Snowboardripper

I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
I perfer this model since:
1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
the front.
2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
not need the winch plate or guard.
5) I have it wired for the back as well.
6) I can share it with my other jeeps.

But you should get the following for you winch
1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.

I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!

Snowboardripper

I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
I perfer this model since:
1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
the front.
2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
not need the winch plate or guard.
5) I have it wired for the back as well.
6) I can share it with my other jeeps.

But you should get the following for you winch
1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.

I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!

Jerry Bransford

I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
even close.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
> I perfer this model since:
> 1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
> the front.
> 2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
> 3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
> 4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
> not need the winch plate or guard.
> 5) I have it wired for the back as well.
> 6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>
> But you should get the following for you winch
> 1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
> 2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
> forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>
> I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
> are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
> in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
> future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!

Jerry Bransford

I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
even close.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
> I perfer this model since:
> 1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
> the front.
> 2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
> 3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
> 4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
> not need the winch plate or guard.
> 5) I have it wired for the back as well.
> 6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>
> But you should get the following for you winch
> 1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
> 2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
> forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>
> I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
> are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
> in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
> future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!

Jerry Bransford

I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
even close.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
> I perfer this model since:
> 1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
> the front.
> 2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
> 3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
> 4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
> not need the winch plate or guard.
> 5) I have it wired for the back as well.
> 6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>
> But you should get the following for you winch
> 1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
> 2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
> forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>
> I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
> are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
> in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
> future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!

twaldron

If you use those drawbar type hitch mounts to mount your winch to the
front of your Jeep, don't you limit your winching capacity to about 3500
lbs.?

Snowboardripper wrote:

> I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
> I perfer this model since:
> 1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
> the front.
> 2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
> 3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
> 4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
> not need the winch plate or guard.
> 5) I have it wired for the back as well.
> 6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>
> But you should get the following for you winch
> 1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
> 2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
> forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>
> I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
> are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
> in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
> future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

If you use those drawbar type hitch mounts to mount your winch to the
front of your Jeep, don't you limit your winching capacity to about 3500
lbs.?

Snowboardripper wrote:

> I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
> I perfer this model since:
> 1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
> the front.
> 2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
> 3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
> 4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
> not need the winch plate or guard.
> 5) I have it wired for the back as well.
> 6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>
> But you should get the following for you winch
> 1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
> 2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
> forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>
> I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
> are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
> in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
> future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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__________________________________________________ _________

twaldron

If you use those drawbar type hitch mounts to mount your winch to the
front of your Jeep, don't you limit your winching capacity to about 3500
lbs.?

Snowboardripper wrote:

> I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
> I perfer this model since:
> 1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
> the front.
> 2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
> 3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
> 4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
> not need the winch plate or guard.
> 5) I have it wired for the back as well.
> 6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>
> But you should get the following for you winch
> 1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
> 2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
> forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>
> I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
> are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
> in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
> future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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__________________________________________________ _________

Lee Ayrton

I confused a followup poster with the original poster, the F/U wants to
run a half-dozen fog lights for night-time off-roading and I conflated
that with the OP who worries that his electrical system will not keep up
with his winch.

As for the rest, perhaps I worded it poorly: I agree that no alternator
available will support a 400A load, the balance comes from the battery,
and I said so. As for extra loads while winching, I dunno: Nightime,
swamp, winching, I can see someone lighting it up like the near side of
the moon. Mebbe not you, but someone would.

Yes, the alternator will recharge the battery between heavy loads, as I
said -- but the points I was reaching for there are that alternators don't
put out much useful current at idle and that a system where load (from
extra lights) approaches alternator output at speed (and exceeds it at
idle) it will take a lot longer to refresh the battery. If the base
nightime draw for your rig is 40A and you've got 600 watts of extra
off-road lights, there's not a lot of amps left to recharge with from a
standard 90A alternator. Given the right combination of prolonged idling,
running accessories, heavy winching, a festoon of lights above, around and
under a Jeep, combined shutting down with no recharge time, an unwary and
unlucky Jeeper could find himself unable to restart, which was the worst
case I was pointing at. For some folks, electricity will always be an
occult thing and getting more power is a matter of adding 3M splices and
wire. Not that there's anything wrong with people who misunderstand
electricity: I couldn't understand chemistry to save my life.

Do I think he should park his Jeep, run -- not walk -- to a parts store to
buy and install a megahuge 175A alternator? Nope. The HD 117 amp unit is
probably fine. I was just trying to give enough information so he could
understand what he was dealing with so he could decide what he should do.

It looks like I didn't do so well at it, eh?



On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Jerry Bransford wrote:

