Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
10-14-2003, 04:19 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
You know lead will clog the catalytic convert right? Which even in
your your state must stay on the car that was sold new with one. Also we
in Kalyfornia must sneak the Jeep cans to the delivery driver, which he
will kindly fill, knowing that they'll be used on the highway, but no
way will he fill your vehicle. You tank driver won't fill your car in
Texas, either will he?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any of
> the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be a
> couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
> the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your local
> airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be Lotta
> Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas... The
> really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
> from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> you get it from...
your your state must stay on the car that was sold new with one. Also we
in Kalyfornia must sneak the Jeep cans to the delivery driver, which he
will kindly fill, knowing that they'll be used on the highway, but no
way will he fill your vehicle. You tank driver won't fill your car in
Texas, either will he?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any of
> the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be a
> couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
> the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your local
> airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be Lotta
> Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas... The
> really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
> from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> you get it from...
10-14-2003, 04:19 PM
#12
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
You know lead will clog the catalytic convert right? Which even in
your your state must stay on the car that was sold new with one. Also we
in Kalyfornia must sneak the Jeep cans to the delivery driver, which he
will kindly fill, knowing that they'll be used on the highway, but no
way will he fill your vehicle. You tank driver won't fill your car in
Texas, either will he?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any of
> the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be a
> couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
> the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your local
> airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be Lotta
> Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas... The
> really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
> from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> you get it from...
your your state must stay on the car that was sold new with one. Also we
in Kalyfornia must sneak the Jeep cans to the delivery driver, which he
will kindly fill, knowing that they'll be used on the highway, but no
way will he fill your vehicle. You tank driver won't fill your car in
Texas, either will he?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any of
> the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be a
> couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
> the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your local
> airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be Lotta
> Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas... The
> really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
> from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> you get it from...
10-14-2003, 04:19 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
You know lead will clog the catalytic convert right? Which even in
your your state must stay on the car that was sold new with one. Also we
in Kalyfornia must sneak the Jeep cans to the delivery driver, which he
will kindly fill, knowing that they'll be used on the highway, but no
way will he fill your vehicle. You tank driver won't fill your car in
Texas, either will he?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any of
> the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be a
> couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
> the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your local
> airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be Lotta
> Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas... The
> really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
> from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> you get it from...
your your state must stay on the car that was sold new with one. Also we
in Kalyfornia must sneak the Jeep cans to the delivery driver, which he
will kindly fill, knowing that they'll be used on the highway, but no
way will he fill your vehicle. You tank driver won't fill your car in
Texas, either will he?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any of
> the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be a
> couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
> the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your local
> airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be Lotta
> Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas... The
> really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
> from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> you get it from...
10-14-2003, 04:56 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:26:44 GMT, the following appeared in
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
<grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>"Lon Stowell" wrote ...
>> No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
>> or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
>> running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
>> the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
>> to about 12:1 with the current brew.
>>
>> There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
>> and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
>
>It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
>high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
>that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any of
>the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be a
>couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
>the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
>parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your local
>airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be Lotta
>Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas... The
>really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
>evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
>from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
>you get it from...
Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
(since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
<grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>"Lon Stowell" wrote ...
>> No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
>> or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
>> running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
>> the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
>> to about 12:1 with the current brew.
>>
>> There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
>> and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
>
>It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
>high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
>that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any of
>the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be a
>couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
>the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
>parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your local
>airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be Lotta
>Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas... The
>really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
>evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
>from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
>you get it from...
Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
(since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
10-14-2003, 04:56 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:26:44 GMT, the following appeared in
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
<grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>"Lon Stowell" wrote ...
>> No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
>> or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
>> running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
>> the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
>> to about 12:1 with the current brew.
>>
>> There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
>> and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
>
>It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
>high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
>that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any of
>the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be a
>couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
>the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
>parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your local
>airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be Lotta
>Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas... The
>really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
>evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
>from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
>you get it from...
Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
(since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
<grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>"Lon Stowell" wrote ...
>> No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
>> or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
>> running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
>> the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
>> to about 12:1 with the current brew.
>>
>> There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
>> and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
>
>It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
>high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
>that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any of
>the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be a
>couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
>the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
>parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your local
>airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be Lotta
>Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas... The
>really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
>evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
>from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
>you get it from...
Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
(since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
10-14-2003, 04:56 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:26:44 GMT, the following appeared in
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
<grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>"Lon Stowell" wrote ...
>> No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
>> or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
>> running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
>> the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
>> to about 12:1 with the current brew.
>>
>> There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
>> and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
>
>It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
>high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
>that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any of
>the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be a
>couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
>the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
>parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your local
>airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be Lotta
>Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas... The
>really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
>evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
>from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
>you get it from...
Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
(since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
<grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>"Lon Stowell" wrote ...
>> No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
>> or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
>> running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
>> the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
>> to about 12:1 with the current brew.
>>
>> There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
>> and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
>
>It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
>high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
>that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any of
>the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be a
>couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
>the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
>parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your local
>airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be Lotta
>Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas... The
>really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
>evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
>from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
>you get it from...
Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
(since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
10-15-2003, 10:26 AM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" wrote ...
> You know lead will clog the catalytic convert right? Which even in
> your your state must stay on the car that was sold new with one.
Catalytic converter? That's that thing that the straight pipes are supposed
to be running to, right? <grin>
Right now, I'm running semi-straight-pipes... I've got a serious crack where
the manifold connects to the exhaust pipe leading to the CC and it is quite
noticeable... It's not possible to weld it in place since I can't get to the
top of the pipe... The car is past time for its inspection sticker, but they
won't pass it with the crack in the exhaust, so I just drive it with an
expired inspection sticker... The shop wants too much to replace the
header... I'm wondering if perhap I could put multiple layers of fiberglass
around it and if perhaps it would be able to withstand the heat and
vibration...Damned inconvenient place to work without removing a lot of
other stuff...
My XJ runs quite well on 87 octane, so I've never needed to resort to 100LL
in it...
> Also we in Kalyfornia must sneak the Jeep cans to the
> delivery driver, which he will kindly fill, knowing that
> they'll be used on the highway, but no way will he fill
> your vehicle. You tank driver won't fill your car in
> Texas, either will he?
You're talking about the 100LL airport tanker? I've never tried to fill a
car with 100LL, but considering some of the people that I've seen working at
the airport, I doubt that they would say anything... I usually run 93
unleaded in my plane instead of 100LL -- leaves less lead deposits in the
engine, less plug fouling and such... The limiting factor for putting 100LL
in a car directly would probably be the fact that the nozzle is quite a bit
larger than would fit a car fill-up opening without some modifications...
There are some airports that have self-serve tanks that you could avoid even
having to deal with an FBO employee... As far as getting a reluctant FBO
employee to fill some 5g cans for your use in a highway vehicle, you could
just tell him that the fuel is for an ultralight aircraft that you fly out
of an off-airport pasture / field...
> You know lead will clog the catalytic convert right? Which even in
> your your state must stay on the car that was sold new with one.
Catalytic converter? That's that thing that the straight pipes are supposed
to be running to, right? <grin>
Right now, I'm running semi-straight-pipes... I've got a serious crack where
the manifold connects to the exhaust pipe leading to the CC and it is quite
noticeable... It's not possible to weld it in place since I can't get to the
top of the pipe... The car is past time for its inspection sticker, but they
won't pass it with the crack in the exhaust, so I just drive it with an
expired inspection sticker... The shop wants too much to replace the
header... I'm wondering if perhap I could put multiple layers of fiberglass
around it and if perhaps it would be able to withstand the heat and
vibration...Damned inconvenient place to work without removing a lot of
other stuff...
My XJ runs quite well on 87 octane, so I've never needed to resort to 100LL
in it...
> Also we in Kalyfornia must sneak the Jeep cans to the
> delivery driver, which he will kindly fill, knowing that
> they'll be used on the highway, but no way will he fill
> your vehicle. You tank driver won't fill your car in
> Texas, either will he?
You're talking about the 100LL airport tanker? I've never tried to fill a
car with 100LL, but considering some of the people that I've seen working at
the airport, I doubt that they would say anything... I usually run 93
unleaded in my plane instead of 100LL -- leaves less lead deposits in the
engine, less plug fouling and such... The limiting factor for putting 100LL
in a car directly would probably be the fact that the nozzle is quite a bit
larger than would fit a car fill-up opening without some modifications...
