Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
10-15-2003, 07:37 PM
#31
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
Not sure but I don't think Av-gas is taxed at the same rate as regular pump
gas is. Buddy of mine tells me it might be hard to get Av-gas because of
this.
Greg
"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:oQSib.22548$3A6.13443@twister.austin.rr.com.. .
> "Lon Stowell" wrote ...
> > No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
> > or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
> > running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
> > the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
> > to about 12:1 with the current brew.
> >
> > There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
> > and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
>
> It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any
of
> the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be
a
> couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
> the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your
local
> airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be
Lotta
> Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas...
The
> really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
> from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> you get it from...
>
>
gas is. Buddy of mine tells me it might be hard to get Av-gas because of
this.
Greg
"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:oQSib.22548$3A6.13443@twister.austin.rr.com.. .
> "Lon Stowell" wrote ...
> > No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
> > or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
> > running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
> > the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
> > to about 12:1 with the current brew.
> >
> > There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
> > and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
>
> It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any
of
> the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be
a
> couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
> the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your
local
> airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be
Lotta
> Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas...
The
> really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
> from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> you get it from...
>
>
10-15-2003, 07:38 PM
#32
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
I guess I should read the whole thread before I post... This is twice
tonight...
Greg
"Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:pfooovktq7imvfnafr6if2ng1v4k6s4q4l@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:26:44 GMT, the following appeared in
> rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
> <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>
> >"Lon Stowell" wrote ...
> >> No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
> >> or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
> >> running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
> >> the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
> >> to about 12:1 with the current brew.
> >>
> >> There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
> >> and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
> >
> >It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> >high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> >that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any
of
> >the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be
a
> >couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one
of
> >the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> >parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your
local
> >airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be
Lotta
> >Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas...
The
> >really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> >evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay
anywhere
> >from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> >you get it from...
>
> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
>
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> (without the spaces, of course)
>
> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> - Isaac Asimov
tonight...
Greg
"Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:pfooovktq7imvfnafr6if2ng1v4k6s4q4l@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:26:44 GMT, the following appeared in
> rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
> <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>
> >"Lon Stowell" wrote ...
> >> No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
> >> or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
> >> running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
> >> the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
> >> to about 12:1 with the current brew.
> >>
> >> There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
> >> and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
> >
> >It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> >high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> >that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any
of
> >the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be
a
> >couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one
of
> >the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> >parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your
local
> >airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be
Lotta
> >Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas...
The
> >really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> >evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay
anywhere
> >from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> >you get it from...
>
> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
>
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> (without the spaces, of course)
>
> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> - Isaac Asimov
10-15-2003, 07:38 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
I guess I should read the whole thread before I post... This is twice
tonight...
Greg
"Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:pfooovktq7imvfnafr6if2ng1v4k6s4q4l@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:26:44 GMT, the following appeared in
> rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
> <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>
> >"Lon Stowell" wrote ...
> >> No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
> >> or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
> >> running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
> >> the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
> >> to about 12:1 with the current brew.
> >>
> >> There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
> >> and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
> >
> >It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> >high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> >that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any
of
> >the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be
a
> >couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one
of
> >the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> >parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your
local
> >airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be
Lotta
> >Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas...
The
> >really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> >evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay
anywhere
> >from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> >you get it from...
>
> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
>
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> (without the spaces, of course)
>
> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> - Isaac Asimov
tonight...
Greg
"Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:pfooovktq7imvfnafr6if2ng1v4k6s4q4l@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:26:44 GMT, the following appeared in
> rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
> <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>
> >"Lon Stowell" wrote ...
> >> No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
> >> or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
> >> running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
> >> the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
> >> to about 12:1 with the current brew.
> >>
> >> There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
> >> and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
> >
> >It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> >high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> >that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any
of
> >the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be
a
> >couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one
of
> >the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> >parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your
local
> >airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be
Lotta
> >Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas...
