Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
 

You'll still need snatch straps and tow hooks, front and rear. The winch
is not always the best answer, or the most convenient. On those downhills,
use engine braking whenever you can: 4wd Low and 1st gear. Using the
vehicle brakes by themselves is begging for a rollover.
Don't go wheeling alone (by "alone" I mean with just your CJ.) It's best to
have a couple of other vehicles with you. If you had rolled on that hill
and both been injured, you would probably still be there.
Tell the lunch ladies that it's not mud, you had a scary ride! LOL
Lose the rope with the hooks. They have been known to be lethal!

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"


"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uu50qvo3og64l7v1t670gqqaavtv27hhn7@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham
> <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following:
>
> >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>,
> > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> while hooking up a rope.
> >
> >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures(
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one
has yelled at you for it. I see that it has
> >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become
> >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks.
>
> I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing
> that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-)
>
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
 

You'll still need snatch straps and tow hooks, front and rear. The winch
is not always the best answer, or the most convenient. On those downhills,
use engine braking whenever you can: 4wd Low and 1st gear. Using the
vehicle brakes by themselves is begging for a rollover.
Don't go wheeling alone (by "alone" I mean with just your CJ.) It's best to
have a couple of other vehicles with you. If you had rolled on that hill
and both been injured, you would probably still be there.
Tell the lunch ladies that it's not mud, you had a scary ride! LOL
Lose the rope with the hooks. They have been known to be lethal!

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"


"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uu50qvo3og64l7v1t670gqqaavtv27hhn7@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham
> <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following:
>
> >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>,
> > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> while hooking up a rope.
> >
> >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures(
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one
has yelled at you for it. I see that it has
> >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become
> >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks.
>
> I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing
> that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-)
>
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
 

You'll still need snatch straps and tow hooks, front and rear. The winch
is not always the best answer, or the most convenient. On those downhills,
use engine braking whenever you can: 4wd Low and 1st gear. Using the
vehicle brakes by themselves is begging for a rollover.
Don't go wheeling alone (by "alone" I mean with just your CJ.) It's best to
have a couple of other vehicles with you. If you had rolled on that hill
and both been injured, you would probably still be there.
Tell the lunch ladies that it's not mud, you had a scary ride! LOL
Lose the rope with the hooks. They have been known to be lethal!

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"


"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uu50qvo3og64l7v1t670gqqaavtv27hhn7@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham
> <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following:
>
> >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>,
> > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> while hooking up a rope.
> >
> >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures(
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one
has yelled at you for it. I see that it has
> >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become
> >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks.
>
> I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing
> that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-)
>
>
>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
 

TRAVIS IS HARD CORE.
8~)>
hail yes.

--
bob z.

"people with less brain power than you are doing more difficult things
everyday"©

Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
 

TRAVIS IS HARD CORE.
8~)>
hail yes.

--
bob z.

"people with less brain power than you are doing more difficult things
everyday"©

Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
 

TRAVIS IS HARD CORE.
8~)>
hail yes.

--
bob z.

"people with less brain power than you are doing more difficult things
everyday"©

Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
 

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com...
> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin'
> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except
> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back
> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled
> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch
> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came
> slamming back down...

Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at
all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the
brakes, but leave the clutch alone.

My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did,
he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the
clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken
clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch.

You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly
to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders.

NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes
are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift
into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start
IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire.
If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch
until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because
you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and
have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have
to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the
motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R.




then almost made it back out when I hit a
> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side
> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one
> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't
> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its
> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k*
> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and
> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back
> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take
> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD
> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't
> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got
> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me
> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey
> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I
> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail
> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were
> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-)
>
>
You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of
winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not
prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get
stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE.





>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
 

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com...
> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin'
> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except
> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back
> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled
> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch
> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came
> slamming back down...

Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at
all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the
brakes, but leave the clutch alone.

My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did,
he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the
clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken
clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch.

You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly
to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders.

NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes
are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift
into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start
IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire.
If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch
until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because
you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and
have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have
to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the
motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R.




then almost made it back out when I hit a
> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side
> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one
> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't
> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its
> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k*
> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and
> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back
> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take
> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD
> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't
> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got
> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me
> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey
> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I
> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail
> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were
> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-)
>
>
You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of
winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not
prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get
stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE.





>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
 

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com...
> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin'
> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except
> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back
> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled
> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch
> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came
> slamming back down...

Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at
all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the
brakes, but leave the clutch alone.

My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did,
he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the
clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken
clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch.

You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly
to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders.

NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes
are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift
into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start
IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire.
If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch
until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because
you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and
have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have
to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the
motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R.




then almost made it back out when I hit a
> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side
> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one
> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't
> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its
> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k*
> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and
> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back
> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take
> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD
> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't
> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got
> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me
> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey
> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I
> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail
> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were
> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-)
>
>
You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of
winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not
prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get
stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE.





>
> --
> Travis
> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
> :wq!

Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
 

"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uu50qvo3og64l7v1t670gqqaavtv27hhn7@4ax.com...
: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham
: <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following:
:
: >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>,
: > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: >> while hooking up a rope.
: >
: >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures(
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one
has yelled at you for it. I see that it has
: >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become
: >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks.
:
: I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing
: that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-)
:
:
:
: --
: Travis
: http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
: The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
: :wq!

very crafty plan to get the wifie to agree to it :-)

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara