What tire chains to buy for my TJ?
10-22-2003, 08:29 PM
#31
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Re: What tire chains to buy for my TJ? (ping san diego jeepers)
Hi Dave,
The Jeeps and 4X4 trucks in my clique were always waved through,
but that didn't stop us from chaining up, this picture of my Daughter,
now 33 taken at Mt. Palomar near Dome Lake:
http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Shannon wrote:
>
> Kevin, Jerry, Bill . . . ?
> Back when I had my '56 the CHP used to insist 4wd vehicles either have
> dedicated snow tires or chains on the front for trips up to the Lagunas do
> you guys know if this is still in force.
> Thanks
> Dave
> '01 TJ
The Jeeps and 4X4 trucks in my clique were always waved through,
but that didn't stop us from chaining up, this picture of my Daughter,
now 33 taken at Mt. Palomar near Dome Lake:
http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Dave Shannon wrote:
>
> Kevin, Jerry, Bill . . . ?
> Back when I had my '56 the CHP used to insist 4wd vehicles either have
> dedicated snow tires or chains on the front for trips up to the Lagunas do
> you guys know if this is still in force.
> Thanks
> Dave
> '01 TJ
10-22-2003, 08:33 PM
#32
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Re: What tire chains to buy for my TJ?
I was thinking of the inside of the fender wells, not the tire. We used to
use tractor chains in the orchard in winter, and in my experience if you are
going to use chains off road, then you'd better be prepared to deal with
broken links. On road, I don't think that they are necessary, but on the
other hand I too don't see where cable "chains" would be a problem.
I met a guy at the top of Snowqualmie Pass once with cable chains on the
back of his front wheel drive car. He told me that the manufacturer said no
chains on the front, but the Washington State Patrol said chains were
required on at least on axle on the Pass, so he put them on the back!
Earle
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:28Flb.2200$Fm2.4961@attbi_s04...
> Approximately 10/22/03 16:45, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Colorado State Patrol says four wheel drive plus mud and snow tires are
> > "just as good as chains" for conditions where chains are required for
> > passenger cars. I can't figure out why you would put chains on
something
> > like a TJ unless you planned to drive on glare ice with rain water or a
thin
> > layer of mud on top. I never had any trouble with my YJ in winter
without
> > chains even though I used to live in the Pacific Northwest, the icy
slush
> > capitol of the world. Perhaps if you want to off-road in snow or mud...
>
> *DOES* anyone run cable chains on a TJ, ZJ, etc.
> My owners manual also says no deal, but there is definitely
> enough room for even the old fashioned clankers under there,
> with a tight cable chain can't imagine the problem.
>
> UNLESS, the chain might booger up the anti-skid system or
> sensors... or is DC just blowing smoke?
>
> Granted if I lived in nastier area, would probably just use
> nice northern european snow tires with full studs rather than
> the PITA of chains. Unless using a plow or such in a coupla
> feet of broken snow...
> >
> > That said chains loosen up with use even if you think you have them set
all
> > the way tight and you have rubber tensioners on too. Also if you are in
> > conditions where you really need chains on a four wheel drive vehicle
> > chances are pretty good that you are going to break the occasional cross
> > link which will then flail on your inner fenders. For this reason it is
> > best to be conservative with clearance when using chains.
>
> Is there really a good reason not to use them, other than keeping
> them in good repair and tightened?
>
> Some older thinwall radials don't work with chains, but cable chains
> to my knowledge will work with any tire, and can't imagine even
> clankers hurting a multi-sidewall ply all terrain tire.
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>
use tractor chains in the orchard in winter, and in my experience if you are
going to use chains off road, then you'd better be prepared to deal with
broken links. On road, I don't think that they are necessary, but on the
other hand I too don't see where cable "chains" would be a problem.
I met a guy at the top of Snowqualmie Pass once with cable chains on the
back of his front wheel drive car. He told me that the manufacturer said no
chains on the front, but the Washington State Patrol said chains were
required on at least on axle on the Pass, so he put them on the back!
