The great emasculation started in Kalifornia much earlier than
elsewhere, and went nationwide in 1971 with the massive drop in
compression [even without unleaded]. Easy way to remember is that
in 1970 you could drive a 370hp LT1 Camaro off the dealer lot and
hit over 140 mph with quarters in the low teens. In 1971 you were
lucky to drive it off the lot.


twaldron proclaimed:

> You mean '74 on?? Unleaded fuel wasn't widely available before 1973.
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> They surely were down here, not just Kalifornia, from '64 on. One
>> of the injection flange nuts from my '67 CJ-5:
>> http://www.----------.com/airInjectionPlug.jpg
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>> My brother's '70 Torino (which I also drove through high school) had
>>> no smog
>>> equipment that I can remember, just a vacuum advance on the
>>> distributor...
>>>
>>> http://home.triad.rr.com/redsled/torinohome.html
>
>

 

I dunno what everyone's gripe with the 4banger is. I admit I'll be upgrading
my '85 CJ7 to either a V8 350 or a 4.0L H.O. 258 I6 with a fuel injection
system at some point in the near future ...but I gotta say that my little
2.5L 4cyl in my CJ has ALOT of *****. Then again ...I can understand it if
you are either rockcrawling or need any speed above 80km/h. However, for mud
and regular trails, as well as for pulling vehicles out of the mud, my
little 4cyl has WAY more low-end torque then my '88 YJ had with the 258 I6.
I've done stuff in the short time I've owned this CJ that my YJ could never
have hoped to do. Maybe it's the gearing? Either way ...I'm happy with the 4
and will only swap over when she finally blows. And it seems I'll have
replaced all my under-the-hood components before that time while I try and
get it running again ;p

--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:grChd.4258$fC4.2462@newssvr11.news.prodigy.co m...
> Ok, ___DON'T___ get the 4 cyl with an auto! If you must get the 4
> banger, get the std trans. However, I highly recommend the 6cyl (which
> isn't much worse on gas) with the tranny of your choice.

 

I dunno what everyone's gripe with the 4banger is. I admit I'll be upgrading
my '85 CJ7 to either a V8 350 or a 4.0L H.O. 258 I6 with a fuel injection
system at some point in the near future ...but I gotta say that my little
2.5L 4cyl in my CJ has ALOT of *****. Then again ...I can understand it if
you are either rockcrawling or need any speed above 80km/h. However, for mud
and regular trails, as well as for pulling vehicles out of the mud, my
little 4cyl has WAY more low-end torque then my '88 YJ had with the 258 I6.
I've done stuff in the short time I've owned this CJ that my YJ could never
have hoped to do. Maybe it's the gearing? Either way ...I'm happy with the 4
and will only swap over when she finally blows. And it seems I'll have
replaced all my under-the-hood components before that time while I try and
get it running again ;p

--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:grChd.4258$fC4.2462@newssvr11.news.prodigy.co m...
> Ok, ___DON'T___ get the 4 cyl with an auto! If you must get the 4
> banger, get the std trans. However, I highly recommend the 6cyl (which
> isn't much worse on gas) with the tranny of your choice.

 

I dunno what everyone's gripe with the 4banger is. I admit I'll be upgrading
my '85 CJ7 to either a V8 350 or a 4.0L H.O. 258 I6 with a fuel injection
system at some point in the near future ...but I gotta say that my little
2.5L 4cyl in my CJ has ALOT of *****. Then again ...I can understand it if
you are either rockcrawling or need any speed above 80km/h. However, for mud
and regular trails, as well as for pulling vehicles out of the mud, my
little 4cyl has WAY more low-end torque then my '88 YJ had with the 258 I6.
I've done stuff in the short time I've owned this CJ that my YJ could never
have hoped to do. Maybe it's the gearing? Either way ...I'm happy with the 4
and will only swap over when she finally blows. And it seems I'll have
replaced all my under-the-hood components before that time while I try and
get it running again ;p

--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:grChd.4258$fC4.2462@newssvr11.news.prodigy.co m...
> Ok, ___DON'T___ get the 4 cyl with an auto! If you must get the 4
> banger, get the std trans. However, I highly recommend the 6cyl (which
> isn't much worse on gas) with the tranny of your choice.

