what oil is recamended for 200k +
01-31-2006, 10:53 PM
#61
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: what oil is recamended for 200k +
You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
from below zero to 100f.
Jerry
billy ray wrote:
> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>
> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight is
> 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>
> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>
> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>
> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE ONLY
> MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT THE
> NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES OR
> BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW OF 25
> DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN 1953
> ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>
> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>
> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts failures?
> I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained motor in good
> condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>
> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor oil
> that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the vehicles
> of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics accreditation was
> based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>
> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure was
> to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM first
> started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring public and
> professionals by surprise as the trend was the other direction. The biggest
> seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and 20w-50 weights sales were
> rising. I personally believed in using straight 30 weight diesel oil
> (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean sludge from internal engine
> parts.
>
> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners of
> my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and protection
> for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my concern is that some
> oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin turbo Audi because 0w-30 was
> unavailable locally!
>
> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
> recommended?
>
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>
>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>
>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>
>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>
>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>
>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>
>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was a
>>>>>loud pop
>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>the cup
>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic (Mobile
>>>>>1).
>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
from below zero to 100f.
Jerry
billy ray wrote:
> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>
> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight is
> 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>
> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>
> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>
> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE ONLY
> MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT THE
> NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES OR
> BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW OF 25
> DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN 1953
> ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>
> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>
> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts failures?
> I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained motor in good
> condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>
> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor oil
> that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the vehicles
> of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics accreditation was
> based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>
> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure was
> to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM first
> started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring public and
> professionals by surprise as the trend was the other direction. The biggest
> seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and 20w-50 weights sales were
> rising. I personally believed in using straight 30 weight diesel oil
> (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean sludge from internal engine
> parts.
>
> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners of
> my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and protection
> for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my concern is that some
> oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin turbo Audi because 0w-30 was
> unavailable locally!
>
> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
> recommended?
>
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>
>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>
>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>
>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>
>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>
>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>
>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was a
>>>>>loud pop
>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>the cup
>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic (Mobile
>>>>>1).
>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
01-31-2006, 11:09 PM
#62
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: what oil is recamended for 200k +
Jerry,
Page 18 of Section 9( in PDF format) of my WJ manual is on the way to your
listed e-address
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> from below zero to 100f.
>
> Jerry
> billy ray wrote:
>> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>>
>> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
>> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight
>> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>>
>> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
>> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>>
>> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>>
>> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
>> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT
>> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES
>> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW
>> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
>> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
>> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
>> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
>> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>>
>> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
>> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>>
>> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
>> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
>> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>>
>> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
>> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
>> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
>> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>>
>> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
>> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
>> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
>> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
>> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
>> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
>> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean
>> sludge from internal engine parts.
>>
>> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
>> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
>> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
>> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
>> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
>> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
>>
>> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
>> recommended?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>>
>>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>>
>>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>>
>>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was
>>>>>>a loud pop
>>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>>the cup
>>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
>>>>>>(Mobile 1).
>>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
Page 18 of Section 9( in PDF format) of my WJ manual is on the way to your
listed e-address
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> from below zero to 100f.
>
> Jerry
> billy ray wrote:
>> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>>
>> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
>> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight
>> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>>
>> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
>> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>>
>> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>>
>> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
>> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT
>> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES
>> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW
>> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
>> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
>> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
>> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
>> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>>
>> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
>> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>>
>> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
>> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
>> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>>
>> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
>> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
>> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
>> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>>
>> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
>> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
>> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
>> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
>> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
>> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
>> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean
>> sludge from internal engine parts.
>>
>> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
>> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
>> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
>> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
>> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
>> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
>>
>> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
>> recommended?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>>
>>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>>
>>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>>
>>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was
>>>>>>a loud pop
>>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>>the cup
>>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
>>>>>>(Mobile 1).
>>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
01-31-2006, 11:09 PM
#63
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: what oil is recamended for 200k +
Jerry,
Page 18 of Section 9( in PDF format) of my WJ manual is on the way to your
listed e-address
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> from below zero to 100f.
>
> Jerry
> billy ray wrote:
>> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>>
>> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
>> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight
>> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>>
>> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
>> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>>
>> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>>
>> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
>> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT
>> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES
>> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW
>> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
>> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
>> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
>> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
>> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>>
>> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
>> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>>
>> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
>> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
>> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>>
>> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
>> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
>> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
>> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>>
>> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
>> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
>> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
>> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
>> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
>> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
>> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean
>> sludge from internal engine parts.
>>
>> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
>> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
>> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
>> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
>> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
>> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
>>
>> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
>> recommended?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>>
>>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>>
>>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>>
>>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was
>>>>>>a loud pop
>>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>>the cup
>>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
>>>>>>(Mobile 1).
>>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
Page 18 of Section 9( in PDF format) of my WJ manual is on the way to your
listed e-address
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> from below zero to 100f.