The
> >really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> >evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay
anywhere
> >from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> >you get it from...
>
> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
>
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> (without the spaces, of course)
>
> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> - Isaac Asimov
10-15-2003, 07:38 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
I guess I should read the whole thread before I post... This is twice
tonight...
Greg
"Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:pfooovktq7imvfnafr6if2ng1v4k6s4q4l@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:26:44 GMT, the following appeared in
> rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
> <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>
> >"Lon Stowell" wrote ...
> >> No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
> >> or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
> >> running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
> >> the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
> >> to about 12:1 with the current brew.
> >>
> >> There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
> >> and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
> >
> >It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> >high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> >that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any
of
> >the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be
a
> >couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one
of
> >the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> >parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your
local
> >airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be
Lotta
> >Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas...
The
> >really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> >evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay
anywhere
> >from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> >you get it from...
>
> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
>
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> (without the spaces, of course)
>
> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> - Isaac Asimov
tonight...
Greg
"Bob Casanova" <nospam@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:pfooovktq7imvfnafr6if2ng1v4k6s4q4l@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:26:44 GMT, the following appeared in
> rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
> <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>
> >"Lon Stowell" wrote ...
> >> No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
> >> or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
> >> running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
> >> the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
> >> to about 12:1 with the current brew.
> >>
> >> There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
> >> and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
> >
> >It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> >high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> >that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any
of
> >the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be
a
> >couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one
of
> >the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> >parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your
local
> >airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be
Lotta
> >Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas...
The
> >really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> >evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay
anywhere
> >from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> >you get it from...
>
> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
>
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> (without the spaces, of course)
>
> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> - Isaac Asimov
10-15-2003, 07:40 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
towing right?? heh heh
Greg
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I think we all know why heavy equipment operators buy diesel
> pickups.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob Casanova wrote:
> >
> > All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
> > says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
> > won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
> > a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
> > IRS people will tell you the same thing.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
Greg
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8DC5A8.AC3237A@***.net...
> I think we all know why heavy equipment operators buy diesel
> pickups.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob Casanova wrote:
> >
> > All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
> > says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
> > won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
> > a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
> > IRS people will tell you the same thing.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
10-15-2003, 07:40 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
towing right?? heh heh
Greg
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8DC5A8.AC3237A@***.net...
> I think we all know why heavy equipment operators buy diesel
> pickups.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob Casanova wrote:
> >
> > All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
> > says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
> > won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
> > a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
> > IRS people will tell you the same thing.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
Greg
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8DC5A8.AC3237A@***.net...
> I think we all know why heavy equipment operators buy diesel
> pickups.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob Casanova wrote:
> >
> > All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
> > says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
> > won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
> > a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
> > IRS people will tell you the same thing.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
10-15-2003, 07:40 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
towing right?? heh heh
Greg
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8DC5A8.AC3237A@***.net...
> I think we all know why heavy equipment operators buy diesel
> pickups.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob Casanova wrote:
> >
> > All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
> > says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
> > won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
> > a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
> > IRS people will tell you the same thing.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
Greg
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8DC5A8.AC3237A@***.net...
> I think we all know why heavy equipment operators buy diesel
> pickups.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bob Casanova wrote:
> >
> > All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
> > says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
> > won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
> > a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
> > IRS people will tell you the same thing.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bob C.
> >
> > Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> > (without the spaces, of course)
> >
> > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> > - Isaac Asimov
10-15-2003, 07:53 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
LOL
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mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
GMP News wrote:
>
> towing right?? heh heh
>
> Greg
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GMP News wrote:
>
> towing right?? heh heh
>
> Greg
10-15-2003, 07:53 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
LOL
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
GMP News wrote:
>
> towing right?? heh heh
>
> Greg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
GMP News wrote:
>
> towing right?? heh heh
>
> Greg
10-15-2003, 07:53 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
LOL
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> Greg
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GMP News wrote:
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> towing right?? heh heh
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> Greg
