Graham-Paige motor company claimed the first auto with optional
non-shattering safety glass in 1930. Libby-Owens Sheet Glass Co, had just
merged with the Edward Ford plate glass Co, forming Libbey-Owens-Ford,
mostly owned by the Graham Brothers, who build Dodge's early trucks for
them. After WW2, Frazier bought the company, merged with Kaiser, who later
bought ****** and made Jeeps, eaten by AMC, Dodge, and now our buddies, D-C.
Interesting story of Graham, http://members.shaw.ca/rjsill/justwhat.htm, and
an obscure part of the Jeep history.
Graham Club website, http://www.graham-paige.com/
I have a 39 and 40 Supercharger "Sharknose", and Dad has an original custom
bodied 837 Limo

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

 

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:24:06 UTC "Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote:

> Graham-Paige motor company claimed the first auto with optional
> non-shattering safety glass in 1930. Libby-Owens Sheet Glass Co, had just
> merged with the Edward Ford plate glass Co, forming Libbey-Owens-Ford,
> mostly owned by the Graham Brothers, who build Dodge's early trucks for
> them. After WW2, Frazier bought the company, merged with Kaiser, who later
> bought ****** and made Jeeps, eaten by AMC, Dodge, and now our buddies, D-C.
> Interesting story of Graham, http://members.shaw.ca/rjsill/justwhat.htm, and
> an obscure part of the Jeep history.
> Graham Club website, http://www.graham-paige.com/
> I have a 39 and 40 Supercharger "Sharknose", and Dad has an original custom
> bodied 837 Limo

Crap! The Shaw url failed (page not found) when I tried it.

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

 

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:24:06 UTC "Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote:

> Graham-Paige motor company claimed the first auto with optional
> non-shattering safety glass in 1930. Libby-Owens Sheet Glass Co, had just
> merged with the Edward Ford plate glass Co, forming Libbey-Owens-Ford,
> mostly owned by the Graham Brothers, who build Dodge's early trucks for
> them. After WW2, Frazier bought the company, merged with Kaiser, who later
> bought ****** and made Jeeps, eaten by AMC, Dodge, and now our buddies, D-C.
> Interesting story of Graham, http://members.shaw.ca/rjsill/justwhat.htm, and
> an obscure part of the Jeep history.
> Graham Club website, http://www.graham-paige.com/
> I have a 39 and 40 Supercharger "Sharknose", and Dad has an original custom
> bodied 837 Limo

Crap! The Shaw url failed (page not found) when I tried it.

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

 

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:24:06 UTC "Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote:

> Graham-Paige motor company claimed the first auto with optional
> non-shattering safety glass in 1930. Libby-Owens Sheet Glass Co, had just
> merged with the Edward Ford plate glass Co, forming Libbey-Owens-Ford,
> mostly owned by the Graham Brothers, who build Dodge's early trucks for
> them. After WW2, Frazier bought the company, merged with Kaiser, who later
> bought ****** and made Jeeps, eaten by AMC, Dodge, and now our buddies, D-C.
> Interesting story of Graham, http://members.shaw.ca/rjsill/justwhat.htm, and
> an obscure part of the Jeep history.
> Graham Club website, http://www.graham-paige.com/
> I have a 39 and 40 Supercharger "Sharknose", and Dad has an original custom
> bodied 837 Limo

Crap! The Shaw url failed (page not found) when I tried it.

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

 

Here in Ontario Canada, we just have to have a working wiper. It says
nothing about glass or if the windshield is up or down.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
> Us Californians, may drive with the windshield down, I used to do
> it all the time. The law says the vehicle "shall be equipped with an
> adequate windshield", it doesn't saying anything about having to have it
> up to see through it: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26700.htm
> When offroading, I'd just leave it back at camp:
> http://www.----------.com/brokenbuggy.jpg More Real Jeepers would be
> doing it, but the wind is so compressed that driving at 45 MPH is like
> over a hundred on a bike. Of course we still have operating mirrors. But
> it's perfect for Highway One, along the beaches where the speed limit is
> only 25 anyway.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Paul Calman wrote:
> >
> > Most state's law and antique auto clubs require the use of automotive safety
> > glass in all vehicles, regardless of age.
> >
> > Many states require motorcyclists to wear safety glasses, even some without
> > helmet laws. I wear polycarbonate glasses day and night on my bikes, clear,
> > dark and yellow. They get damaged and have to be replaced regularly.
> >
> > California will let you ride a bike without glasses, but you cant drive your
> > Jeep with the windshield down.
> >
> > This is a world wide web, so questions about law should include your
> > location, but common sense should be universal.
> > --
> > Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

 

Here in Ontario Canada, we just have to have a working wiper. It says
nothing about glass or if the windshield is up or down.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
> Us Californians, may drive with the windshield down, I used to do
> it all the time. The law says the vehicle "shall be equipped with an
> adequate windshield", it doesn't saying anything about having to have it
> up to see through it: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26700.htm
> When offroading, I'd just leave it back at camp:
> http://www.----------.com/brokenbuggy.jpg More Real Jeepers would be
> doing it, but the wind is so compressed that driving at 45 MPH is like
> over a hundred on a bike. Of course we still have operating mirrors. But
> it's perfect for Highway One, along the beaches where the speed limit is
> only 25 anyway.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Paul Calman wrote:
> >
> > Most state's law and antique auto clubs require the use of automotive safety
> > glass in all vehicles, regardless of age.
> >
> > Many states require motorcyclists to wear safety glasses, even some without
> > helmet laws. I wear polycarbonate glasses day and night on my bikes, clear,
> > dark and yellow. They get damaged and have to be replaced regularly.
> >
> > California will let you ride a bike without glasses, but you cant drive your
> > Jeep with the windshield down.
> >
> > This is a world wide web, so questions about law should include your
> > location, but common sense should be universal.
> > --
> > Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

 

Here in Ontario Canada, we just have to have a working wiper. It says
nothing about glass or if the windshield is up or down.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
> Us Californians, may drive with the windshield down, I used to do
> it all the time. The law says the vehicle "shall be equipped with an
> adequate windshield", it doesn't saying anything about having to have it
> up to see through it: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26700.htm
> When offroading, I'd just leave it back at camp:
> http://www.----------.com/brokenbuggy.jpg More Real Jeepers would be
> doing it, but the wind is so compressed that driving at 45 MPH is like
> over a hundred on a bike. Of course we still have operating mirrors. But
> it's perfect for Highway One, along the beaches where the speed limit is
> only 25 anyway.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Paul Calman wrote:
> >
> > Most state's law and antique auto clubs require the use of automotive safety
> > glass in all vehicles, regardless of age.
> >
> > Many states require motorcyclists to wear safety glasses, even some without
> > helmet laws. I wear polycarbonate glasses day and night on my bikes, clear,
> > dark and yellow. They get damaged and have to be replaced regularly.
> >
> > California will let you ride a bike without glasses, but you cant drive your
> > Jeep with the windshield down.
> >
> > This is a world wide web, so questions about law should include your
> > location, but common sense should be universal.
> > --
> > Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

 

Thanks for *all* that responded. I guess I really picked a hot-topic.
At least if "safety glass" was what it originally came with, makes
since to keep it that way.

Just a side note on the "windshield down" laws in California. I have
no idea what the actual law says, but I'll tell you that if the CHP
really wants to give you a ticket, they will, no matter what the law
says. Now, if your lucky, the judge will throw it out, but still you
probably had to miss a day of work to appear in court. I know I got 3
seat belt tickets in a 6 month period, in my 1949 CJ2A, when I lived
in Brawley, CA. The judge got so tired of seeing me that he wrote me
a note to show the CHP officers whenever they pulled me over, which
happend another dozen or so times in the next year before I moved to
Tucson, AZ. In Arizona I was told that I needed a windshield on my
motorcycle, which wasn't correct, I just had to wear glasses (no
helmet laws here). I wonder if the same applies for driving with the
windshield down, maybe it is fine as long as your wearing glasses, or
in Cali. maybe a helmet as well. But again, I have no idea, and the
CHP can always write it up as "wreckless driving" if they really want
to, and leave it up to the judge to decide.


L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<4005B0A8.5B469997@***.net>...
> Hi Eric,
> The 1946 Civilian Jeep came new with safety glass, I really doubt
> any would try even tempered glass, mostly because it's illegal and would
> leave themselves wide open for a law suit.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Eric wrote:
> >
> > It seems like it has regular old plate glass in it right now. Is this
> > okay, maybe because the size of each pane is so small that it has
> > enough strength? I'm thinking I'll probably just throw a rock at it,
> > or drop a rock on it, and see how bad it shatters. Then, if not too
> > bad, I'll just replace it with the same kind. I'm trying to call
> > around for prices though, and I'm not sure if it currently has plate
> > glass or what kind of glass it is. Any recommendations? I own a
> > motorcycle also, and plenty of times I drive around with the
> > windshield down anyway, so I'm not to worried about "flying objects" I
> > guess, but I also don't want the glass to shatter and make it even
> > more dangerous than driving with no windshield.

 

Thanks for *all* that responded. I guess I really picked a hot-topic.
At least if "safety glass" was what it originally came with, makes
since to keep it that way.

Just a side note on the "windshield down" laws in California. I have
no idea what the actual law says, but I'll tell you that if the CHP
really wants to give you a ticket, they will, no matter what the law
says. Now, if your lucky, the judge will throw it out, but still you
probably had to miss a day of work to appear in court. I know I got 3
seat belt tickets in a 6 month period, in my 1949 CJ2A, when I lived
in Brawley, CA. The judge got so tired of seeing me that he wrote me
a note to show the CHP officers whenever they pulled me over, which
happend another dozen or so times in the next year before I moved to
Tucson, AZ. In Arizona I was told that I needed a windshield on my
motorcycle, which wasn't correct, I just had to wear glasses (no
helmet laws here). I wonder if the same applies for driving with the
windshield down, maybe it is fine as long as your wearing glasses, or
in Cali. maybe a helmet as well. But again, I have no idea, and the
CHP can always write it up as "wreckless driving" if they really want
to, and leave it up to the judge to decide.


L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<4005B0A8.5B469997@***.net>...
> Hi Eric,
> The 1946 Civilian Jeep came new with safety glass, I really doubt
> any would try even tempered glass, mostly because it's illegal and would
> leave themselves wide open for a law suit.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Eric wrote:
> >
> > It seems like it has regular old plate glass in it right now. Is this
> > okay, maybe because the size of each pane is so small that it has
> > enough strength? I'm thinking I'll probably just throw a rock at it,
> > or drop a rock on it, and see how bad it shatters. Then, if not too
> > bad, I'll just replace it with the same kind. I'm trying to call
> > around for prices though, and I'm not sure if it currently has plate
> > glass or what kind of glass it is. Any recommendations? I own a
> > motorcycle also, and plenty of times I drive around with the
> > windshield down anyway, so I'm not to worried about "flying objects" I
> > guess, but I also don't want the glass to shatter and make it even
> > more dangerous than driving with no windshield.

 

Thanks for *all* that responded. I guess I really picked a hot-topic.
At least if "safety glass" was what it originally came with, makes
since to keep it that way.

Just a side note on the "windshield down" laws in California. I have
no idea what the actual law says, but I'll tell you that if the CHP
really wants to give you a ticket, they will, no matter what the law
says. Now, if your lucky, the judge will throw it out, but still you
probably had to miss a day of work to appear in court. I know I got 3
seat belt tickets in a 6 month period, in my 1949 CJ2A, when I lived
in Brawley, CA. The judge got so tired of seeing me that he wrote me
a note to show the CHP officers whenever they pulled me over, which
happend another dozen or so times in the next year before I moved to
Tucson, AZ. In Arizona I was told that I needed a windshield on my
motorcycle, which wasn't correct, I just had to wear glasses (no
helmet laws here). I wonder if the same applies for driving with the
windshield down, maybe it is fine as long as your wearing glasses, or
in Cali. maybe a helmet as well. But again, I have no idea, and the
CHP can always write it up as "wreckless driving" if they really want
to, and leave it up to the judge to decide.


L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<4005B0A8.5B469997@***.net>...
> Hi Eric,
> The 1946 Civilian Jeep came new with safety glass, I really doubt
> any would try even tempered glass, mostly because it's illegal and would
> leave themselves wide open for a law suit.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Eric wrote:
> >
> > It seems like it has regular old plate glass in it right now. Is this
> > okay, maybe because the size of each pane is so small that it has
> > enough strength? I'm thinking I'll probably just throw a rock at it,
> > or drop a rock on it, and see how bad it shatters. Then, if not too
> > bad, I'll just replace it with the same kind. I'm trying to call
> > around for prices though, and I'm not sure if it currently has plate
> > glass or what kind of glass it is. Any recommendations? I own a
> > motorcycle also, and plenty of times I drive around with the
> > windshield down anyway, so I'm not to worried about "flying objects" I
> > guess, but I also don't want the glass to shatter and make it even
> > more dangerous than driving with no windshield.