Why no fuel effecient Jeep?
11-01-2004, 09:52 PM
#191
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Re: Why no fuel effecient Jeep?
Not true, Bill. I remember you were right once. I just can't remember
what it was about.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> When I am right, No one remembers. When I am wrong, No one forgets.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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what it was about.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> When I am right, No one remembers. When I am wrong, No one forgets.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
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11-01-2004, 09:52 PM
#192
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Re: Why no fuel effecient Jeep?
Not true, Bill. I remember you were right once. I just can't remember
what it was about.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> When I am right, No one remembers. When I am wrong, No one forgets.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
what it was about.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> When I am right, No one remembers. When I am wrong, No one forgets.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
11-01-2004, 09:52 PM
#193
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Re: Why no fuel effecient Jeep?
Not true, Bill. I remember you were right once. I just can't remember
what it was about.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> When I am right, No one remembers. When I am wrong, No one forgets.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
what it was about.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> When I am right, No one remembers. When I am wrong, No one forgets.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
11-01-2004, 09:55 PM
#194
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Re: Why no fuel effecient Jeep?
You will come to a point where the idle drops off 'real' fast and it
starts to stumble. You then go back rich 1/4 turn and it will be stable
with the slightest rumble in it. Back it off another 1/2 turn or more
and it will purr but stink....
Mike
twaldron wrote:
>
> Gotcha, ok I'm using your technique! ;) When do I know to stop?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are messing with the idle mix jets only. This affects anything
> > under about 1500 rpm, from there up, the main jets take over.
> >
> > The idle mix jets are the important ones for off road though.
> >
> > It also is pretty hard to get her too lean, you would have to have the
> > idle speed up over 1200 rpm.
> >
> > The leanest you can get it while keeping a fairly stable 700 rpm or
> > whatever idle is called for is the way to go. I keep turning and
> > turning, a little lean, give it a shot of gas, a little more on the rpm
> > screw, give it a shot of gas, a little leaner, etc., etc.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > twaldron wrote:
> >
> >>Yeah, I was going to try that. It does smell of raw fuel sometimes. I
> >>just don't want to lean it out too much and cause it to run hot.
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I was wondering that too.
> >>>
> >>>Then try running a leaner idle mix maybe and see what it smells like?
> >>>
> >>>I have to bump up the idle speed while leaning it to keep it running.
> >>>Something like a long six is supposed to have a bit of a rumble in it
> >>>for best lean. If you make it purr, it will be too rich and it will
> >>>stink.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>
> >>>twaldron wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Yeah, but it's a 1971. What smog crap?
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>That's the problem with all the smog crap. If it isn't working right,
> >>>>>then folks fiddle to make them run. Sure they run, but.....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Getting the idle mix to 'best lean' does them wonders, but everything
> >>>>>has to be working to get there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Give it a tune-up. That engine is so SMOGed it's pitiful.
> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>twaldron wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I have a '71 Bronco that is that way. I even considered putting a
> >>>>>>>freeflow CAT on it to make it smell better but I'm not sure what that
> >>>>>>>would do to the engine.
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>>>tw
> >>>>
> >>>>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> >>>>01 XJ Sport
> >>>>
> >>>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>>>-- Dave Barry
> >>>>
> >>>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
> >>>>Function: noun
> >>>>Date: 1940
> >>>>
> >>>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> >>>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> >>>>World War II.
> >>>>
> >>>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>
> >>--
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
> >>tw
> >>
> >>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> >>01 XJ Sport
> >>
> >>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>-- Dave Barry
> >>
> >>Pronunciation: 'jEp
> >>Function: noun
> >>Date: 1940
> >>
> >>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> >>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> >>World War II.
> >>
> >>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
starts to stumble. You then go back rich 1/4 turn and it will be stable
with the slightest rumble in it. Back it off another 1/2 turn or more
and it will purr but stink....
Mike
twaldron wrote:
>
> Gotcha, ok I'm using your technique! ;) When do I know to stop?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are messing with the idle mix jets only. This affects anything
> > under about 1500 rpm, from there up, the main jets take over.