 

Yup! :-(
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lon wrote:
>
> The great emasculation started in Kalifornia much earlier than
> elsewhere, and went nationwide in 1971 with the massive drop in
> compression [even without unleaded]. Easy way to remember is that
> in 1970 you could drive a 370hp LT1 Camaro off the dealer lot and
> hit over 140 mph with quarters in the low teens. In 1971 you were
> lucky to drive it off the lot.

 

Yup! :-(
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lon wrote:
>
> The great emasculation started in Kalifornia much earlier than
> elsewhere, and went nationwide in 1971 with the massive drop in
> compression [even without unleaded]. Easy way to remember is that
> in 1970 you could drive a 370hp LT1 Camaro off the dealer lot and
> hit over 140 mph with quarters in the low teens. In 1971 you were
> lucky to drive it off the lot.

 

Yup! :-(
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lon wrote:
>
> The great emasculation started in Kalifornia much earlier than
> elsewhere, and went nationwide in 1971 with the massive drop in
> compression [even without unleaded]. Easy way to remember is that
> in 1970 you could drive a 370hp LT1 Camaro off the dealer lot and
> hit over 140 mph with quarters in the low teens. In 1971 you were
> lucky to drive it off the lot.

 

Unleaded gas and cats made their way up here (Canada) in about 1976-1977
depending on the size of the vehicle, a buddy has a 76 Aspen that came from
the factory catsless and ran on leaded gas. They continued to sell regular
gas here until the late 80's, my 1986 Hyundai Pony (never sold south of the
border) ran on regular gas which at that time was about 10 to 13 cents/liter
cheaper then unleaded.

Snow...

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4186F7C1.E0CA00F0@***.net...
> Every service station in Kalifornia was required to carry unleaded
> by '69 when I lost my 105 octane Custom Supreme pumps to it. One of the
> decals I put on my spare tire carrier:
> http://www.----------.com/chevdecal.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> twaldron wrote:
> >
> > You mean '74 on?? Unleaded fuel wasn't widely available before 1973.

 

Unleaded gas and cats made their way up here (Canada) in about 1976-1977
depending on the size of the vehicle, a buddy has a 76 Aspen that came from
the factory catsless and ran on leaded gas. They continued to sell regular
gas here until the late 80's, my 1986 Hyundai Pony (never sold south of the
border) ran on regular gas which at that time was about 10 to 13 cents/liter
cheaper then unleaded.

Snow...

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4186F7C1.E0CA00F0@***.net...
> Every service station in Kalifornia was required to carry unleaded
> by '69 when I lost my 105 octane Custom Supreme pumps to it. One of the
> decals I put on my spare tire carrier:
> http://www.----------.com/chevdecal.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> twaldron wrote:
> >
> > You mean '74 on?? Unleaded fuel wasn't widely available before 1973.

 

Unleaded gas and cats made their way up here (Canada) in about 1976-1977
depending on the size of the vehicle, a buddy has a 76 Aspen that came from
the factory catsless and ran on leaded gas. They continued to sell regular
gas here until the late 80's, my 1986 Hyundai Pony (never sold south of the
border) ran on regular gas which at that time was about 10 to 13 cents/liter
cheaper then unleaded.

Snow...

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4186F7C1.E0CA00F0@***.net...
> Every service station in Kalifornia was required to carry unleaded
> by '69 when I lost my 105 octane Custom Supreme pumps to it. One of the
> decals I put on my spare tire carrier:
> http://www.----------.com/chevdecal.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> twaldron wrote:
> >
> > You mean '74 on?? Unleaded fuel wasn't widely available before 1973.