> NO alternator that can be mounted onto a Jeep can keep up with a winch under
> load. So as long as basic battery management is performed, i.e. don't run
> the winch under heavy load for prolonged periods of time without giving the
> alternator a chance to keep the battery somewhat charged, all that is really
> needed is a good quality heavy-duty battery. I'm running the stock 117 amp
> alternator and a single Optima battery and do heavy and often prolonged
> winching all the time without any problems.
>
> You're not running anything off the battery aside from the engine when
> winching so additional loads like lights would be rare. And it's the
> battery that the winch is really drawing from with the alternator just
> providing what it can.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.60.0409011000460.1659@panix1.panix .com...
>>
>> You might find this article useful:
>>
>> 3. Upgrading You Electrical System Part 1 - Off-Road.Com
>> <URL:http://www.off-road.com/jeep/swb/articles/index.htm>
>>
>> It is a multi-part article that discusses the basics of automotive
>> electrical systems and upgrades.
>>
>> Briefly: The author says that his TJ came with the optional heavy-duty
>> 117 amp alternator and that the stock one is rated at 90 amps. Counting
>> on his fingers, he figures that the base draw for his TJ (fans, ignition,
>> fuel pump, instruments, running lights, etc) is 30 to 40 amps. Add
>> another 9 amps for every 100 watt light. His Superwinch can pull well
>> over 400A full load, anything over what the alternator can produce has to
>> come from the battery and then be made up for later by the alternator,
>> while it is running everything else. Don't forget that alternators put
>> out diddlysquat at low RPMs. If your alternator cannot keep up you'll
>> eventually run out of battery reserve. Click click click, no start.
>>
>> The formula for finding amperage from wattage is (W/V)==A or wattage (100)
>> divided by voltage (12) equals (8 and change, round up for a safety
>> margin).
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2004, Troy wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>> and it didn't get that bad, just splatter and on the cable. Hmm, also
>>> I notice when I use it the battery voltage indicator says it drops
>>> down to around 9 volts. I have a stock battery, should I replace with
>>> a deep cycle optima or something?
>>>
>>> Um, and another thing: How many electrical attachments to the jeep
>>> (01 TJ)would be too much for the factory alternator? Thanks in
>>> advance!
>>>
>>
>
>
>

Lee Ayrton

I confused a followup poster with the original poster, the F/U wants to
run a half-dozen fog lights for night-time off-roading and I conflated
that with the OP who worries that his electrical system will not keep up
with his winch.

As for the rest, perhaps I worded it poorly: I agree that no alternator
available will support a 400A load, the balance comes from the battery,
and I said so. As for extra loads while winching, I dunno: Nightime,
swamp, winching, I can see someone lighting it up like the near side of
the moon. Mebbe not you, but someone would.

Yes, the alternator will recharge the battery between heavy loads, as I
said -- but the points I was reaching for there are that alternators don't
put out much useful current at idle and that a system where load (from
extra lights) approaches alternator output at speed (and exceeds it at
idle) it will take a lot longer to refresh the battery. If the base
nightime draw for your rig is 40A and you've got 600 watts of extra
off-road lights, there's not a lot of amps left to recharge with from a
standard 90A alternator. Given the right combination of prolonged idling,
running accessories, heavy winching, a festoon of lights above, around and
under a Jeep, combined shutting down with no recharge time, an unwary and
unlucky Jeeper could find himself unable to restart, which was the worst
case I was pointing at. For some folks, electricity will always be an
occult thing and getting more power is a matter of adding 3M splices and
wire. Not that there's anything wrong with people who misunderstand
electricity: I couldn't understand chemistry to save my life.

Do I think he should park his Jeep, run -- not walk -- to a parts store to
buy and install a megahuge 175A alternator? Nope. The HD 117 amp unit is
probably fine. I was just trying to give enough information so he could
understand what he was dealing with so he could decide what he should do.

It looks like I didn't do so well at it, eh?



On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Jerry Bransford wrote:

> NO alternator that can be mounted onto a Jeep can keep up with a winch under
> load. So as long as basic battery management is performed, i.e. don't run
> the winch under heavy load for prolonged periods of time without giving the
> alternator a chance to keep the battery somewhat charged, all that is really
> needed is a good quality heavy-duty battery. I'm running the stock 117 amp
> alternator and a single Optima battery and do heavy and often prolonged
> winching all the time without any problems.
>
> You're not running anything off the battery aside from the engine when
> winching so additional loads like lights would be rare. And it's the
> battery that the winch is really drawing from with the alternator just
> providing what it can.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.60.0409011000460.1659@panix1.panix .com...
>>
>> You might find this article useful:
>>
>> 3. Upgrading You Electrical System Part 1 - Off-Road.Com
>> <URL:http://www.off-road.com/jeep/swb/articles/index.htm>
>>
>> It is a multi-part article that discusses the basics of automotive
>> electrical systems and upgrades.
>>
>> Briefly: The author says that his TJ came with the optional heavy-duty
>> 117 amp alternator and that the stock one is rated at 90 amps. Counting
>> on his fingers, he figures that the base draw for his TJ (fans, ignition,
>> fuel pump, instruments, running lights, etc) is 30 to 40 amps. Add
>> another 9 amps for every 100 watt light. His Superwinch can pull well
>> over 400A full load, anything over what the alternator can produce has to
>> come from the battery and then be made up for later by the alternator,
>> while it is running everything else. Don't forget that alternators put
>> out diddlysquat at low RPMs. If your alternator cannot keep up you'll
>> eventually run out of battery reserve. Click click click, no start.
>>
>> The formula for finding amperage from wattage is (W/V)==A or wattage (100)
>> divided by voltage (12) equals (8 and change, round up for a safety
>> margin).
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2004, Troy wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>> and it didn't get that bad, just splatter and on the cable. Hmm, also
>>> I notice when I use it the battery voltage indicator says it drops
>>> down to around 9 volts. I have a stock battery, should I replace with
>>> a deep cycle optima or something?
>>>
>>> Um, and another thing: How many electrical attachments to the jeep
>>> (01 TJ)would be too much for the factory alternator? Thanks in
>>> advance!
>>>
>>
>
>
>