winch questions
09-01-2004, 12:28 PM
#31
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Re: winch questions
I confused a followup poster with the original poster, the F/U wants to
run a half-dozen fog lights for night-time off-roading and I conflated
that with the OP who worries that his electrical system will not keep up
with his winch.
As for the rest, perhaps I worded it poorly: I agree that no alternator
available will support a 400A load, the balance comes from the battery,
and I said so. As for extra loads while winching, I dunno: Nightime,
swamp, winching, I can see someone lighting it up like the near side of
the moon. Mebbe not you, but someone would.
Yes, the alternator will recharge the battery between heavy loads, as I
said -- but the points I was reaching for there are that alternators don't
put out much useful current at idle and that a system where load (from
extra lights) approaches alternator output at speed (and exceeds it at
idle) it will take a lot longer to refresh the battery. If the base
nightime draw for your rig is 40A and you've got 600 watts of extra
off-road lights, there's not a lot of amps left to recharge with from a
standard 90A alternator. Given the right combination of prolonged idling,
running accessories, heavy winching, a festoon of lights above, around and
under a Jeep, combined shutting down with no recharge time, an unwary and
unlucky Jeeper could find himself unable to restart, which was the worst
case I was pointing at. For some folks, electricity will always be an
occult thing and getting more power is a matter of adding 3M splices and
wire. Not that there's anything wrong with people who misunderstand
electricity: I couldn't understand chemistry to save my life.
Do I think he should park his Jeep, run -- not walk -- to a parts store to
buy and install a megahuge 175A alternator? Nope. The HD 117 amp unit is
probably fine. I was just trying to give enough information so he could
understand what he was dealing with so he could decide what he should do.
It looks like I didn't do so well at it, eh?
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Jerry Bransford wrote:
> NO alternator that can be mounted onto a Jeep can keep up with a winch under
> load. So as long as basic battery management is performed, i.e. don't run
> the winch under heavy load for prolonged periods of time without giving the
> alternator a chance to keep the battery somewhat charged, all that is really
> needed is a good quality heavy-duty battery. I'm running the stock 117 amp
> alternator and a single Optima battery and do heavy and often prolonged
> winching all the time without any problems.
>
> You're not running anything off the battery aside from the engine when
> winching so additional loads like lights would be rare. And it's the
> battery that the winch is really drawing from with the alternator just
> providing what it can.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.60.0409011000460.1659@panix1.panix .com...
>>
>> You might find this article useful:
>>
>> 3. Upgrading You Electrical System Part 1 - Off-Road.Com
>> <URL:http://www.off-road.com/jeep/swb/articles/index.htm>
>>
>> It is a multi-part article that discusses the basics of automotive
>> electrical systems and upgrades.
>>
>> Briefly: The author says that his TJ came with the optional heavy-duty
>> 117 amp alternator and that the stock one is rated at 90 amps. Counting
>> on his fingers, he figures that the base draw for his TJ (fans, ignition,
>> fuel pump, instruments, running lights, etc) is 30 to 40 amps. Add
>> another 9 amps for every 100 watt light. His Superwinch can pull well
>> over 400A full load, anything over what the alternator can produce has to
>> come from the battery and then be made up for later by the alternator,
>> while it is running everything else. Don't forget that alternators put
>> out diddlysquat at low RPMs. If your alternator cannot keep up you'll
>> eventually run out of battery reserve. Click click click, no start.
>>
>> The formula for finding amperage from wattage is (W/V)==A or wattage (100)
>> divided by voltage (12) equals (8 and change, round up for a safety
>> margin).
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2004, Troy wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>> and it didn't get that bad, just splatter and on the cable. Hmm, also
>>> I notice when I use it the battery voltage indicator says it drops
>>> down to around 9 volts. I have a stock battery, should I replace with
>>> a deep cycle optima or something?
>>>
>>> Um, and another thing: How many electrical attachments to the jeep
>>> (01 TJ)would be too much for the factory alternator? Thanks in
>>> advance!
