Where might I find "Degree Wedges" for my axle.
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Re: Where might I find "Degree Wedges" for my axle.
In article <Hzwpb.105704$832.96713@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
"c" <c@me.org> wrote:
> This is just an opinion,
Don't worry, understood. ;^)
> but I would go right to the 3 degree shim. A little
> extra caster helps the tires return to center easier, but the drawback is
> that it takes a bit more effort to turn the steering wheel.
I was directed to this wedge thing a while back when we first got my
wife's Jeep. I told the group it was steering kinda twitchily, touchy. I
was told that the shackle lift changed the castor. This I don't debate,
but I got to thinking that the longer front shackle would actually
increase the castor, which I thought was not a too bad a thing. But is
it? I just don't know. So, the wedge would go in from the rear (thick
end in the rear)?
> This really
> isn't an issue with power steering, but it might be noticeable with manual
> steering. The other issue is that when the wheels are turned, they will "lay
> over", or camber a bit more. I suppose this could cause a little more tire
> wear, but it is negligible. The best way to illustrate the tires laying over
> would be if you remember the old front engine dragsters that had the bicycle
> type wheels on the front. Most of them had an awful lot of caster built in
> to the front suspension, but it was for high speed stability.
>
> Chris
Gotcha. That little YJ already rides the tire tracks on the road, up and
down. :^)
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"c" <c@me.org> wrote:
> This is just an opinion,
Don't worry, understood. ;^)
> but I would go right to the 3 degree shim. A little
> extra caster helps the tires return to center easier, but the drawback is
> that it takes a bit more effort to turn the steering wheel.
I was directed to this wedge thing a while back when we first got my
wife's Jeep. I told the group it was steering kinda twitchily, touchy. I
was told that the shackle lift changed the castor. This I don't debate,
but I got to thinking that the longer front shackle would actually
increase the castor, which I thought was not a too bad a thing. But is
it? I just don't know. So, the wedge would go in from the rear (thick
end in the rear)?
> This really
> isn't an issue with power steering, but it might be noticeable with manual
> steering. The other issue is that when the wheels are turned, they will "lay
> over", or camber a bit more. I suppose this could cause a little more tire
> wear, but it is negligible. The best way to illustrate the tires laying over
> would be if you remember the old front engine dragsters that had the bicycle
> type wheels on the front. Most of them had an awful lot of caster built in
> to the front suspension, but it was for high speed stability.
>
> Chris
Gotcha. That little YJ already rides the tire tracks on the road, up and
down. :^)
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Re: Where might I find "Degree Wedges" for my axle.
In article <Hzwpb.105704$832.96713@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
"c" <c@me.org> wrote:
> This is just an opinion,
Don't worry, understood. ;^)
> but I would go right to the 3 degree shim. A little
> extra caster helps the tires return to center easier, but the drawback is
> that it takes a bit more effort to turn the steering wheel.
I was directed to this wedge thing a while back when we first got my
wife's Jeep. I told the group it was steering kinda twitchily, touchy. I
was told that the shackle lift changed the castor. This I don't debate,
but I got to thinking that the longer front shackle would actually
increase the castor, which I thought was not a too bad a thing. But is
it? I just don't know. So, the wedge would go in from the rear (thick
end in the rear)?
> This really
> isn't an issue with power steering, but it might be noticeable with manual
> steering. The other issue is that when the wheels are turned, they will "lay
> over", or camber a bit more. I suppose this could cause a little more tire
> wear, but it is negligible. The best way to illustrate the tires laying over
> would be if you remember the old front engine dragsters that had the bicycle
> type wheels on the front. Most of them had an awful lot of caster built in
> to the front suspension, but it was for high speed stability.
>
> Chris
Gotcha. That little YJ already rides the tire tracks on the road, up and
down. :^)
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"c" <c@me.org> wrote:
> This is just an opinion,
Don't worry, understood. ;^)
> but I would go right to the 3 degree shim. A little
> extra caster helps the tires return to center easier, but the drawback is
> that it takes a bit more effort to turn the steering wheel.
I was directed to this wedge thing a while back when we first got my
wife's Jeep. I told the group it was steering kinda twitchily, touchy. I
was told that the shackle lift changed the castor. This I don't debate,
but I got to thinking that the longer front shackle would actually
increase the castor, which I thought was not a too bad a thing. But is
it? I just don't know. So, the wedge would go in from the rear (thick
end in the rear)?
> This really
> isn't an issue with power steering, but it might be noticeable with manual
> steering. The other issue is that when the wheels are turned, they will "lay
> over", or camber a bit more. I suppose this could cause a little more tire
> wear, but it is negligible. The best way to illustrate the tires laying over
> would be if you remember the old front engine dragsters that had the bicycle
> type wheels on the front. Most of them had an awful lot of caster built in
> to the front suspension, but it was for high speed stability.
>
> Chris
Gotcha. That little YJ already rides the tire tracks on the road, up and
down. :^)
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Re: Where might I find "Degree Wedges" for my axle.
In article <8h5dqv4c2m3qd8g7j89pqkg3ga7ndbmoql@4ax.com>,
James Gemmill <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote:
> Could it be yu need a drop pitman arm to get rid of bump steer?
I don't think the lift is exteme enough, like on my CJ. It's just
shackles on the YJ. I was thinking the the tires may also be the culprit.
I'll post a pic of her YJ over in alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4
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James Gemmill <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote:
> Could it be yu need a drop pitman arm to get rid of bump steer?
I don't think the lift is exteme enough, like on my CJ. It's just
shackles on the YJ. I was thinking the the tires may also be the culprit.
I'll post a pic of her YJ over in alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4
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Re: Where might I find "Degree Wedges" for my axle.
In article <8h5dqv4c2m3qd8g7j89pqkg3ga7ndbmoql@4ax.com>,
James Gemmill <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote:
> Could it be yu need a drop pitman arm to get rid of bump steer?
I don't think the lift is exteme enough, like on my CJ. It's just
shackles on the YJ. I was thinking the the tires may also be the culprit.
I'll post a pic of her YJ over in alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4
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James Gemmill <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote:
> Could it be yu need a drop pitman arm to get rid of bump steer?
I don't think the lift is exteme enough, like on my CJ. It's just
shackles on the YJ. I was thinking the the tires may also be the culprit.
I'll post a pic of her YJ over in alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4
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Re: Where might I find "Degree Wedges" for my axle.
In article <8h5dqv4c2m3qd8g7j89pqkg3ga7ndbmoql@4ax.com>,
James Gemmill <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote:
> Could it be yu need a drop pitman arm to get rid of bump steer?
I don't think the lift is exteme enough, like on my CJ. It's just
shackles on the YJ. I was thinking the the tires may also be the culprit.
I'll post a pic of her YJ over in alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4
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James Gemmill <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote:
> Could it be yu need a drop pitman arm to get rid of bump steer?
I don't think the lift is exteme enough, like on my CJ. It's just
shackles on the YJ. I was thinking the the tires may also be the culprit.
I'll post a pic of her YJ over in alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4
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Re: Where might I find "Degree Wedges" for my axle.
"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
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> In article <Hzwpb.105704$832.96713@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
> "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
>
> > This is just an opinion,
>
> Don't worry, understood. ;^)
>
> > but I would go right to the 3 degree shim. A little
> > extra caster helps the tires return to center easier, but the drawback
is
> > that it takes a bit more effort to turn the steering wheel.
>
> I was directed to this wedge thing a while back when we first got my
> wife's Jeep. I told the group it was steering kinda twitchily, touchy. I
> was told that the shackle lift changed the castor. This I don't debate,
> but I got to thinking that the longer front shackle would actually
> increase the castor, which I thought was not a too bad a thing. But is
> it? I just don't know. So, the wedge would go in from the rear (thick
> end in the rear)?
Actually a longer front shackle will decrease the caster because it will
rotate the pinion up, which will bring the ball joints closer to vertical.
To correct this you would put the thick part of the shim toward the shackle.
Chris
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Re: Where might I find "Degree Wedges" for my axle.
"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
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> In article <Hzwpb.105704$832.96713@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
> "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
>
> > This is just an opinion,
>
> Don't worry, understood. ;^)
>
> > but I would go right to the 3 degree shim. A little
> > extra caster helps the tires return to center easier, but the drawback
is
> > that it takes a bit more effort to turn the steering wheel.
>
> I was directed to this wedge thing a while back when we first got my
> wife's Jeep. I told the group it was steering kinda twitchily, touchy. I
> was told that the shackle lift changed the castor. This I don't debate,
> but I got to thinking that the longer front shackle would actually
> increase the castor, which I thought was not a too bad a thing. But is
> it? I just don't know. So, the wedge would go in from the rear (thick
> end in the rear)?
Actually a longer front shackle will decrease the caster because it will
rotate the pinion up, which will bring the ball joints closer to vertical.
To correct this you would put the thick part of the shim toward the shackle.
Chris
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Re: Where might I find "Degree Wedges" for my axle.
"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
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> In article <Hzwpb.105704$832.96713@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
> "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
>
> > This is just an opinion,
>
> Don't worry, understood. ;^)
>
> > but I would go right to the 3 degree shim. A little
> > extra caster helps the tires return to center easier, but the drawback
is
> > that it takes a bit more effort to turn the steering wheel.
>
> I was directed to this wedge thing a while back when we first got my
> wife's Jeep. I told the group it was steering kinda twitchily, touchy. I
> was told that the shackle lift changed the castor. This I don't debate,
> but I got to thinking that the longer front shackle would actually
> increase the castor, which I thought was not a too bad a thing. But is
> it? I just don't know. So, the wedge would go in from the rear (thick
> end in the rear)?
Actually a longer front shackle will decrease the caster because it will
rotate the pinion up, which will bring the ball joints closer to vertical.
To correct this you would put the thick part of the shim toward the shackle.
Chris
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Re: Where might I find "Degree Wedges" for my axle.
How tall are the shackles?
They can drop the front of the axle low enough for bump steer easily.
The shims will help bring the axle back flat which will raise the tie
rods back up. This 'could' maybe be enough to get rid of the bump
steer, so I would try the shims first.
Oh the shims in the front go in from the front, the shims on the rear go
in from the rear.
The longer shackle in front lowers or turns the front of the front axle
down, you want to raise it back up.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeepers wrote:
>
> In article <8h5dqv4c2m3qd8g7j89pqkg3ga7ndbmoql@4ax.com>,
> James Gemmill <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote:
>
> > Could it be yu need a drop pitman arm to get rid of bump steer?
>
> I don't think the lift is exteme enough, like on my CJ. It's just
> shackles on the YJ. I was thinking the the tires may also be the culprit.
>
> I'll post a pic of her YJ over in alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4
>
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They can drop the front of the axle low enough for bump steer easily.
The shims will help bring the axle back flat which will raise the tie
rods back up. This 'could' maybe be enough to get rid of the bump
steer, so I would try the shims first.
Oh the shims in the front go in from the front, the shims on the rear go
in from the rear.
The longer shackle in front lowers or turns the front of the front axle
down, you want to raise it back up.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeepers wrote:
>
> In article <8h5dqv4c2m3qd8g7j89pqkg3ga7ndbmoql@4ax.com>,
> James Gemmill <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote:
>
> > Could it be yu need a drop pitman arm to get rid of bump steer?
>
> I don't think the lift is exteme enough, like on my CJ. It's just
> shackles on the YJ. I was thinking the the tires may also be the culprit.
>
> I'll post a pic of her YJ over in alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4
>
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Re: Where might I find "Degree Wedges" for my axle.
How tall are the shackles?
They can drop the front of the axle low enough for bump steer easily.
The shims will help bring the axle back flat which will raise the tie
rods back up. This 'could' maybe be enough to get rid of the bump
steer, so I would try the shims first.
Oh the shims in the front go in from the front, the shims on the rear go
in from the rear.
The longer shackle in front lowers or turns the front of the front axle
down, you want to raise it back up.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeepers wrote:
>
> In article <8h5dqv4c2m3qd8g7j89pqkg3ga7ndbmoql@4ax.com>,
> James Gemmill <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote:
>
> > Could it be yu need a drop pitman arm to get rid of bump steer?
>
> I don't think the lift is exteme enough, like on my CJ. It's just
> shackles on the YJ. I was thinking the the tires may also be the culprit.
>
> I'll post a pic of her YJ over in alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4
>
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They can drop the front of the axle low enough for bump steer easily.
The shims will help bring the axle back flat which will raise the tie
rods back up. This 'could' maybe be enough to get rid of the bump
steer, so I would try the shims first.
Oh the shims in the front go in from the front, the shims on the rear go
in from the rear.
The longer shackle in front lowers or turns the front of the front axle
down, you want to raise it back up.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeepers wrote:
>
> In article <8h5dqv4c2m3qd8g7j89pqkg3ga7ndbmoql@4ax.com>,
> James Gemmill <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote:
>
> > Could it be yu need a drop pitman arm to get rid of bump steer?
>
> I don't think the lift is exteme enough, like on my CJ. It's just
> shackles on the YJ. I was thinking the the tires may also be the culprit.
>
> I'll post a pic of her YJ over in alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4
>
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