round tuit? :)
http://www.myrtlewoodgallery.com/get_a_round_tuit.htm
http://www.vaxxine.com/steveb/tuit.htm
http://www.quantumenterprises.co.uk/.../roundtuit.htm
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Re: Working on Brakes (especially Rear Drums) - TJ
Peter Parker did pass the time by typing:
> In article <75oEc.506$8m6.133@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>> I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>> 'round-2-it'! lol
>
> You mean a round tuit? :)
http://www.myrtlewoodgallery.com/get_a_round_tuit.htm
http://www.vaxxine.com/steveb/tuit.htm
http://www.quantumenterprises.co.uk/.../roundtuit.htm
> In article <75oEc.506$8m6.133@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>> I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>> 'round-2-it'! lol
>
> You mean a round tuit? :)
http://www.myrtlewoodgallery.com/get_a_round_tuit.htm
http://www.vaxxine.com/steveb/tuit.htm
http://www.quantumenterprises.co.uk/.../roundtuit.htm
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Re: Working on Brakes (especially Rear Drums) - TJ
Peter Parker did pass the time by typing:
> In article <75oEc.506$8m6.133@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>> I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>> 'round-2-it'! lol
>
> You mean a round tuit? :)
http://www.myrtlewoodgallery.com/get_a_round_tuit.htm
http://www.vaxxine.com/steveb/tuit.htm
http://www.quantumenterprises.co.uk/.../roundtuit.htm
> In article <75oEc.506$8m6.133@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>> I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>> 'round-2-it'! lol
>
> You mean a round tuit? :)
http://www.myrtlewoodgallery.com/get_a_round_tuit.htm
http://www.vaxxine.com/steveb/tuit.htm
http://www.quantumenterprises.co.uk/.../roundtuit.htm
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Re: Working on Brakes (especially Rear Drums) - TJ
Peter Parker did pass the time by typing:
> In article <75oEc.506$8m6.133@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>> I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>> 'round-2-it'! lol
>
> You mean a round tuit? :)
http://www.myrtlewoodgallery.com/get_a_round_tuit.htm
http://www.vaxxine.com/steveb/tuit.htm
http://www.quantumenterprises.co.uk/.../roundtuit.htm
> In article <75oEc.506$8m6.133@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
>> I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get my
>> 'round-2-it'! lol
>
> You mean a round tuit? :)
http://www.myrtlewoodgallery.com/get_a_round_tuit.htm
http://www.vaxxine.com/steveb/tuit.htm
http://www.quantumenterprises.co.uk/.../roundtuit.htm
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Re: Working on Brakes (especially Rear Drums) - TJ
That just goes to show that I don't have one......yet! lol
Have a safe 4th everyone.
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1
> > dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
> >> I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get
my
> >> 'round-2-it'! lol
> >
> > You mean a round tuit? :)
>
> http://www.myrtlewoodgallery.com/get_a_round_tuit.htm
> http://www.vaxxine.com/steveb/tuit.htm
> http://www.quantumenterprises.co.uk/.../roundtuit.htm
>
>
Have a safe 4th everyone.
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1
> > dave AKA vwdoc1 <NO_vwdoc1_SPAM_@hotmail.com_PLEASE> wrote:
> >> I would want to check my 88 XJ's proportioning valve. Waiting to get
my
> >> 'round-2-it'! lol
> >
> > You mean a round tuit? :)
>
> http://www.myrtlewoodgallery.com/get_a_round_tuit.htm
> http://www.vaxxine.com/steveb/tuit.htm
> http://www.quantumenterprises.co.uk/.../roundtuit.htm
>
>