>>>
>>
>
>
>
09-01-2004, 04:39 PM
#32
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Re: winch questions
Very true. Winching aside, if you're deep in the nowhere, hike off and
return hours (or days) later to find you left your lights on, you're
hosed and your heavy duty alternator and batteries won't help. I always
carry a portable jumper battery in the back for such occasions.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Given the right combination of prolonged idling, running accessories,
> heavy winching, a festoon of lights above, around and under a Jeep,
> combined shutting down with no recharge time, an unwary and unlucky
> Jeeper could find himself unable to restart, which was the worst case
> I was pointing at.
return hours (or days) later to find you left your lights on, you're
hosed and your heavy duty alternator and batteries won't help. I always
carry a portable jumper battery in the back for such occasions.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Given the right combination of prolonged idling, running accessories,
> heavy winching, a festoon of lights above, around and under a Jeep,
> combined shutting down with no recharge time, an unwary and unlucky
> Jeeper could find himself unable to restart, which was the worst case
> I was pointing at.
09-01-2004, 04:39 PM
#33
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Re: winch questions
Very true. Winching aside, if you're deep in the nowhere, hike off and
return hours (or days) later to find you left your lights on, you're
hosed and your heavy duty alternator and batteries won't help. I always
carry a portable jumper battery in the back for such occasions.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Given the right combination of prolonged idling, running accessories,
> heavy winching, a festoon of lights above, around and under a Jeep,
> combined shutting down with no recharge time, an unwary and unlucky
> Jeeper could find himself unable to restart, which was the worst case
> I was pointing at.
return hours (or days) later to find you left your lights on, you're
hosed and your heavy duty alternator and batteries won't help. I always
carry a portable jumper battery in the back for such occasions.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Given the right combination of prolonged idling, running accessories,
> heavy winching, a festoon of lights above, around and under a Jeep,
> combined shutting down with no recharge time, an unwary and unlucky
> Jeeper could find himself unable to restart, which was the worst case
> I was pointing at.
09-01-2004, 04:39 PM
#34
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Re: winch questions
Very true. Winching aside, if you're deep in the nowhere, hike off and
return hours (or days) later to find you left your lights on, you're
hosed and your heavy duty alternator and batteries won't help. I always
carry a portable jumper battery in the back for such occasions.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Given the right combination of prolonged idling, running accessories,
> heavy winching, a festoon of lights above, around and under a Jeep,
> combined shutting down with no recharge time, an unwary and unlucky
> Jeeper could find himself unable to restart, which was the worst case
> I was pointing at.
return hours (or days) later to find you left your lights on, you're
hosed and your heavy duty alternator and batteries won't help. I always
carry a portable jumper battery in the back for such occasions.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Given the right combination of prolonged idling, running accessories,
> heavy winching, a festoon of lights above, around and under a Jeep,
> combined shutting down with no recharge time, an unwary and unlucky
> Jeeper could find himself unable to restart, which was the worst case
> I was pointing at.
09-01-2004, 04:43 PM
#35
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Re: winch questions
Hi Jerry,
You sure that a 2" receiver can't handle it? Yes, most class III hitches
are rated at 5-6,000 lb, but class IV 2" receiver hitches can rate up to
10K. The front mount receiver hitch at the bottom of the following link
has a rated winching capacity of 9K:
http://www.etrailer.com/draw-tite.aspx
I'm soon gonna build bumpers and was planning on integrated 2"x2"
receivers front and rear to handle a portable winch cradle for all the
good reasons listed by snwbrdrpr. Assuming that I design my bumpers to
take advantage of all possible vehicle mount points and that the
receiver tubes and surrounding bumper are sufficiently beefy (3/16") and
properly welded, do I need to be concerned about using a 9K winch on a
portable cradle?
Anyone got any good links on bumper design/construction when integrating
a receiver tube?
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
> load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
> even close.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>
>>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
>>I perfer this model since:
>>1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
>>the front.
>>2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
>>3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
>>4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
>>not need the winch plate or guard.
>>5) I have it wired for the back as well.
>>6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>>
>>But you should get the following for you winch
>>1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
>>2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
>>forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>>
>>I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
>>are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
>>in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
>>future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!