Earle
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:28Flb.2200$Fm2.4961@attbi_s04...
> Approximately 10/22/03 16:45, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Colorado State Patrol says four wheel drive plus mud and snow tires are
> > "just as good as chains" for conditions where chains are required for
> > passenger cars. I can't figure out why you would put chains on
something
> > like a TJ unless you planned to drive on glare ice with rain water or a
thin
> > layer of mud on top. I never had any trouble with my YJ in winter
without
> > chains even though I used to live in the Pacific Northwest, the icy
slush
> > capitol of the world. Perhaps if you want to off-road in snow or mud...
>
> *DOES* anyone run cable chains on a TJ, ZJ, etc.
> My owners manual also says no deal, but there is definitely
> enough room for even the old fashioned clankers under there,
> with a tight cable chain can't imagine the problem.
>
> UNLESS, the chain might booger up the anti-skid system or
> sensors... or is DC just blowing smoke?
>
> Granted if I lived in nastier area, would probably just use
> nice northern european snow tires with full studs rather than
> the PITA of chains. Unless using a plow or such in a coupla
> feet of broken snow...
> >
> > That said chains loosen up with use even if you think you have them set
all
> > the way tight and you have rubber tensioners on too. Also if you are in
> > conditions where you really need chains on a four wheel drive vehicle
> > chances are pretty good that you are going to break the occasional cross
> > link which will then flail on your inner fenders. For this reason it is
> > best to be conservative with clearance when using chains.
>
> Is there really a good reason not to use them, other than keeping
> them in good repair and tightened?
>
> Some older thinwall radials don't work with chains, but cable chains
> to my knowledge will work with any tire, and can't imagine even
> clankers hurting a multi-sidewall ply all terrain tire.
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>
10-22-2003, 08:33 PM
#33
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Re: What tire chains to buy for my TJ?
I was thinking of the inside of the fender wells, not the tire. We used to
use tractor chains in the orchard in winter, and in my experience if you are
going to use chains off road, then you'd better be prepared to deal with
broken links. On road, I don't think that they are necessary, but on the
other hand I too don't see where cable "chains" would be a problem.
I met a guy at the top of Snowqualmie Pass once with cable chains on the
back of his front wheel drive car. He told me that the manufacturer said no
chains on the front, but the Washington State Patrol said chains were
required on at least on axle on the Pass, so he put them on the back!
Earle
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:28Flb.2200$Fm2.4961@attbi_s04...
> Approximately 10/22/03 16:45, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Colorado State Patrol says four wheel drive plus mud and snow tires are
> > "just as good as chains" for conditions where chains are required for
> > passenger cars. I can't figure out why you would put chains on
something
> > like a TJ unless you planned to drive on glare ice with rain water or a
thin
> > layer of mud on top. I never had any trouble with my YJ in winter
without
> > chains even though I used to live in the Pacific Northwest, the icy
slush
> > capitol of the world. Perhaps if you want to off-road in snow or mud...
>
> *DOES* anyone run cable chains on a TJ, ZJ, etc.
> My owners manual also says no deal, but there is definitely
> enough room for even the old fashioned clankers under there,
> with a tight cable chain can't imagine the problem.
>
> UNLESS, the chain might booger up the anti-skid system or
> sensors... or is DC just blowing smoke?
>
> Granted if I lived in nastier area, would probably just use
> nice northern european snow tires with full studs rather than
> the PITA of chains. Unless using a plow or such in a coupla
> feet of broken snow...
> >
> > That said chains loosen up with use even if you think you have them set
all
> > the way tight and you have rubber tensioners on too. Also if you are in
> > conditions where you really need chains on a four wheel drive vehicle
> > chances are pretty good that you are going to break the occasional cross
> > link which will then flail on your inner fenders. For this reason it is
> > best to be conservative with clearance when using chains.
>
> Is there really a good reason not to use them, other than keeping
> them in good repair and tightened?