> >
> > The idle mix jets are the important ones for off road though.
> >
> > It also is pretty hard to get her too lean, you would have to have the
> > idle speed up over 1200 rpm.
> >
> > The leanest you can get it while keeping a fairly stable 700 rpm or
> > whatever idle is called for is the way to go. I keep turning and
> > turning, a little lean, give it a shot of gas, a little more on the rpm
> > screw, give it a shot of gas, a little leaner, etc., etc.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > twaldron wrote:
> >
> >>Yeah, I was going to try that. It does smell of raw fuel sometimes. I
> >>just don't want to lean it out too much and cause it to run hot.
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I was wondering that too.
> >>>
> >>>Then try running a leaner idle mix maybe and see what it smells like?
> >>>
> >>>I have to bump up the idle speed while leaning it to keep it running.
> >>>Something like a long six is supposed to have a bit of a rumble in it
> >>>for best lean. If you make it purr, it will be too rich and it will
> >>>stink.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>
> >>>twaldron wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Yeah, but it's a 1971. What smog crap?
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>That's the problem with all the smog crap. If it isn't working right,
> >>>>>then folks fiddle to make them run. Sure they run, but.....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Getting the idle mix to 'best lean' does them wonders, but everything
> >>>>>has to be working to get there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Give it a tune-up. That engine is so SMOGed it's pitiful.
> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>twaldron wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I have a '71 Bronco that is that way. I even considered putting a
> >>>>>>>freeflow CAT on it to make it smell better but I'm not sure what that
> >>>>>>>would do to the engine.
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>>>tw
> >>>>
> >>>>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> >>>>01 XJ Sport
> >>>>
> >>>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>>>-- Dave Barry
> >>>>
> >>>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
> >>>>Function: noun
> >>>>Date: 1940
> >>>>
> >>>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> >>>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> >>>>World War II.
> >>>>
> >>>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>
> >>--
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
> >>tw
> >>
> >>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> >>01 XJ Sport
> >>
> >>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>-- Dave Barry
> >>
> >>Pronunciation: 'jEp
> >>Function: noun
> >>Date: 1940
> >>
> >>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> >>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> >>World War II.
> >>
> >>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
11-01-2004, 09:55 PM
#195
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Why no fuel effecient Jeep?
You will come to a point where the idle drops off 'real' fast and it
starts to stumble. You then go back rich 1/4 turn and it will be stable
with the slightest rumble in it. Back it off another 1/2 turn or more
and it will purr but stink....
Mike
twaldron wrote:
>
> Gotcha, ok I'm using your technique! ;) When do I know to stop?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are messing with the idle mix jets only. This affects anything
> > under about 1500 rpm, from there up, the main jets take over.
> >
> > The idle mix jets are the important ones for off road though.
> >
> > It also is pretty hard to get her too lean, you would have to have the
> > idle speed up over 1200 rpm.
> >
> > The leanest you can get it while keeping a fairly stable 700 rpm or
> > whatever idle is called for is the way to go. I keep turning and
> > turning, a little lean, give it a shot of gas, a little more on the rpm
> > screw, give it a shot of gas, a little leaner, etc., etc.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > twaldron wrote:
> >
> >>Yeah, I was going to try that. It does smell of raw fuel sometimes. I
> >>just don't want to lean it out too much and cause it to run hot.
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I was wondering that too.
> >>>
> >>>Then try running a leaner idle mix maybe and see what it smells like?
> >>>
> >>>I have to bump up the idle speed while leaning it to keep it running.
> >>>Something like a long six is supposed to have a bit of a rumble in it
> >>>for best lean. If you make it purr, it will be too rich and it will
> >>>stink.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>
> >>>twaldron wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Yeah, but it's a 1971. What smog crap?