>
>
>
You sure that a 2" receiver can't handle it? Yes, most class III hitches
are rated at 5-6,000 lb, but class IV 2" receiver hitches can rate up to
10K. The front mount receiver hitch at the bottom of the following link
has a rated winching capacity of 9K:
http://www.etrailer.com/draw-tite.aspx
I'm soon gonna build bumpers and was planning on integrated 2"x2"
receivers front and rear to handle a portable winch cradle for all the
good reasons listed by snwbrdrpr. Assuming that I design my bumpers to
take advantage of all possible vehicle mount points and that the
receiver tubes and surrounding bumper are sufficiently beefy (3/16") and
properly welded, do I need to be concerned about using a 9K winch on a
portable cradle?
Anyone got any good links on bumper design/construction when integrating
a receiver tube?
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
> load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
> even close.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>
>>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
>>I perfer this model since:
>>1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
>>the front.
>>2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
>>3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
>>4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
>>not need the winch plate or guard.
>>5) I have it wired for the back as well.
>>6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>>
>>But you should get the following for you winch
>>1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
>>2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
>>forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>>
>>I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
>>are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
>>in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
>>future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!
>
>
>
09-01-2004, 04:43 PM
#36
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Re: winch questions
Hi Jerry,
You sure that a 2" receiver can't handle it? Yes, most class III hitches
are rated at 5-6,000 lb, but class IV 2" receiver hitches can rate up to
10K. The front mount receiver hitch at the bottom of the following link
has a rated winching capacity of 9K:
http://www.etrailer.com/draw-tite.aspx
I'm soon gonna build bumpers and was planning on integrated 2"x2"
receivers front and rear to handle a portable winch cradle for all the
good reasons listed by snwbrdrpr. Assuming that I design my bumpers to
take advantage of all possible vehicle mount points and that the
receiver tubes and surrounding bumper are sufficiently beefy (3/16") and
properly welded, do I need to be concerned about using a 9K winch on a
portable cradle?
Anyone got any good links on bumper design/construction when integrating
a receiver tube?
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
> load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
> even close.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>
>>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
>>I perfer this model since:
>>1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
>>the front.
>>2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
>>3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
>>4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
>>not need the winch plate or guard.
>>5) I have it wired for the back as well.
>>6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>>
>>But you should get the following for you winch
>>1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
>>2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
>>forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>>
>>I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
>>are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
>>in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
>>future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!
>
>
>
You sure that a 2" receiver can't handle it? Yes, most class III hitches
are rated at 5-6,000 lb, but class IV 2" receiver hitches can rate up to
10K. The front mount receiver hitch at the bottom of the following link
has a rated winching capacity of 9K:
http://www.etrailer.com/draw-tite.aspx
I'm soon gonna build bumpers and was planning on integrated 2"x2"
receivers front and rear to handle a portable winch cradle for all the
good reasons listed by snwbrdrpr. Assuming that I design my bumpers to
take advantage of all possible vehicle mount points and that the
receiver tubes and surrounding bumper are sufficiently beefy (3/16") and
properly welded, do I need to be concerned about using a 9K winch on a
portable cradle?
Anyone got any good links on bumper design/construction when integrating
a receiver tube?
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
> load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
> even close.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>
>>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
>>I perfer this model since:
>>1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
>>the front.
>>2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
>>3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
>>4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
>>not need the winch plate or guard.
>>5) I have it wired for the back as well.
>>6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>>
>>But you should get the following for you winch
>>1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
>>2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
>>forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>>
>>I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
>>are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
>>in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
>>future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!
>
>
>
09-01-2004, 04:43 PM
#37
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: winch questions
Hi Jerry,
You sure that a 2" receiver can't handle it? Yes, most class III hitches
are rated at 5-6,000 lb, but class IV 2" receiver hitches can rate up to
10K. The front mount receiver hitch at the bottom of the following link
has a rated winching capacity of 9K:
http://www.etrailer.com/draw-tite.aspx
I'm soon gonna build bumpers and was planning on integrated 2"x2"
receivers front and rear to handle a portable winch cradle for all the
good reasons listed by snwbrdrpr. Assuming that I design my bumpers to
take advantage of all possible vehicle mount points and that the
receiver tubes and surrounding bumper are sufficiently beefy (3/16") and
properly welded, do I need to be concerned about using a 9K winch on a
portable cradle?
Anyone got any good links on bumper design/construction when integrating
a receiver tube?
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
> load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
> even close.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>
>>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
>>I perfer this model since:
>>1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
>>the front.