>
> Some older thinwall radials don't work with chains, but cable chains
> to my knowledge will work with any tire, and can't imagine even
> clankers hurting a multi-sidewall ply all terrain tire.
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>
use tractor chains in the orchard in winter, and in my experience if you are
going to use chains off road, then you'd better be prepared to deal with
broken links. On road, I don't think that they are necessary, but on the
other hand I too don't see where cable "chains" would be a problem.
I met a guy at the top of Snowqualmie Pass once with cable chains on the
back of his front wheel drive car. He told me that the manufacturer said no
chains on the front, but the Washington State Patrol said chains were
required on at least on axle on the Pass, so he put them on the back!
Earle
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:28Flb.2200$Fm2.4961@attbi_s04...
> Approximately 10/22/03 16:45, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Colorado State Patrol says four wheel drive plus mud and snow tires are
> > "just as good as chains" for conditions where chains are required for
> > passenger cars. I can't figure out why you would put chains on
something
> > like a TJ unless you planned to drive on glare ice with rain water or a
thin
> > layer of mud on top. I never had any trouble with my YJ in winter
without
> > chains even though I used to live in the Pacific Northwest, the icy
slush
> > capitol of the world. Perhaps if you want to off-road in snow or mud...
>
> *DOES* anyone run cable chains on a TJ, ZJ, etc.
> My owners manual also says no deal, but there is definitely
> enough room for even the old fashioned clankers under there,
> with a tight cable chain can't imagine the problem.
>
> UNLESS, the chain might booger up the anti-skid system or
> sensors... or is DC just blowing smoke?
>
> Granted if I lived in nastier area, would probably just use
> nice northern european snow tires with full studs rather than
> the PITA of chains. Unless using a plow or such in a coupla
> feet of broken snow...
> >
> > That said chains loosen up with use even if you think you have them set
all
> > the way tight and you have rubber tensioners on too. Also if you are in
> > conditions where you really need chains on a four wheel drive vehicle
> > chances are pretty good that you are going to break the occasional cross
> > link which will then flail on your inner fenders. For this reason it is
> > best to be conservative with clearance when using chains.
>
> Is there really a good reason not to use them, other than keeping
> them in good repair and tightened?
>
> Some older thinwall radials don't work with chains, but cable chains
> to my knowledge will work with any tire, and can't imagine even
> clankers hurting a multi-sidewall ply all terrain tire.
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>
10-22-2003, 08:33 PM
#34
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Re: What tire chains to buy for my TJ?
I was thinking of the inside of the fender wells, not the tire. We used to
use tractor chains in the orchard in winter, and in my experience if you are
going to use chains off road, then you'd better be prepared to deal with
broken links. On road, I don't think that they are necessary, but on the
other hand I too don't see where cable "chains" would be a problem.
I met a guy at the top of Snowqualmie Pass once with cable chains on the
back of his front wheel drive car. He told me that the manufacturer said no
chains on the front, but the Washington State Patrol said chains were
required on at least on axle on the Pass, so he put them on the back!
Earle
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:28Flb.2200$Fm2.4961@attbi_s04...
> Approximately 10/22/03 16:45, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Colorado State Patrol says four wheel drive plus mud and snow tires are
> > "just as good as chains" for conditions where chains are required for
> > passenger cars. I can't figure out why you would put chains on
something
> > like a TJ unless you planned to drive on glare ice with rain water or a
thin
> > layer of mud on top. I never had any trouble with my YJ in winter
without
> > chains even though I used to live in the Pacific Northwest, the icy
slush
> > capitol of the world. Perhaps if you want to off-road in snow or mud...
>
> *DOES* anyone run cable chains on a TJ, ZJ, etc.
> My owners manual also says no deal, but there is definitely
> enough room for even the old fashioned clankers under there,
> with a tight cable chain can't imagine the problem.
>
> UNLESS, the chain might booger up the anti-skid system or
> sensors... or is DC just blowing smoke?
>
> Granted if I lived in nastier area, would probably just use
> nice northern european snow tires with full studs rather than
> the PITA of chains. Unless using a plow or such in a coupla
> feet of broken snow...