>
> Jerry
> billy ray wrote:
>> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>>
>> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
>> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight
>> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>>
>> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
>> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>>
>> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>>
>> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
>> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT
>> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES
>> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW
>> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
>> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
>> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
>> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
>> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>>
>> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
>> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>>
>> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
>> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
>> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>>
>> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
>> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
>> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
>> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>>
>> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
>> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
>> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
>> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
>> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
>> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
>> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean
>> sludge from internal engine parts.
>>
>> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
>> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
>> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
>> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
>> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
>> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
>>
>> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
>> recommended?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>>
>>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>>
>>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>>
>>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was
>>>>>>a loud pop
>>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>>the cup
>>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
>>>>>>(Mobile 1).
>>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
01-31-2006, 11:09 PM
#64
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: what oil is recamended for 200k +
Jerry,
Page 18 of Section 9( in PDF format) of my WJ manual is on the way to your
listed e-address
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> from below zero to 100f.
>
> Jerry
> billy ray wrote:
>> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>>
>> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
>> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight
>> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>>
>> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
>> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>>
>> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>>
>> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
>> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT
>> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES
>> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW
>> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
>> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
>> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
>> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
>> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>>
>> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
>> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>>
>> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
>> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
>> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>>
>> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
>> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
>> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
>> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>>
>> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
>> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
>> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
>> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
>> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
>> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
>> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean
>> sludge from internal engine parts.
>>
>> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
>> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
>> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
>> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
>> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
>> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
>>
>> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
>> recommended?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>>
>>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>>
>>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>>
>>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was
>>>>>>a loud pop
>>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>>the cup
>>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
>>>>>>(Mobile 1).
>>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
Page 18 of Section 9( in PDF format) of my WJ manual is on the way to your
listed e-address
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> from below zero to 100f.
>
> Jerry
> billy ray wrote:
>> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>>
>> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
>> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight
>> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>>
>> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
>> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>>
>> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>>
>> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
>> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT
>> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES
>> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW
>> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
>> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
>> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
>> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
>> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>>
>> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
>> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>>
>> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
>> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
>> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>>
>> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
>> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
>> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
>> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>>
>> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
>> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
>> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
>> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
>> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
>> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
>> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean
>> sludge from internal engine parts.
>>
>> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
>> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
>> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
>> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
>> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
>> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
>>
>> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
>> recommended?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>>
>>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>>
>>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>>
>>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was
>>>>>>a loud pop
>>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>>the cup
>>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
>>>>>>(Mobile 1).
>>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
01-31-2006, 11:21 PM
#65
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: what oil is recamended for 200k +
Actually Jerry is correct as far as his vehicle (with the 4.7 liter engine)
is concerned.
That being said the OP does not have a 4.7 liter engine.
If we want to post criteria for engines other than the one in question I
will state positively that my lawn mower calls for straight 30 weight engine
oil and my snow blower uses 10w-30 motor oil.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> from below zero to 100f.
>
> Jerry
> billy ray wrote:
>> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>>
>> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
>> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight
>> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>>
>> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
>> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>>
>> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>>
>> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
>> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT
>> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES
>> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW
>> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
>> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
>> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
>> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
>> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>>
>> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
>> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>>
>> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
>> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
>> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>>
>> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
>> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
>> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
>> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>>
>> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
>> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
>> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
>> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
>> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
>> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
>> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean
>> sludge from internal engine parts.
>>
>> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
>> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
>> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
>> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
>> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
>> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
>>
>> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
>> recommended?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>>
>>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>>
>>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>>
>>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was
>>>>>>a loud pop
>>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>>the cup
>>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
>>>>>>(Mobile 1).
>>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
is concerned.
That being said the OP does not have a 4.7 liter engine.
If we want to post criteria for engines other than the one in question I
will state positively that my lawn mower calls for straight 30 weight engine
oil and my snow blower uses 10w-30 motor oil.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> from below zero to 100f.
>
> Jerry
> billy ray wrote:
>> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>>
>> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
>> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight
>> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>>
>> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
>> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>>
>> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>>
>> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
>> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT
>> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES
>> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW
>> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
>> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
>> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
>> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
>> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>>
>> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
>> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>>
>> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
>> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
>> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>>
>> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
>> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
>> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
>> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>>
>> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
>> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
>> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
>> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
>> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
>> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
>> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean
>> sludge from internal engine parts.
>>
>> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
>> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
>> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
>> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
>> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
>> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
>>
>> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
>> recommended?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>>
>>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>>
>>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>>
>>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was
>>>>>>a loud pop
>>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>>the cup
>>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
>>>>>>(Mobile 1).
>>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
01-31-2006, 11:21 PM
#66
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: what oil is recamended for 200k +
Actually Jerry is correct as far as his vehicle (with the 4.7 liter engine)
is concerned.
That being said the OP does not have a 4.7 liter engine.
If we want to post criteria for engines other than the one in question I
will state positively that my lawn mower calls for straight 30 weight engine
oil and my snow blower uses 10w-30 motor oil.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> from below zero to 100f.
>
> Jerry
> billy ray wrote:
>> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>>
>> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
>> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight
>> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>>
>> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
>> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>>
>> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>>
>> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
>> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT
>> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES
>> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW
>> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
>> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
>> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
>> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
>> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>>
>> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
>> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>>
>> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
>> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
>> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>>
>> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
>> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
>> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
>> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>>
>> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
>> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
>> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
>> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
>> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
>> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
>> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean
>> sludge from internal engine parts.
