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Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin'
today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came slamming back down... then almost made it back out when I hit a monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>,
travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote: > while hooking up a rope. Yeah I have seen that in your pictures( http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one has yelled at you for it. I see that it has metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become missile if the rope/strap ever breaks. -- o_o_o_o /| ,[_____], |???L --O|||||||O- ()_)?()_) ????? )_) |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>,
travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote: > while hooking up a rope. Yeah I have seen that in your pictures( http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one has yelled at you for it. I see that it has metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become missile if the rope/strap ever breaks. -- o_o_o_o /| ,[_____], |???L --O|||||||O- ()_)?()_) ????? )_) |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>,
travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote: > while hooking up a rope. Yeah I have seen that in your pictures( http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one has yelled at you for it. I see that it has metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become missile if the rope/strap ever breaks. -- o_o_o_o /| ,[_____], |???L --O|||||||O- ()_)?()_) ????? )_) |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham
<aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following: >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>, > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> while hooking up a rope. > >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures( http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one has yelled at you for it. I see that it has >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks. I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-) -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham
<aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following: >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>, > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> while hooking up a rope. > >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures( http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one has yelled at you for it. I see that it has >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks. I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-) -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham
<aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following: >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>, > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> while hooking up a rope. > >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures( http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one has yelled at you for it. I see that it has >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks. I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-) -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
If you think a locker would have got you out, you need to learn the
brake pedal method! If you bang the brake pedal down when one wheel is turning, the brake will stop that wheel and transfer the torque to the other side. This trick works great and is as old as the model T..... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's travis wrote: > > I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' > today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except > for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back > left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled > right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch > and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came > slamming back down... then almost made it back out when I hit a > monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side > tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one > inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't > sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its > body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* > STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and > was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back > to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take > it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD > high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't > know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got > pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me > out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey > 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I > have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail > while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were > laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
If you think a locker would have got you out, you need to learn the
brake pedal method! If you bang the brake pedal down when one wheel is turning, the brake will stop that wheel and transfer the torque to the other side. This trick works great and is as old as the model T..... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's travis wrote: > > I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' > today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except > for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back > left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled > right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch > and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came > slamming back down... then almost made it back out when I hit a > monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side > tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one > inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't > sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its > body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* > STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and > was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back > to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take > it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD > high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't > know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got > pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me > out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey > 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I > have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail > while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were > laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
If you think a locker would have got you out, you need to learn the
brake pedal method! If you bang the brake pedal down when one wheel is turning, the brake will stop that wheel and transfer the torque to the other side. This trick works great and is as old as the model T..... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's travis wrote: > > I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' > today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except > for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back > left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled > right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch > and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came > slamming back down... then almost made it back out when I hit a > monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side > tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one > inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't > sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its > body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* > STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and > was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back > to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take > it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD > high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't > know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got > pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me > out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey > 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I > have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail > while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were > laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
You'll still need snatch straps and tow hooks, front and rear. The winch
is not always the best answer, or the most convenient. On those downhills, use engine braking whenever you can: 4wd Low and 1st gear. Using the vehicle brakes by themselves is begging for a rollover. Don't go wheeling alone (by "alone" I mean with just your CJ.) It's best to have a couple of other vehicles with you. If you had rolled on that hill and both been injured, you would probably still be there. Tell the lunch ladies that it's not mud, you had a scary ride! LOL Lose the rope with the hooks. They have been known to be lethal! -- Jim -- 98 TJ SE 90 SJ GW http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard enough..." "4x4" in caps is "$X$" "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uu50qvo3og64l7v1t670gqqaavtv27hhn7@4ax.com... > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham > <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following: > > >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>, > > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> while hooking up a rope. > > > >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures( http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one has yelled at you for it. I see that it has > >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become > >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks. > > I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing > that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-) > > > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