>>2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
>>3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
>>4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
>>not need the winch plate or guard.
>>5) I have it wired for the back as well.
>>6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>>
>>But you should get the following for you winch
>>1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
>>2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
>>forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>>
>>I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
>>are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
>>in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
>>future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!
>
>
>
You sure that a 2" receiver can't handle it? Yes, most class III hitches
are rated at 5-6,000 lb, but class IV 2" receiver hitches can rate up to
10K. The front mount receiver hitch at the bottom of the following link
has a rated winching capacity of 9K:
http://www.etrailer.com/draw-tite.aspx
I'm soon gonna build bumpers and was planning on integrated 2"x2"
receivers front and rear to handle a portable winch cradle for all the
good reasons listed by snwbrdrpr. Assuming that I design my bumpers to
take advantage of all possible vehicle mount points and that the
receiver tubes and surrounding bumper are sufficiently beefy (3/16") and
properly welded, do I need to be concerned about using a 9K winch on a
portable cradle?
Anyone got any good links on bumper design/construction when integrating
a receiver tube?
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
> load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
> even close.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>
>>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
>>I perfer this model since:
>>1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
>>the front.
>>2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
>>3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
>>4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
>>not need the winch plate or guard.
>>5) I have it wired for the back as well.
>>6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>>
>>But you should get the following for you winch
>>1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
>>2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
>>forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>>
>>I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
>>are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
>>in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
>>future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!
>
>
>
09-01-2004, 04:55 PM
#38
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: winch questions
Hitches are weight-rated differently than winches are. They're rated for
"rolling weight" of the trailer which is nowhere even near the actual weight
of the trailer. So if it's rated to tow a 3500 lb. trailer, it's really
pulling WAY less than 3500 lbs. A winch is rated for the true pulling
weight... and I doubt whether the front 2" receiver you mounted on your TJ
is rated for much more than 3500 lbs. rolling weight.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:rvqZc.117121$Np3.5087800@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Hi Jerry,
>
> You sure that a 2" receiver can't handle it? Yes, most class III hitches
> are rated at 5-6,000 lb, but class IV 2" receiver hitches can rate up to
> 10K. The front mount receiver hitch at the bottom of the following link
> has a rated winching capacity of 9K:
>
> http://www.etrailer.com/draw-tite.aspx
>
> I'm soon gonna build bumpers and was planning on integrated 2"x2"
> receivers front and rear to handle a portable winch cradle for all the
> good reasons listed by snwbrdrpr. Assuming that I design my bumpers to
> take advantage of all possible vehicle mount points and that the receiver
> tubes and surrounding bumper are sufficiently beefy (3/16") and properly
> welded, do I need to be concerned about using a 9K winch on a portable
> cradle?
>
> Anyone got any good links on bumper design/construction when integrating a
> receiver tube?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
>> load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
>> even close.
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>>
>>>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
>>>I perfer this model since:
>>>1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
>>>the front.
>>>2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
>>>3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
>>>4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
>>>not need the winch plate or guard.
>>>5) I have it wired for the back as well.
>>>6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>>>
>>>But you should get the following for you winch
>>>1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
>>>2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
>>>forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>>>
>>>I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
>>>are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
>>>in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
>>>future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!
>>
>>
"rolling weight" of the trailer which is nowhere even near the actual weight
of the trailer. So if it's rated to tow a 3500 lb. trailer, it's really
pulling WAY less than 3500 lbs. A winch is rated for the true pulling
weight... and I doubt whether the front 2" receiver you mounted on your TJ
is rated for much more than 3500 lbs. rolling weight.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:rvqZc.117121$Np3.5087800@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Hi Jerry,
>
> You sure that a 2" receiver can't handle it? Yes, most class III hitches
> are rated at 5-6,000 lb, but class IV 2" receiver hitches can rate up to
> 10K. The front mount receiver hitch at the bottom of the following link
> has a rated winching capacity of 9K:
>
> http://www.etrailer.com/draw-tite.aspx
>
> I'm soon gonna build bumpers and was planning on integrated 2"x2"
> receivers front and rear to handle a portable winch cradle for all the
> good reasons listed by snwbrdrpr. Assuming that I design my bumpers to
> take advantage of all possible vehicle mount points and that the receiver
> tubes and surrounding bumper are sufficiently beefy (3/16") and properly
> welded, do I need to be concerned about using a 9K winch on a portable
> cradle?
>
> Anyone got any good links on bumper design/construction when integrating a
> receiver tube?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
>> load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
>> even close.
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>>
>>>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
>>>I perfer this model since:
>>>1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
>>>the front.
>>>2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
>>>3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
>>>4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
>>>not need the winch plate or guard.
>>>5) I have it wired for the back as well.
>>>6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>>>
>>>But you should get the following for you winch
>>>1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
>>>2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
>>>forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>>>
>>>I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
>>>are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
>>>in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
>>>future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!
>>
>>
09-01-2004, 04:55 PM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: winch questions
Hitches are weight-rated differently than winches are. They're rated for
"rolling weight" of the trailer which is nowhere even near the actual weight
of the trailer. So if it's rated to tow a 3500 lb. trailer, it's really
pulling WAY less than 3500 lbs. A winch is rated for the true pulling
weight... and I doubt whether the front 2" receiver you mounted on your TJ
is rated for much more than 3500 lbs. rolling weight.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:rvqZc.117121$Np3.5087800@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Hi Jerry,
>
> You sure that a 2" receiver can't handle it? Yes, most class III hitches
> are rated at 5-6,000 lb, but class IV 2" receiver hitches can rate up to
> 10K. The front mount receiver hitch at the bottom of the following link
> has a rated winching capacity of 9K:
>
> http://www.etrailer.com/draw-tite.aspx
>
> I'm soon gonna build bumpers and was planning on integrated 2"x2"
> receivers front and rear to handle a portable winch cradle for all the
> good reasons listed by snwbrdrpr. Assuming that I design my bumpers to
> take advantage of all possible vehicle mount points and that the receiver
> tubes and surrounding bumper are sufficiently beefy (3/16") and properly
> welded, do I need to be concerned about using a 9K winch on a portable
> cradle?
>
> Anyone got any good links on bumper design/construction when integrating a
> receiver tube?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
>> load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
>> even close.
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>>
>>>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
>>>I perfer this model since:
>>>1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
>>>the front.
>>>2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
>>>3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
>>>4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
>>>not need the winch plate or guard.
>>>5) I have it wired for the back as well.
>>>6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>>>
>>>But you should get the following for you winch
>>>1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
>>>2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
>>>forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>>>
>>>I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
>>>are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
>>>in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
>>>future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!
>>
>>
"rolling weight" of the trailer which is nowhere even near the actual weight
of the trailer. So if it's rated to tow a 3500 lb. trailer, it's really
pulling WAY less than 3500 lbs. A winch is rated for the true pulling
weight... and I doubt whether the front 2" receiver you mounted on your TJ
is rated for much more than 3500 lbs. rolling weight.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:rvqZc.117121$Np3.5087800@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Hi Jerry,
>
> You sure that a 2" receiver can't handle it? Yes, most class III hitches
> are rated at 5-6,000 lb, but class IV 2" receiver hitches can rate up to
> 10K. The front mount receiver hitch at the bottom of the following link
> has a rated winching capacity of 9K:
>
> http://www.etrailer.com/draw-tite.aspx
>
> I'm soon gonna build bumpers and was planning on integrated 2"x2"
> receivers front and rear to handle a portable winch cradle for all the
> good reasons listed by snwbrdrpr. Assuming that I design my bumpers to
> take advantage of all possible vehicle mount points and that the receiver
> tubes and surrounding bumper are sufficiently beefy (3/16") and properly
> welded, do I need to be concerned about using a 9K winch on a portable
> cradle?
>
> Anyone got any good links on bumper design/construction when integrating a
> receiver tube?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
>> load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
>> even close.
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>>
>>>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
>>>I perfer this model since:
>>>1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
>>>the front.
>>>2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
>>>3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
>>>4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
>>>not need the winch plate or guard.
>>>5) I have it wired for the back as well.
>>>6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>>>
>>>But you should get the following for you winch
>>>1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
>>>2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
>>>forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>>>
>>>I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
>>>are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
>>>in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
>>>future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!
