Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
10-15-2003, 10:32 AM
#21
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
"Bob Casanova" wrote ...
> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
Don't need it for my XJ -- 87 octane works just fine... As far as the tax
evasion standpoint, you're paying taxes, they're just going into the
aviation fund instead of the road fund... Avgas probably costs about as much
to make as 93 octane, so the $2.00-$3.50 costs of it reflects a lot of taxes
(in addition to not that much competition between the various FBOs)...
> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
Don't need it for my XJ -- 87 octane works just fine... As far as the tax
evasion standpoint, you're paying taxes, they're just going into the
aviation fund instead of the road fund... Avgas probably costs about as much
to make as 93 octane, so the $2.00-$3.50 costs of it reflects a lot of taxes
(in addition to not that much competition between the various FBOs)...
10-15-2003, 10:32 AM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
"Bob Casanova" wrote ...
> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
Don't need it for my XJ -- 87 octane works just fine... As far as the tax
evasion standpoint, you're paying taxes, they're just going into the
aviation fund instead of the road fund... Avgas probably costs about as much
to make as 93 octane, so the $2.00-$3.50 costs of it reflects a lot of taxes
(in addition to not that much competition between the various FBOs)...
> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
Don't need it for my XJ -- 87 octane works just fine... As far as the tax
evasion standpoint, you're paying taxes, they're just going into the
aviation fund instead of the road fund... Avgas probably costs about as much
to make as 93 octane, so the $2.00-$3.50 costs of it reflects a lot of taxes
(in addition to not that much competition between the various FBOs)...
10-15-2003, 05:09 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:32:15 GMT, the following appeared in
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
<grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>"Bob Casanova" wrote ...
>> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
>> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
>> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
>> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
>> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
>
>Don't need it for my XJ -- 87 octane works just fine... As far as the tax
>evasion standpoint, you're paying taxes, they're just going into the
>aviation fund instead of the road fund... Avgas probably costs about as much
>to make as 93 octane, so the $2.00-$3.50 costs of it reflects a lot of taxes
>(in addition to not that much competition between the various FBOs)...
All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
IRS people will tell you the same thing.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
<grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>"Bob Casanova" wrote ...
>> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
>> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
>> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
>> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
>> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
>
>Don't need it for my XJ -- 87 octane works just fine... As far as the tax
>evasion standpoint, you're paying taxes, they're just going into the
>aviation fund instead of the road fund... Avgas probably costs about as much
>to make as 93 octane, so the $2.00-$3.50 costs of it reflects a lot of taxes
>(in addition to not that much competition between the various FBOs)...
All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
IRS people will tell you the same thing.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
10-15-2003, 05:09 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:32:15 GMT, the following appeared in
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
<grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>"Bob Casanova" wrote ...
>> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
>> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
>> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
>> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
>> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
>
>Don't need it for my XJ -- 87 octane works just fine... As far as the tax
>evasion standpoint, you're paying taxes, they're just going into the
>aviation fund instead of the road fund... Avgas probably costs about as much
>to make as 93 octane, so the $2.00-$3.50 costs of it reflects a lot of taxes
>(in addition to not that much competition between the various FBOs)...
All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
IRS people will tell you the same thing.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
<grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>"Bob Casanova" wrote ...
>> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
>> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
>> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
>> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
>> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
>
>Don't need it for my XJ -- 87 octane works just fine... As far as the tax
>evasion standpoint, you're paying taxes, they're just going into the
>aviation fund instead of the road fund... Avgas probably costs about as much
>to make as 93 octane, so the $2.00-$3.50 costs of it reflects a lot of taxes
>(in addition to not that much competition between the various FBOs)...
All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
IRS people will tell you the same thing.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
10-15-2003, 05:09 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:32:15 GMT, the following appeared in
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
<grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>"Bob Casanova" wrote ...
>> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
>> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
>> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
>> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
>> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
>
>Don't need it for my XJ -- 87 octane works just fine... As far as the tax
>evasion standpoint, you're paying taxes, they're just going into the
>aviation fund instead of the road fund... Avgas probably costs about as much
>to make as 93 octane, so the $2.00-$3.50 costs of it reflects a lot of taxes
>(in addition to not that much competition between the various FBOs)...
All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
IRS people will tell you the same thing.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by "Grumman-581"
<grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com>:
>"Bob Casanova" wrote ...
>> Don't get caught. In addition to the issue of illegal use of
>> leaded gas in a vehicle designed for unleaded, there's also
>> the minor issue of tax evasion, both state and Federal
>> (since IIRC no road tax is collected on avgas). Sorta like
>> using #2 fuel oil in your on-road diesel.
>
>Don't need it for my XJ -- 87 octane works just fine... As far as the tax
>evasion standpoint, you're paying taxes, they're just going into the
>aviation fund instead of the road fund... Avgas probably costs about as much
>to make as 93 octane, so the $2.00-$3.50 costs of it reflects a lot of taxes
>(in addition to not that much competition between the various FBOs)...
All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
IRS people will tell you the same thing.
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
10-15-2003, 06:09 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
I think we all know why heavy equipment operators buy diesel
pickups.
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Bob Casanova wrote:
>
> All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
> says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
> won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
> a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
> IRS people will tell you the same thing.
>
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> (without the spaces, of course)
>
> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> - Isaac Asimov
pickups.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bob Casanova wrote:
>
> All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
> says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
> won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
> a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
> IRS people will tell you the same thing.
>
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> (without the spaces, of course)
>
> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> - Isaac Asimov
10-15-2003, 06:09 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
I think we all know why heavy equipment operators buy diesel
pickups.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bob Casanova wrote:
>
> All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
> says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
> won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
> a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
> IRS people will tell you the same thing.
>
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> (without the spaces, of course)
>
> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> - Isaac Asimov
pickups.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bob Casanova wrote:
>
> All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
> says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
> won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
> a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
> IRS people will tell you the same thing.
>
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> (without the spaces, of course)
>
> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> - Isaac Asimov
10-15-2003, 06:09 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
I think we all know why heavy equipment operators buy diesel
pickups.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bob Casanova wrote:
>
> All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
> says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
> won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
> a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
> IRS people will tell you the same thing.
>
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> (without the spaces, of course)
>
> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> - Isaac Asimov
pickups.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bob Casanova wrote:
>
> All true, and all irrelevant. The tax law is what the gov
> says it is, and the excuse that you're paying aviation taxes
> won't mean a thing if you use it on-road. Check it out (use
> a pay phone if you're worried about being ID'd); the "nice"
> IRS people will tell you the same thing.
>
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
> (without the spaces, of course)
>
> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
> - Isaac Asimov
10-15-2003, 07:37 PM
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
Not sure but I don't think Av-gas is taxed at the same rate as regular pump
gas is. Buddy of mine tells me it might be hard to get Av-gas because of
this.
Greg
"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:oQSib.22548$3A6.13443@twister.austin.rr.com.. .
> "Lon Stowell" wrote ...
> > No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
> > or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
> > running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
> > the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
> > to about 12:1 with the current brew.
> >
> > There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
> > and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
>
> It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any
of
> the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be
a
> couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
> the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your
local
> airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be
Lotta
> Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas...
The
> really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
> from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> you get it from...
>
>
gas is. Buddy of mine tells me it might be hard to get Av-gas because of
this.
Greg
"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:oQSib.22548$3A6.13443@twister.austin.rr.com.. .
> "Lon Stowell" wrote ...
> > No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
> > or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
> > running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
> > the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
> > to about 12:1 with the current brew.
> >
> > There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
> > and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
>
> It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any
of
> the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be
a
> couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
> the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your
local
> airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be
Lotta
> Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas...
The
> really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
> from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> you get it from...
>
>
10-15-2003, 07:37 PM
#30
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Re: Why is the highest Octane in California only 91?
Not sure but I don't think Av-gas is taxed at the same rate as regular pump
gas is. Buddy of mine tells me it might be hard to get Av-gas because of
this.
Greg
"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:oQSib.22548$3A6.13443@twister.austin.rr.com.. .
> "Lon Stowell" wrote ...
> > No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
> > or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
> > running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
> > the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
> > to about 12:1 with the current brew.
> >
> > There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
> > and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
>
> It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any
of
> the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be
a
> couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
> the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your
local
> airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be
Lotta
> Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas...
The
> really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
> from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> you get it from...
>
>
gas is. Buddy of mine tells me it might be hard to get Av-gas because of
this.
Greg
"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:oQSib.22548$3A6.13443@twister.austin.rr.com.. .
> "Lon Stowell" wrote ...
> > No, but there just doesn't seem to be a market for Sunoco 260
> > or SuperShell 120 any more. It may be because nobody is
> > running Kieth Black Ram/Hemi's on the street any more and
> > the fuel management systems on modern cars can handle up
> > to about 12:1 with the current brew.
> >
> > There *may* be some technical issue with that high of an octane
> > and the Kalifornia air resources board, but don't know of any.
>
> It's easier to increase octane by adding lead, so we don't see any really
> high octane unleaded gasolines... Here in Houston, we have some stations
> that sell 91 octane whereas others sell 93 octane... I don't know of any
of
> the production cars that need more than 91 octane although there might be
a
> couple that do... If you need more than 93 octane, your choices are one of
> the octane booster formulations in a bottle that you can buy at the auto
> parts stores or if 100 octane is acceptable, you can buy it from your
local
> airport... It's called 100LL (Low Lead), but in reality, it should be
Lotta
> Lead since it had more lead in it that the old 80 octane leaded avgas...
The
> really nice thing about 100LL is that if you get it on something, it
> evaporates and doesn't leave a gasoline smell to it... You'll pay anywhere
> from $2.00 to $3.50 per gallon for 100LL, depending upon the airport that
> you get it from...
>
>