> >
> > That said chains loosen up with use even if you think you have them set
all
> > the way tight and you have rubber tensioners on too. Also if you are in
> > conditions where you really need chains on a four wheel drive vehicle
> > chances are pretty good that you are going to break the occasional cross
> > link which will then flail on your inner fenders. For this reason it is
> > best to be conservative with clearance when using chains.
>
> Is there really a good reason not to use them, other than keeping
> them in good repair and tightened?
>
> Some older thinwall radials don't work with chains, but cable chains
> to my knowledge will work with any tire, and can't imagine even
> clankers hurting a multi-sidewall ply all terrain tire.
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>
use tractor chains in the orchard in winter, and in my experience if you are
going to use chains off road, then you'd better be prepared to deal with
broken links. On road, I don't think that they are necessary, but on the
other hand I too don't see where cable "chains" would be a problem.
I met a guy at the top of Snowqualmie Pass once with cable chains on the
back of his front wheel drive car. He told me that the manufacturer said no
chains on the front, but the Washington State Patrol said chains were
required on at least on axle on the Pass, so he put them on the back!
Earle
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:28Flb.2200$Fm2.4961@attbi_s04...
> Approximately 10/22/03 16:45, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:
>
> > Colorado State Patrol says four wheel drive plus mud and snow tires are
> > "just as good as chains" for conditions where chains are required for
> > passenger cars. I can't figure out why you would put chains on
something
> > like a TJ unless you planned to drive on glare ice with rain water or a
thin
> > layer of mud on top. I never had any trouble with my YJ in winter
without
> > chains even though I used to live in the Pacific Northwest, the icy
slush
> > capitol of the world. Perhaps if you want to off-road in snow or mud...
>
> *DOES* anyone run cable chains on a TJ, ZJ, etc.
> My owners manual also says no deal, but there is definitely
> enough room for even the old fashioned clankers under there,
> with a tight cable chain can't imagine the problem.
>
> UNLESS, the chain might booger up the anti-skid system or
> sensors... or is DC just blowing smoke?
>
> Granted if I lived in nastier area, would probably just use
> nice northern european snow tires with full studs rather than
> the PITA of chains. Unless using a plow or such in a coupla
> feet of broken snow...
> >
> > That said chains loosen up with use even if you think you have them set
all
> > the way tight and you have rubber tensioners on too. Also if you are in
> > conditions where you really need chains on a four wheel drive vehicle
> > chances are pretty good that you are going to break the occasional cross
> > link which will then flail on your inner fenders. For this reason it is
> > best to be conservative with clearance when using chains.
>
> Is there really a good reason not to use them, other than keeping
> them in good repair and tightened?
>
> Some older thinwall radials don't work with chains, but cable chains
> to my knowledge will work with any tire, and can't imagine even
> clankers hurting a multi-sidewall ply all terrain tire.
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>
10-22-2003, 09:34 PM
#35
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Re: What tire chains to buy for my TJ? (ping san diego jeepers)
Going over Donner, the CHP just takes a quick look and waves
a ZJ with Michelin M+S thru. I asked if they give any extra
points for the severe winter logo, answer was no, not necessary
as long as the tire is mud and snow and has good tread left.
Approximately 10/22/03 17:29, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Hi Dave,
> The Jeeps and 4X4 trucks in my clique were always waved through,
> but that didn't stop us from chaining up, this picture of my Daughter,
> now 33 taken at Mt. Palomar near Dome Lake:
> http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Dave Shannon wrote:
>>
>> Kevin, Jerry, Bill . . . ?
>> Back when I had my '56 the CHP used to insist 4wd vehicles either have
>> dedicated snow tires or chains on the front for trips up to the Lagunas do
>> you guys know if this is still in force.
>> Thanks
>> Dave
>> '01 TJ
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
10-22-2003, 09:34 PM
#36
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Re: What tire chains to buy for my TJ? (ping san diego jeepers)
Going over Donner, the CHP just takes a quick look and waves
a ZJ with Michelin M+S thru. I asked if they give any extra
points for the severe winter logo, answer was no, not necessary
as long as the tire is mud and snow and has good tread left.