You'll still need snatch straps and tow hooks, front and rear. The winch
is not always the best answer, or the most convenient. On those downhills, use engine braking whenever you can: 4wd Low and 1st gear. Using the vehicle brakes by themselves is begging for a rollover. Don't go wheeling alone (by "alone" I mean with just your CJ.) It's best to have a couple of other vehicles with you. If you had rolled on that hill and both been injured, you would probably still be there. Tell the lunch ladies that it's not mud, you had a scary ride! LOL Lose the rope with the hooks. They have been known to be lethal! -- Jim -- 98 TJ SE 90 SJ GW http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard enough..." "4x4" in caps is "$X$" "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uu50qvo3og64l7v1t670gqqaavtv27hhn7@4ax.com... > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham > <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following: > > >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>, > > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> while hooking up a rope. > > > >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures( http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one has yelled at you for it. I see that it has > >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become > >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks. > > I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing > that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-) > > > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
You'll still need snatch straps and tow hooks, front and rear. The winch
is not always the best answer, or the most convenient. On those downhills, use engine braking whenever you can: 4wd Low and 1st gear. Using the vehicle brakes by themselves is begging for a rollover. Don't go wheeling alone (by "alone" I mean with just your CJ.) It's best to have a couple of other vehicles with you. If you had rolled on that hill and both been injured, you would probably still be there. Tell the lunch ladies that it's not mud, you had a scary ride! LOL Lose the rope with the hooks. They have been known to be lethal! -- Jim -- 98 TJ SE 90 SJ GW http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard enough..." "4x4" in caps is "$X$" "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uu50qvo3og64l7v1t670gqqaavtv27hhn7@4ax.com... > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham > <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following: > > >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>, > > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> while hooking up a rope. > > > >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures( http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one has yelled at you for it. I see that it has > >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become > >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks. > > I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing > that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-) > > > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
TRAVIS IS HARD CORE.
8~)> hail yes. -- bob z. "people with less brain power than you are doing more difficult things everyday"© |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
TRAVIS IS HARD CORE.
8~)> hail yes. -- bob z. "people with less brain power than you are doing more difficult things everyday"© |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
TRAVIS IS HARD CORE.
8~)> hail yes. -- bob z. "people with less brain power than you are doing more difficult things everyday"© |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com... > I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' > today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except > for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back > left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled > right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch > and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came > slamming back down... Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the brakes, but leave the clutch alone. My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did, he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch. You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders. NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire. If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R. then almost made it back out when I hit a > monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side > tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one > inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't > sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its > body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* > STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and > was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back > to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take > it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD > high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't > know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got > pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me > out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey > 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I > have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail > while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were > laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) > > You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE. > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com... > I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' > today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except > for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back > left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled > right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch > and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came > slamming back down... Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the brakes, but leave the clutch alone. My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did, he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch. You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders. NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire. If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R. then almost made it back out when I hit a > monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side > tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one > inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't > sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its > body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* > STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and > was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back > to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take > it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD > high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't > know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got > pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me > out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey > 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I > have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail > while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were > laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) > > You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE. > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com... > I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' > today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except > for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back > left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled > right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch > and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came > slamming back down... Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the brakes, but leave the clutch alone. My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did, he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch. You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders. NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire. If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R. then almost made it back out when I hit a > monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side > tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one > inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't > sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its > body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* > STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and > was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back > to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take > it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD > high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't > know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got > pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me > out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey > 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I > have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail > while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were > laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) > > You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE. > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uu50qvo3og64l7v1t670gqqaavtv27hhn7@4ax.com... : On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham : <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following: : : >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>, : > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote: : > : >> while hooking up a rope. : > : >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures( http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one has yelled at you for it. I see that it has : >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become : >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks. : : I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing : that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-) : : : : -- : Travis : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html : The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. : :wq! very crafty plan to get the wifie to agree to it :-) -- Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uu50qvo3og64l7v1t670gqqaavtv27hhn7@4ax.com... : On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham : <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following: : : >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>, : > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote: : > : >> while hooking up a rope. : > : >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures( http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one has yelled at you for it. I see that it has : >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become : >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks. : : I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing : that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-) : : : : -- : Travis : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html : The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. : :wq! very crafty plan to get the wifie to agree to it :-) -- Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uu50qvo3og64l7v1t670gqqaavtv27hhn7@4ax.com... : On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham : <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> shared the following: : : >In article <g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com>, : > travis <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote: : > : >> while hooking up a rope. : > : >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures( http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/paint/13.jpg), and surprised no one has yelled at you for it. I see that it has : >metal hooks, that is a BIG NO-NO! They have been known to become : >missile if the rope/strap ever breaks. : : I just ordered an 8000# Ramsey winch for it that will be replacing : that rope. But thanks for the tip. :-) : : : : -- : Travis : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html : The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. : :wq! very crafty plan to get the wifie to agree to it :-) -- Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:48:36 -0500, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following: >If you think a locker would have got you out, you need to learn the >brake pedal method! > >If you bang the brake pedal down when one wheel is turning, the brake >will stop that wheel and transfer the torque to the other side. > >This trick works great and is as old as the model T..... I tried that tirck. I tried lightly applying pressure the the brakes, I tried slamming the brake a few times, tried the emergency brake to load the back wheel that was spinning , tried rocking back and forth, tried turning the wheel from side to side to get traction on the front tire that was slipping, tried pushing it, pulling it, having my friend jump up and down on the back of the Jeep above the spinning tire (and he weighs close to 300 pounds), tried prying one side up with a long metal tube we found, tried jamming a huge tree branch under each of the back wheels, tried praying to God, tried cussing...a LOT... It was STUCK-DIDDLY-UCK, dude. I think lockers would have helped but I'm not positive I would have gotten out even with them. > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >travis wrote: >> >> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' >> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except >> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back >> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled >> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch >> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came >> slamming back down... then almost made it back out when I hit a >> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side >> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one >> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't >> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its >> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* >> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and >> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back >> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take >> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD >> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't >> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got >> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me >> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey >> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I >> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail >> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were >> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) >> >> -- >> Travis >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. >> :wq! -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:48:36 -0500, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following: >If you think a locker would have got you out, you need to learn the >brake pedal method! > >If you bang the brake pedal down when one wheel is turning, the brake >will stop that wheel and transfer the torque to the other side. > >This trick works great and is as old as the model T..... I tried that tirck. I tried lightly applying pressure the the brakes, I tried slamming the brake a few times, tried the emergency brake to load the back wheel that was spinning , tried rocking back and forth, tried turning the wheel from side to side to get traction on the front tire that was slipping, tried pushing it, pulling it, having my friend jump up and down on the back of the Jeep above the spinning tire (and he weighs close to 300 pounds), tried prying one side up with a long metal tube we found, tried jamming a huge tree branch under each of the back wheels, tried praying to God, tried cussing...a LOT... It was STUCK-DIDDLY-UCK, dude. I think lockers would have helped but I'm not positive I would have gotten out even with them. > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >travis wrote: >> >> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' >> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except >> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back >> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled >> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch >> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came >> slamming back down... then almost made it back out when I hit a >> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side >> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one >> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't >> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its >> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* >> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and >> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back >> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take >> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD >> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't >> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got >> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me >> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey >> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I >> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail >> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were >> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) >> >> -- >> Travis >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. >> :wq! -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:48:36 -0500, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> shared the following: >If you think a locker would have got you out, you need to learn the >brake pedal method! > >If you bang the brake pedal down when one wheel is turning, the brake >will stop that wheel and transfer the torque to the other side. > >This trick works great and is as old as the model T..... I tried that tirck. I tried lightly applying pressure the the brakes, I tried slamming the brake a few times, tried the emergency brake to load the back wheel that was spinning , tried rocking back and forth, tried turning the wheel from side to side to get traction on the front tire that was slipping, tried pushing it, pulling it, having my friend jump up and down on the back of the Jeep above the spinning tire (and he weighs close to 300 pounds), tried prying one side up with a long metal tube we found, tried jamming a huge tree branch under each of the back wheels, tried praying to God, tried cussing...a LOT... It was STUCK-DIDDLY-UCK, dude. I think lockers would have helped but I'm not positive I would have gotten out even with them. > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >travis wrote: >> >> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' >> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except >> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back >> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled >> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch >> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came >> slamming back down... then almost made it back out when I hit a >> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side >> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one >> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't >> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its >> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* >> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and >> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back >> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take >> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD >> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't >> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got >> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me >> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey >> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I >> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail >> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were >> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) >> >> -- >> Travis >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. >> :wq! -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:11:33 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com>
shared the following: > >"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com.. . >> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' >> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except >> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back >> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled >> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch >> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came >> slamming back down... > >Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at >all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the >brakes, but leave the clutch alone. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. It was a semi-panic thing. The hill wasn't very big, though, so we only "flew" down it for about 7-8 feet before the front tires reached bottom. > >My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did, >he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the >clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken >clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch. Ouch. > >You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly >to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders. I sure don't. Believe me, there were no bystanders in this case. :-) > >NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes >are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift >into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start >IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire. >If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch >until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because >you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and >have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have >to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the >motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R. > > > > >then almost made it back out when I hit a >> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side >> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one >> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't >> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its >> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* >> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and >> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back >> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take >> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD >> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't >> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got >> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me >> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey >> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I >> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail >> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were >> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) >> >> >You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of >winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not >prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get >stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE. > > > > > >> >> -- >> Travis >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. >> :wq! -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:11:33 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com>
shared the following: > >"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com.. . >> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' >> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except >> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back >> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled >> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch >> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came >> slamming back down... > >Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at >all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the >brakes, but leave the clutch alone. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. It was a semi-panic thing. The hill wasn't very big, though, so we only "flew" down it for about 7-8 feet before the front tires reached bottom. > >My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did, >he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the >clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken >clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch. Ouch. > >You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly >to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders. I sure don't. Believe me, there were no bystanders in this case. :-) > >NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes >are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift >into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start >IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire. >If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch >until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because >you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and >have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have >to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the >motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R. > > > > >then almost made it back out when I hit a >> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side >> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one >> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't >> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its >> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* >> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and >> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back >> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take >> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD >> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't >> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got >> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me >> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey >> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I >> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail >> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were >> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) >> >> >You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of >winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not >prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get >stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE. > > > > > >> >> -- >> Travis >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. >> :wq! -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:11:33 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com>
shared the following: > >"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com.. . >> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' >> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except >> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back >> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled >> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch >> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came >> slamming back down... > >Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at >all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the >brakes, but leave the clutch alone. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. It was a semi-panic thing. The hill wasn't very big, though, so we only "flew" down it for about 7-8 feet before the front tires reached bottom. > >My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did, >he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the >clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken >clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch. Ouch. > >You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly >to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders. I sure don't. Believe me, there were no bystanders in this case. :-) > >NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes >are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift >into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start >IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire. >If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch >until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because >you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and >have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have >to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the >motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R. > > > > >then almost made it back out when I hit a >> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side >> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one >> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't >> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its >> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* >> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and >> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back >> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take >> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD >> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't >> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got >> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me >> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey >> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I >> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail >> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were >> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) >> >> >You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of >winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not >prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get >stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE. > > > > > >> >> -- >> Travis >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. >> :wq! -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:35:48 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> shared the following: >very crafty plan to get the wifie to agree to it :-) I though so, too. ;-) -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:35:48 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> shared the following: >very crafty plan to get the wifie to agree to it :-) I though so, too. ;-) -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:35:48 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_nospam_milne.info> shared the following: >very crafty plan to get the wifie to agree to it :-) I though so, too. ;-) -- Travis http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