>>
>>
09-01-2004, 04:55 PM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: winch questions
Hitches are weight-rated differently than winches are. They're rated for
"rolling weight" of the trailer which is nowhere even near the actual weight
of the trailer. So if it's rated to tow a 3500 lb. trailer, it's really
pulling WAY less than 3500 lbs. A winch is rated for the true pulling
weight... and I doubt whether the front 2" receiver you mounted on your TJ
is rated for much more than 3500 lbs. rolling weight.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:rvqZc.117121$Np3.5087800@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Hi Jerry,
>
> You sure that a 2" receiver can't handle it? Yes, most class III hitches
> are rated at 5-6,000 lb, but class IV 2" receiver hitches can rate up to
> 10K. The front mount receiver hitch at the bottom of the following link
> has a rated winching capacity of 9K:
>
> http://www.etrailer.com/draw-tite.aspx
>
> I'm soon gonna build bumpers and was planning on integrated 2"x2"
> receivers front and rear to handle a portable winch cradle for all the
> good reasons listed by snwbrdrpr. Assuming that I design my bumpers to
> take advantage of all possible vehicle mount points and that the receiver
> tubes and surrounding bumper are sufficiently beefy (3/16") and properly
> welded, do I need to be concerned about using a 9K winch on a portable
> cradle?
>
> Anyone got any good links on bumper design/construction when integrating a
> receiver tube?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
>> load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
>> even close.
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>>
>>>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
>>>I perfer this model since:
>>>1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
>>>the front.
>>>2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
>>>3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
>>>4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
>>>not need the winch plate or guard.
>>>5) I have it wired for the back as well.
>>>6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>>>
>>>But you should get the following for you winch
>>>1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
>>>2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
>>>forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>>>
>>>I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
>>>are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
>>>in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
>>>future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!
>>
>>
"rolling weight" of the trailer which is nowhere even near the actual weight
of the trailer. So if it's rated to tow a 3500 lb. trailer, it's really
pulling WAY less than 3500 lbs. A winch is rated for the true pulling
weight... and I doubt whether the front 2" receiver you mounted on your TJ
is rated for much more than 3500 lbs. rolling weight.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:rvqZc.117121$Np3.5087800@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Hi Jerry,
>
> You sure that a 2" receiver can't handle it? Yes, most class III hitches
> are rated at 5-6,000 lb, but class IV 2" receiver hitches can rate up to
> 10K. The front mount receiver hitch at the bottom of the following link
> has a rated winching capacity of 9K:
>
> http://www.etrailer.com/draw-tite.aspx
>
> I'm soon gonna build bumpers and was planning on integrated 2"x2"
> receivers front and rear to handle a portable winch cradle for all the
> good reasons listed by snwbrdrpr. Assuming that I design my bumpers to
> take advantage of all possible vehicle mount points and that the receiver
> tubes and surrounding bumper are sufficiently beefy (3/16") and properly
> welded, do I need to be concerned about using a 9K winch on a portable
> cradle?
>
> Anyone got any good links on bumper design/construction when integrating a
> receiver tube?
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> I hope you never have to really put that winch to the test under a heavy
>> load.... your receiver hitch is most definitely not up to the task. Not
>> even close.
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> "Snowboardripper" <snowboardripper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:72ce17be.0409010755.3c866216@posting.google.c om...
>>
>>>I have the warn 9000 winch which is removable.
>>>I perfer this model since:
>>>1) My jeep is a daily driver, I do not need and extra 100 pounds on
>>>the front.
>>>2) It will not get stolen since it is safe in my garage
>>>3) It is not exposed to the elements everyday since it is stored
>>>4) I just installed a 2" receiver hitch on the front of my jeep, I do
>>>not need the winch plate or guard.
>>>5) I have it wired for the back as well.
>>>6) I can share it with my other jeeps.
>>>
>>>But you should get the following for you winch
>>>1) a good battery, the winch will draw a lot of current
>>>2) install a hand throttle so that when you are winching you will not
>>>forget to increase the rpm and kill your battery.
>>>
>>>I think the winch was the best investment I ever made. Also if you
>>>are buying a winch spend the extra money, for example the difference
>>>in price between the 8000 and 9000 is very little. Think in the
>>>future, it is better to get a bigger one right away!
>>
>>