Approximately 10/22/03 17:29, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Hi Dave,
> The Jeeps and 4X4 trucks in my clique were always waved through,
> but that didn't stop us from chaining up, this picture of my Daughter,
> now 33 taken at Mt. Palomar near Dome Lake:
> http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Dave Shannon wrote:
>>
>> Kevin, Jerry, Bill . . . ?
>> Back when I had my '56 the CHP used to insist 4wd vehicles either have
>> dedicated snow tires or chains on the front for trips up to the Lagunas do
>> you guys know if this is still in force.
>> Thanks
>> Dave
>> '01 TJ
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
10-22-2003, 09:34 PM
#37
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Re: What tire chains to buy for my TJ? (ping san diego jeepers)
Going over Donner, the CHP just takes a quick look and waves
a ZJ with Michelin M+S thru. I asked if they give any extra
points for the severe winter logo, answer was no, not necessary
as long as the tire is mud and snow and has good tread left.
Approximately 10/22/03 17:29, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Hi Dave,
> The Jeeps and 4X4 trucks in my clique were always waved through,
> but that didn't stop us from chaining up, this picture of my Daughter,
> now 33 taken at Mt. Palomar near Dome Lake:
> http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Dave Shannon wrote:
>>
>> Kevin, Jerry, Bill . . . ?
>> Back when I had my '56 the CHP used to insist 4wd vehicles either have
>> dedicated snow tires or chains on the front for trips up to the Lagunas do
>> you guys know if this is still in force.
>> Thanks
>> Dave
>> '01 TJ
--
My governor can kick your governor's ***
10-22-2003, 10:04 PM
#38
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Re: What tire chains to buy for my TJ? (ping san diego jeepers)
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:leGlb.938$ao4.3568@attbi_s51...
>
> Going over Donner, the CHP just takes a quick look and waves
> a ZJ with Michelin M+S thru. I asked if they give any extra
> points for the severe winter logo, answer was no, not necessary
> as long as the tire is mud and snow and has good tread left.
>
>
>
> Approximately 10/22/03 17:29, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> > Hi Dave,
> > The Jeeps and 4X4 trucks in my clique were always waved through,
> > but that didn't stop us from chaining up, this picture of my Daughter,
> > now 33 taken at Mt. Palomar near Dome Lake:
> > http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
Thanks guys,
Dave
10-22-2003, 10:04 PM
#39
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Re: What tire chains to buy for my TJ? (ping san diego jeepers)
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:leGlb.938$ao4.3568@attbi_s51...
>
> Going over Donner, the CHP just takes a quick look and waves
> a ZJ with Michelin M+S thru. I asked if they give any extra
> points for the severe winter logo, answer was no, not necessary
> as long as the tire is mud and snow and has good tread left.
>
>
>
> Approximately 10/22/03 17:29, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> > Hi Dave,
> > The Jeeps and 4X4 trucks in my clique were always waved through,
> > but that didn't stop us from chaining up, this picture of my Daughter,
> > now 33 taken at Mt. Palomar near Dome Lake:
> > http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
Thanks guys,
Dave
10-22-2003, 10:04 PM
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Re: What tire chains to buy for my TJ? (ping san diego jeepers)
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:leGlb.938$ao4.3568@attbi_s51...
>
> Going over Donner, the CHP just takes a quick look and waves
> a ZJ with Michelin M+S thru. I asked if they give any extra
> points for the severe winter logo, answer was no, not necessary
> as long as the tire is mud and snow and has good tread left.
>
>
>
> Approximately 10/22/03 17:29, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> > Hi Dave,
> > The Jeeps and 4X4 trucks in my clique were always waved through,
> > but that didn't stop us from chaining up, this picture of my Daughter,
> > now 33 taken at Mt. Palomar near Dome Lake:
> > http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
Thanks guys,
Dave
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