There are some airports that have self-serve tanks that you could avoid even
having to deal with an FBO employee... As far as getting a reluctant FBO
employee to fill some 5g cans for your use in a highway vehicle, you could
just tell him that the fuel is for an ultralight aircraft that you fly out
of an off-airport pasture / field...
10-15-2003, 10:26 AM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" wrote ...
> You know lead will clog the catalytic convert right? Which even in
> your your state must stay on the car that was sold new with one.
Catalytic converter? That's that thing that the straight pipes are supposed
to be running to, right? <grin>
Right now, I'm running semi-straight-pipes... I've got a serious crack where
the manifold connects to the exhaust pipe leading to the CC and it is quite
noticeable... It's not possible to weld it in place since I can't get to the
top of the pipe... The car is past time for its inspection sticker, but they
won't pass it with the crack in the exhaust, so I just drive it with an
expired inspection sticker... The shop wants too much to replace the
header... I'm wondering if perhap I could put multiple layers of fiberglass
around it and if perhaps it would be able to withstand the heat and
vibration...Damned inconvenient place to work without removing a lot of
other stuff...
My XJ runs quite well on 87 octane, so I've never needed to resort to 100LL
in it...
> Also we in Kalyfornia must sneak the Jeep cans to the
> delivery driver, which he will kindly fill, knowing that
> they'll be used on the highway, but no way will he fill
> your vehicle. You tank driver won't fill your car in
> Texas, either will he?
You're talking about the 100LL airport tanker? I've never tried to fill a
car with 100LL, but considering some of the people that I've seen working at
the airport, I doubt that they would say anything... I usually run 93
unleaded in my plane instead of 100LL -- leaves less lead deposits in the
engine, less plug fouling and such... The limiting factor for putting 100LL
in a car directly would probably be the fact that the nozzle is quite a bit
larger than would fit a car fill-up opening without some modifications...
There are some airports that have self-serve tanks that you could avoid even
having to deal with an FBO employee... As far as getting a reluctant FBO
employee to fill some 5g cans for your use in a highway vehicle, you could
just tell him that the fuel is for an ultralight aircraft that you fly out
of an off-airport pasture / field...
> You know lead will clog the catalytic convert right? Which even in
> your your state must stay on the car that was sold new with one.
Catalytic converter? That's that thing that the straight pipes are supposed
to be running to, right? <grin>
Right now, I'm running semi-straight-pipes... I've got a serious crack where
the manifold connects to the exhaust pipe leading to the CC and it is quite
noticeable... It's not possible to weld it in place since I can't get to the
top of the pipe... The car is past time for its inspection sticker, but they
won't pass it with the crack in the exhaust, so I just drive it with an
expired inspection sticker... The shop wants too much to replace the
header... I'm wondering if perhap I could put multiple layers of fiberglass
around it and if perhaps it would be able to withstand the heat and
vibration...Damned inconvenient place to work without removing a lot of
other stuff...
My XJ runs quite well on 87 octane, so I've never needed to resort to 100LL
in it...
> Also we in Kalyfornia must sneak the Jeep cans to the
> delivery driver, which he will kindly fill, knowing that
> they'll be used on the highway, but no way will he fill
> your vehicle. You tank driver won't fill your car in
> Texas, either will he?
You're talking about the 100LL airport tanker? I've never tried to fill a
car with 100LL, but considering some of the people that I've seen working at
the airport, I doubt that they would say anything... I usually run 93
unleaded in my plane instead of 100LL -- leaves less lead deposits in the
engine, less plug fouling and such... The limiting factor for putting 100LL
in a car directly would probably be the fact that the nozzle is quite a bit
larger than would fit a car fill-up opening without some modifications...
There are some airports that have self-serve tanks that you could avoid even
having to deal with an FBO employee... As far as getting a reluctant FBO
employee to fill some 5g cans for your use in a highway vehicle, you could
just tell him that the fuel is for an ultralight aircraft that you fly out
of an off-airport pasture / field...
10-15-2003, 10:26 AM
#19
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" wrote ...
> You know lead will clog the catalytic convert right? Which even in
> your your state must stay on the car that was sold new with one.
Catalytic converter? That's that thing that the straight pipes are supposed
to be running to, right? <grin>
Right now, I'm running semi-straight-pipes... I've got a serious crack where
the manifold connects to the exhaust pipe leading to the CC and it is quite
noticeable... It's not possible to weld it in place since I can't get to the
top of the pipe... The car is past time for its inspection sticker, but they
won't pass it with the crack in the exhaust, so I just drive it with an
expired inspection sticker... The shop wants too much to replace the
header... I'm wondering if perhap I could put multiple layers of fiberglass
around it and if perhaps it would be able to withstand the heat and
vibration...Damned inconvenient place to work without removing a lot of
other stuff...
My XJ runs quite well on 87 octane, so I've never needed to resort to 100LL
in it...
> Also we in Kalyfornia must sneak the Jeep cans to the
> delivery driver, which he will kindly fill, knowing that
> they'll be used on the highway, but no way will he fill
> your vehicle. You tank driver won't fill your car in
> Texas, either will he?
You're talking about the 100LL airport tanker? I've never tried to fill a
car with 100LL, but considering some of the people that I've seen working at
the airport, I doubt that they would say anything... I usually run 93
unleaded in my plane instead of 100LL -- leaves less lead deposits in the
engine, less plug fouling and such... The limiting factor for putting 100LL
in a car directly would probably be the fact that the nozzle is quite a bit
larger than would fit a car fill-up opening without some modifications...
There are some airports that have self-serve tanks that you could avoid even
having to deal with an FBO employee... As far as getting a reluctant FBO
employee to fill some 5g cans for your use in a highway vehicle, you could
just tell him that the fuel is for an ultralight aircraft that you fly out
of an off-airport pasture / field...
> You know lead will clog the catalytic convert right? Which even in
> your your state must stay on the car that was sold new with one.
Catalytic converter? That's that thing that the straight pipes are supposed
to be running to, right? <grin>
Right now, I'm running semi-straight-pipes... I've got a serious crack where
the manifold connects to the exhaust pipe leading to the CC and it is quite
noticeable... It's not possible to weld it in place since I can't get to the
top of the pipe... The car is past time for its inspection sticker, but they
won't pass it with the crack in the exhaust, so I just drive it with an
expired inspection sticker... The shop wants too much to replace the
header... I'm wondering if perhap I could put multiple layers of fiberglass
around it and if perhaps it would be able to withstand the heat and
vibration...Damned inconvenient place to work without removing a lot of
other stuff...
My XJ runs quite well on 87 octane, so I've never needed to resort to 100LL
in it...
> Also we in Kalyfornia must sneak the Jeep cans to the
> delivery driver, which he will kindly fill, knowing that
> they'll be used on the highway, but no way will he fill
> your vehicle. You tank driver won't fill your car in
> Texas, either will he?
You're talking about the 100LL airport tanker? I've never tried to fill a
car with 100LL, but considering some of the people that I've seen working at
the airport, I doubt that they would say anything... I usually run 93
unleaded in my plane instead of 100LL -- leaves less lead deposits in the
engine, less plug fouling and such... The limiting factor for putting 100LL
in a car directly would probably be the fact that the nozzle is quite a bit
larger than would fit a car fill-up opening without some modifications...
There are some airports that have self-serve tanks that you could avoid even
having to deal with an FBO employee... As far as getting a reluctant FBO
employee to fill some 5g cans for your use in a highway vehicle, you could
just tell him that the fuel is for an ultralight aircraft that you fly out
of an off-airport pasture / field...
10-15-2003, 10:32 AM
#20
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Posts: n/a
Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
"Bob Casanova" wrote ...
> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
Don't need it for my XJ -- 87 octane works just fine... As far as the tax
evasion standpoint, you're paying taxes, they're just going into the
aviation fund instead of the road fund... Avgas probably costs about as much
to make as 93 octane, so the $2.00-$3.50 costs of it reflects a lot of taxes
(in addition to not that much competition between the various FBOs)...
> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
Don't need it for my XJ -- 87 octane works just fine... As far as the tax
evasion standpoint, you're paying taxes, they're just going into the
aviation fund instead of the road fund... Avgas probably costs about as much
to make as 93 octane, so the $2.00-$3.50 costs of it reflects a lot of taxes
(in addition to not that much competition between the various FBOs)...