If the pedal hit didn't transfer power, you need to check the back
brakes for adjustment and shoe wear. Mike travis wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:11:33 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> > shared the following: > > > > >"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com.. . > >> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' > >> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except > >> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back > >> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled > >> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch > >> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came > >> slamming back down... > > > >Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at > >all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the > >brakes, but leave the clutch alone. > > Yeah, I'm sure you're right. It was a semi-panic thing. The hill > wasn't very big, though, so we only "flew" down it for about 7-8 feet > before the front tires reached bottom. > > > > >My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did, > >he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the > >clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken > >clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch. > > Ouch. > > > > >You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly > >to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders. > > I sure don't. Believe me, there were no bystanders in this case. :-) > > > > >NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes > >are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift > >into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start > >IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire. > >If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch > >until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because > >you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and > >have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have > >to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the > >motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R. > > > > > > > > > >then almost made it back out when I hit a > >> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side > >> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one > >> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't > >> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its > >> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* > >> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and > >> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back > >> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take > >> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD > >> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't > >> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got > >> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me > >> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey > >> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I > >> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail > >> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were > >> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) > >> > >> > >You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of > >winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not > >prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get > >stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> -- > >> Travis > >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > >> :wq! > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
If the pedal hit didn't transfer power, you need to check the back
brakes for adjustment and shoe wear. Mike travis wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:11:33 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> > shared the following: > > > > >"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com.. . > >> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' > >> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except > >> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back > >> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled > >> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch > >> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came > >> slamming back down... > > > >Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at > >all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the > >brakes, but leave the clutch alone. > > Yeah, I'm sure you're right. It was a semi-panic thing. The hill > wasn't very big, though, so we only "flew" down it for about 7-8 feet > before the front tires reached bottom. > > > > >My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did, > >he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the > >clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken > >clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch. > > Ouch. > > > > >You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly > >to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders. > > I sure don't. Believe me, there were no bystanders in this case. :-) > > > > >NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes > >are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift > >into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start > >IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire. > >If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch > >until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because > >you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and > >have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have > >to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the > >motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R. > > > > > > > > > >then almost made it back out when I hit a > >> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side > >> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one > >> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't > >> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its > >> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* > >> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and > >> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back > >> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take > >> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD > >> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't > >> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got > >> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me > >> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey > >> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I > >> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail > >> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were > >> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) > >> > >> > >You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of > >winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not > >prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get > >stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> -- > >> Travis > >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > >> :wq! > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
If the pedal hit didn't transfer power, you need to check the back
brakes for adjustment and shoe wear. Mike travis wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:11:33 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> > shared the following: > > > > >"travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:g640qvos0hni4bdnvil8kercol2ai3eqnb@4ax.com.. . > >> I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' > >> today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except > >> for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back > >> left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled > >> right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch > >> and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came > >> slamming back down... > > > >Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at > >all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the > >brakes, but leave the clutch alone. > > Yeah, I'm sure you're right. It was a semi-panic thing. The hill > wasn't very big, though, so we only "flew" down it for about 7-8 feet > before the front tires reached bottom. > > > > >My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did, > >he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the > >clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken > >clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch. > > Ouch. > > > > >You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly > >to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders. > > I sure don't. Believe me, there were no bystanders in this case. :-) > > > > >NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes > >are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift > >into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start > >IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire. > >If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch > >until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because > >you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and > >have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have > >to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the > >motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R. > > > > > > > > > >then almost made it back out when I hit a > >> monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side > >> tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one > >> inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't > >> sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its > >> body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* > >> STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and > >> was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back > >> to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take > >> it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD > >> high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't > >> know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got > >> pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me > >> out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey > >> 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I > >> have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail > >> while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were > >> laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) > >> > >> > >You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of > >winch capacity you should be considering. <hehehe> Those lockers will not > >prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get > >stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> -- > >> Travis > >> http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > >> The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > >> :wq! > > -- > Travis > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
That's right. So is the had throttle... :-)
Actually, the T was a pretty awesome vehicle. Considering its low power and 2wd, it could go places that most of today's cars would be hard pressed to follow. People used them very much like people used the post war jeeps... for *everything*! http://www.doughty500.com/2003/Pics/Bernie/offroad2.jpg http://www.sweetchariots.com/December-trucks.jpg http://vintagecars.about.com/cs/amer...ettsmodelT.htm -- Jim -- 98 TJ SE 90 SJ GW http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard enough..." "4x4" in caps is "$X$" "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3FA01994.6FF41C8C@sympatico.ca... > If you think a locker would have got you out, you need to learn the > brake pedal method! > > If you bang the brake pedal down when one wheel is turning, the brake > will stop that wheel and transfer the torque to the other side. > > This trick works great and is as old as the model T..... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > travis wrote: > > > > I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' > > today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except > > for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back > > left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled > > right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch > > and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came > > slamming back down... then almost made it back out when I hit a > > monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side > > tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one > > inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't > > sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its > > body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* > > STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and > > was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back > > to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take > > it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD > > high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't > > know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got > > pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me > > out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey > > 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I > > have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail > > while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were > > laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) > > > > -- > > Travis > > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
That's right. So is the had throttle... :-)
Actually, the T was a pretty awesome vehicle. Considering its low power and 2wd, it could go places that most of today's cars would be hard pressed to follow. People used them very much like people used the post war jeeps... for *everything*! http://www.doughty500.com/2003/Pics/Bernie/offroad2.jpg http://www.sweetchariots.com/December-trucks.jpg http://vintagecars.about.com/cs/amer...ettsmodelT.htm -- Jim -- 98 TJ SE 90 SJ GW http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard enough..." "4x4" in caps is "$X$" "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3FA01994.6FF41C8C@sympatico.ca... > If you think a locker would have got you out, you need to learn the > brake pedal method! > > If you bang the brake pedal down when one wheel is turning, the brake > will stop that wheel and transfer the torque to the other side. > > This trick works great and is as old as the model T..... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > travis wrote: > > > > I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' > > today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except > > for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back > > left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled > > right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch > > and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came > > slamming back down... then almost made it back out when I hit a > > monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side > > tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one > > inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't > > sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its > > body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* > > STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and > > was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back > > to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take > > it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD > > high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't > > know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got > > pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me > > out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey > > 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I > > have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail > > while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were > > laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) > > > > -- > > Travis > > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
That's right. So is the had throttle... :-)
Actually, the T was a pretty awesome vehicle. Considering its low power and 2wd, it could go places that most of today's cars would be hard pressed to follow. People used them very much like people used the post war jeeps... for *everything*! http://www.doughty500.com/2003/Pics/Bernie/offroad2.jpg http://www.sweetchariots.com/December-trucks.jpg http://vintagecars.about.com/cs/amer...ettsmodelT.htm -- Jim -- 98 TJ SE 90 SJ GW http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98 "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard enough..." "4x4" in caps is "$X$" "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3FA01994.6FF41C8C@sympatico.ca... > If you think a locker would have got you out, you need to learn the > brake pedal method! > > If you bang the brake pedal down when one wheel is turning, the brake > will stop that wheel and transfer the torque to the other side. > > This trick works great and is as old as the model T..... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > travis wrote: > > > > I talked a buddy of mine at work into riding along for some wheelin' > > today for lunch... Got way back on the trails with no problem, except > > for that one hill we were going down that was so steep that the back > > left tire came about 2 feet off of the ground and we almost rolled > > right there....but I let off on the brakes and pushed in the clutch > > and we went flying down the rest of the hill after that back tire came > > slamming back down... then almost made it back out when I hit a > > monster rut that was so deep... It was so deep that the right side > > tires (31" truck tires) were completely under mud except for about one > > inch showing at the top of each of them....the only reason it didn't > > sink further was that the jeep was resting on the right side of its > > body. I tried for about 15 minutes to get out but it was *s.t.u.c.k* > > STUCK. Called the wife and she came out in the 2WD Ford pickup and > > was unable to pull me out so got her to take my friend Joe and I back > > to work where his shiny new 2003 Chevy 4WD truck was. Got him to take > > it offroad for the first time. He was able to pull me out in 4WD > > high, without even going to low which is a good thing since he didn't > > know how to put his truck in 4WD-low. D'oh! Of course the wife got > > pissed at me that she had to take time off of her schedule to help me > > out so I promised her it'll never happen again. I found a Ramsey > > 8000# winch that I'm buying on my credit card this Friday. Damn, I > > have mud all over the seat of my pants where I fell down on the trail > > while hooking up a rope. The "ladies" in the cafeteria at work were > > laughing at me over it. Good excuse to go home early? :-) > > > > -- > > Travis > > http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html > > The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it. > > :wq! |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MKGdnfOq8u2qhDyiRVn-gg@comcast.com... > That's right. So is the had throttle... :-) Make that 'hand throttle'. I don't have a cold... :-) Jim |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MKGdnfOq8u2qhDyiRVn-gg@comcast.com... > That's right. So is the had throttle... :-) Make that 'hand throttle'. I don't have a cold... :-) Jim |
Re: Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MKGdnfOq8u2qhDyiRVn-gg@comcast.com... > That's right. So is the had throttle... :-) Make that 'hand throttle'. I don't have a cold... :-) Jim |
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