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>That's the problem with all the smog crap. If it isn't working right,
> >>>>>then folks fiddle to make them run. Sure they run, but.....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Getting the idle mix to 'best lean' does them wonders, but everything
> >>>>>has to be working to get there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Give it a tune-up. That engine is so SMOGed it's pitiful.
> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>twaldron wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I have a '71 Bronco that is that way. I even considered putting a
> >>>>>>>freeflow CAT on it to make it smell better but I'm not sure what that
> >>>>>>>would do to the engine.
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>>>tw
> >>>>
> >>>>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> >>>>01 XJ Sport
> >>>>
> >>>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>>>-- Dave Barry
> >>>>
> >>>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
> >>>>Function: noun
> >>>>Date: 1940
> >>>>
> >>>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> >>>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> >>>>World War II.
> >>>>
> >>>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>
> >>--
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
> >>tw
> >>
> >>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> >>01 XJ Sport
> >>
> >>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>-- Dave Barry
> >>
> >>Pronunciation: 'jEp
> >>Function: noun
> >>Date: 1940
> >>
> >>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> >>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> >>World War II.
> >>
> >>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
starts to stumble. You then go back rich 1/4 turn and it will be stable
with the slightest rumble in it. Back it off another 1/2 turn or more
and it will purr but stink....
Mike
twaldron wrote:
>
> Gotcha, ok I'm using your technique! ;) When do I know to stop?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are messing with the idle mix jets only. This affects anything
> > under about 1500 rpm, from there up, the main jets take over.
> >
> > The idle mix jets are the important ones for off road though.
> >
> > It also is pretty hard to get her too lean, you would have to have the
> > idle speed up over 1200 rpm.
> >
> > The leanest you can get it while keeping a fairly stable 700 rpm or
> > whatever idle is called for is the way to go. I keep turning and
> > turning, a little lean, give it a shot of gas, a little more on the rpm
> > screw, give it a shot of gas, a little leaner, etc., etc.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > twaldron wrote:
> >
> >>Yeah, I was going to try that. It does smell of raw fuel sometimes. I
> >>just don't want to lean it out too much and cause it to run hot.
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I was wondering that too.
> >>>
> >>>Then try running a leaner idle mix maybe and see what it smells like?
> >>>
> >>>I have to bump up the idle speed while leaning it to keep it running.
> >>>Something like a long six is supposed to have a bit of a rumble in it
> >>>for best lean. If you make it purr, it will be too rich and it will
> >>>stink.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>
> >>>twaldron wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Yeah, but it's a 1971. What smog crap?
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>That's the problem with all the smog crap. If it isn't working right,
> >>>>>then folks fiddle to make them run. Sure they run, but.....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Getting the idle mix to 'best lean' does them wonders, but everything
> >>>>>has to be working to get there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Give it a tune-up. That engine is so SMOGed it's pitiful.
> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>twaldron wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I have a '71 Bronco that is that way. I even considered putting a
> >>>>>>>freeflow CAT on it to make it smell better but I'm not sure what that
> >>>>>>>would do to the engine.
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>>>tw
> >>>>
> >>>>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> >>>>01 XJ Sport
> >>>>
> >>>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>>>-- Dave Barry
> >>>>
> >>>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
> >>>>Function: noun
> >>>>Date: 1940
> >>>>
> >>>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> >>>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> >>>>World War II.
> >>>>
> >>>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>
> >>--
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
> >>tw
> >>
> >>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> >>01 XJ Sport
> >>
> >>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>-- Dave Barry
> >>
> >>Pronunciation: 'jEp
> >>Function: noun
> >>Date: 1940
> >>
> >>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> >>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> >>World War II.
> >>
> >>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
11-01-2004, 09:55 PM
#196
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Why no fuel effecient Jeep?
You will come to a point where the idle drops off 'real' fast and it
starts to stumble. You then go back rich 1/4 turn and it will be stable
with the slightest rumble in it. Back it off another 1/2 turn or more
and it will purr but stink....
Mike
twaldron wrote:
>
> Gotcha, ok I'm using your technique! ;) When do I know to stop?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are messing with the idle mix jets only. This affects anything
> > under about 1500 rpm, from there up, the main jets take over.
> >
> > The idle mix jets are the important ones for off road though.
> >
> > It also is pretty hard to get her too lean, you would have to have the
> > idle speed up over 1200 rpm.
> >
> > The leanest you can get it while keeping a fairly stable 700 rpm or
> > whatever idle is called for is the way to go. I keep turning and
> > turning, a little lean, give it a shot of gas, a little more on the rpm
> > screw, give it a shot of gas, a little leaner, etc., etc.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > twaldron wrote:
> >
> >>Yeah, I was going to try that. It does smell of raw fuel sometimes. I
> >>just don't want to lean it out too much and cause it to run hot.
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I was wondering that too.
> >>>
> >>>Then try running a leaner idle mix maybe and see what it smells like?
> >>>
> >>>I have to bump up the idle speed while leaning it to keep it running.
> >>>Something like a long six is supposed to have a bit of a rumble in it
> >>>for best lean. If you make it purr, it will be too rich and it will
> >>>stink.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>
> >>>twaldron wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Yeah, but it's a 1971. What smog crap?
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>That's the problem with all the smog crap. If it isn't working right,
> >>>>>then folks fiddle to make them run. Sure they run, but.....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Getting the idle mix to 'best lean' does them wonders, but everything
> >>>>>has to be working to get there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Give it a tune-up. That engine is so SMOGed it's pitiful.
> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>twaldron wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I have a '71 Bronco that is that way. I even considered putting a
> >>>>>>>freeflow CAT on it to make it smell better but I'm not sure what that
> >>>>>>>would do to the engine.
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>>>tw
> >>>>
> >>>>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> >>>>01 XJ Sport
> >>>>
> >>>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>>>-- Dave Barry
> >>>>
> >>>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
> >>>>Function: noun
> >>>>Date: 1940
> >>>>
> >>>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> >>>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> >>>>World War II.
> >>>>
> >>>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>
> >>--
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
> >>tw
> >>
> >>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> >>01 XJ Sport
> >>
> >>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>-- Dave Barry
> >>
> >>Pronunciation: 'jEp
> >>Function: noun
> >>Date: 1940
> >>
> >>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> >>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> >>World War II.
> >>
> >>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
starts to stumble. You then go back rich 1/4 turn and it will be stable
with the slightest rumble in it. Back it off another 1/2 turn or more
and it will purr but stink....
Mike
twaldron wrote:
>
> Gotcha, ok I'm using your technique! ;) When do I know to stop?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You are messing with the idle mix jets only. This affects anything
> > under about 1500 rpm, from there up, the main jets take over.
> >
> > The idle mix jets are the important ones for off road though.
> >
> > It also is pretty hard to get her too lean, you would have to have the
> > idle speed up over 1200 rpm.
> >
> > The leanest you can get it while keeping a fairly stable 700 rpm or
> > whatever idle is called for is the way to go. I keep turning and
> > turning, a little lean, give it a shot of gas, a little more on the rpm
> > screw, give it a shot of gas, a little leaner, etc., etc.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > twaldron wrote:
> >
> >>Yeah, I was going to try that. It does smell of raw fuel sometimes. I
> >>just don't want to lean it out too much and cause it to run hot.
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I was wondering that too.
> >>>
> >>>Then try running a leaner idle mix maybe and see what it smells like?
> >>>
> >>>I have to bump up the idle speed while leaning it to keep it running.
> >>>Something like a long six is supposed to have a bit of a rumble in it
> >>>for best lean. If you make it purr, it will be too rich and it will
> >>>stink.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>
> >>>twaldron wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Yeah, but it's a 1971. What smog crap?
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>That's the problem with all the smog crap. If it isn't working right,
> >>>>>then folks fiddle to make them run. Sure they run, but.....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Getting the idle mix to 'best lean' does them wonders, but everything
> >>>>>has to be working to get there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mike
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Give it a tune-up. That engine is so SMOGed it's pitiful.
> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>twaldron wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I have a '71 Bronco that is that way. I even considered putting a
> >>>>>>>freeflow CAT on it to make it smell better but I'm not sure what that
> >>>>>>>would do to the engine.
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>>>tw
> >>>>
> >>>>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> >>>>01 XJ Sport
> >>>>
> >>>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>>>-- Dave Barry
> >>>>
> >>>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
> >>>>Function: noun
> >>>>Date: 1940
> >>>>
> >>>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> >>>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> >>>>World War II.
> >>>>
> >>>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>
> >>--
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
> >>tw
> >>
> >>71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> >>01 XJ Sport
> >>
> >>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>-- Dave Barry
> >>
> >>Pronunciation: 'jEp
> >>Function: noun
> >>Date: 1940
> >>
> >>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> >>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> >>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> >>World War II.
> >>
> >>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
11-01-2004, 09:58 PM
#197
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Why no fuel effecient Jeep?
Every service station in Kalifornia was required to carry unleaded
by '69 when I lost my 105 octane Custom Supreme pumps to it. One of the
decals I put on my spare tire carrier:
http://www.----------.com/chevdecal.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
twaldron wrote:
>
> You mean '74 on?? Unleaded fuel wasn't widely available before 1973.
by '69 when I lost my 105 octane Custom Supreme pumps to it. One of the
decals I put on my spare tire carrier:
http://www.----------.com/chevdecal.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
twaldron wrote:
>
> You mean '74 on?? Unleaded fuel wasn't widely available before 1973.
11-01-2004, 09:58 PM
#198
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Re: Why no fuel effecient Jeep?
Every service station in Kalifornia was required to carry unleaded
by '69 when I lost my 105 octane Custom Supreme pumps to it. One of the
decals I put on my spare tire carrier:
http://www.----------.com/chevdecal.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
twaldron wrote:
>
> You mean '74 on?? Unleaded fuel wasn't widely available before 1973.
by '69 when I lost my 105 octane Custom Supreme pumps to it. One of the
decals I put on my spare tire carrier:
http://www.----------.com/chevdecal.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
twaldron wrote:
>
> You mean '74 on?? Unleaded fuel wasn't widely available before 1973.
11-01-2004, 09:58 PM
#199
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Posts: n/a
Re: Why no fuel effecient Jeep?
Every service station in Kalifornia was required to carry unleaded
by '69 when I lost my 105 octane Custom Supreme pumps to it. One of the
decals I put on my spare tire carrier:
http://www.----------.com/chevdecal.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
twaldron wrote:
>
> You mean '74 on?? Unleaded fuel wasn't widely available before 1973.
by '69 when I lost my 105 octane Custom Supreme pumps to it. One of the
decals I put on my spare tire carrier:
http://www.----------.com/chevdecal.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
twaldron wrote:
>
> You mean '74 on?? Unleaded fuel wasn't widely available before 1973.
11-01-2004, 10:02 PM
#200
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Posts: n/a
Re: Why no fuel effecient Jeep?
I know you ran a CA service station back then, but everywhere else it
was 1974 for unleaded fuel and cats. What about the non hardened valving
in the heads in the sixties and early seventies?
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Every service station in Kalifornia was required to carry unleaded
> by '69 when I lost my 105 octane Custom Supreme pumps to it. One of the
> decals I put on my spare tire carrier:
> http://www.----------.com/chevdecal.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> twaldron wrote:
>
>>You mean '74 on?? Unleaded fuel wasn't widely available before 1973.
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
was 1974 for unleaded fuel and cats. What about the non hardened valving
in the heads in the sixties and early seventies?
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Every service station in Kalifornia was required to carry unleaded
> by '69 when I lost my 105 octane Custom Supreme pumps to it. One of the
> decals I put on my spare tire carrier:
> http://www.----------.com/chevdecal.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> twaldron wrote:
>
>>You mean '74 on?? Unleaded fuel wasn't widely available before 1973.
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________