>>
>> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
>> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
>> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
>> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
>> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
>> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
>>
>> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
>> recommended?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>>
>>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>>
>>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>>
>>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was
>>>>>>a loud pop
>>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>>the cup
>>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
>>>>>>(Mobile 1).
>>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
is concerned.
That being said the OP does not have a 4.7 liter engine.
If we want to post criteria for engines other than the one in question I
will state positively that my lawn mower calls for straight 30 weight engine
oil and my snow blower uses 10w-30 motor oil.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> from below zero to 100f.
>
> Jerry
> billy ray wrote:
>> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>>
>> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
>> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight
>> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>>
>> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
>> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>>
>> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>>
>> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
>> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT
>> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES
>> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW
>> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
>> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
>> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
>> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
>> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>>
>> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
>> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>>
>> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
>> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
>> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>>
>> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
>> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
>> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
>> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>>
>> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
>> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
>> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
>> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
>> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
>> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
>> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean
>> sludge from internal engine parts.
>>
>> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
>> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
>> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
>> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
>> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
>> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
>>
>> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
>> recommended?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>>
>>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>>
>>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>>
>>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was
>>>>>>a loud pop
>>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>>the cup
>>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
>>>>>>(Mobile 1).
>>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
01-31-2006, 11:21 PM
#67
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: what oil is recamended for 200k +
Actually Jerry is correct as far as his vehicle (with the 4.7 liter engine)
is concerned.
That being said the OP does not have a 4.7 liter engine.
If we want to post criteria for engines other than the one in question I
will state positively that my lawn mower calls for straight 30 weight engine
oil and my snow blower uses 10w-30 motor oil.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> from below zero to 100f.
>
> Jerry
> billy ray wrote:
>> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>>
>> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
>> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight
>> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>>
>> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
>> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>>
>> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>>
>> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
>> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT
>> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES
>> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW
>> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
>> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
>> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
>> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
>> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>>
>> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
>> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>>
>> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
>> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
>> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>>
>> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
>> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
>> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
>> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>>
>> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
>> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
>> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
>> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
>> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
>> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
>> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean
>> sludge from internal engine parts.
>>
>> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
>> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
>> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
>> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
>> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
>> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
>>
>> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
>> recommended?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>>
>>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>>
>>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>>
>>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was
>>>>>>a loud pop
>>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>>the cup
>>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
>>>>>>(Mobile 1).
>>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
is concerned.
That being said the OP does not have a 4.7 liter engine.
If we want to post criteria for engines other than the one in question I
will state positively that my lawn mower calls for straight 30 weight engine
oil and my snow blower uses 10w-30 motor oil.
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> from below zero to 100f.
>
> Jerry
> billy ray wrote:
>> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
>>
>> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use 5w-30
>> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred" weight
>> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
>>
>> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
>> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
>>
>> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
>>
>> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
>> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED AT
>> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32 DEGREES
>> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE LOW
>> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
>> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES, THE
>> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME READINGS
>> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
>> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
>>
>> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use of
>> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
>>
>> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
>> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
>> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight oil?
>>
>> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
>> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
>> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
>> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
>>
>> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
>> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
>> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
>> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
>> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
>> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
>> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to clean
>> sludge from internal engine parts.
>>
>> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
>> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics, contain
>> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
>> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
>> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
>> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
>>
>> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner than
>> recommended?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
>>
>>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable oil
>>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
>>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically could
>>>>void the engine warranty?
>>>>
>>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
>>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
>>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
>>>>
>>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
>>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
>>>>
>>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
>>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
>>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
>>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vito wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
>>>>>>Ford (350C
>>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there was
>>>>>>a loud pop
>>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
>>>>>>hydraulic
>>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out of
>>>>>>the cup
>>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
>>>>>>(Mobile 1).
>>>>>>Not any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-01-2006, 02:43 AM
#68
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: what oil is recamended for 200k +
Everything I have uses 10W30, except for the chain saw, the lawn motor, the
string trimmer, and the Honda Civic. I converted the Toyota Land Cruiser
some years ago, and it seems to thrive on it.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:9088e$43e037d6$4831b233$794@FUSE.NET...
> Actually Jerry is correct as far as his vehicle (with the 4.7 liter
engine)
> is concerned.
>
> That being said the OP does not have a 4.7 liter engine.
>
> If we want to post criteria for engines other than the one in question I
> will state positively that my lawn mower calls for straight 30 weight
engine
> oil and my snow blower uses 10w-30 motor oil.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> > You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> > engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> > from below zero to 100f.
> >
> > Jerry
> > billy ray wrote:
> >> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
> >>
> >> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use
5w-30
> >> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred"
weight
> >> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
> >>
> >> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
> >> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
> >>
> >> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
> >>
> >> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
> >> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED
AT
> >> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32
DEGREES
> >> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE
LOW
> >> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
> >> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES,
THE
> >> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME
READINGS
> >> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
> >> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
> >>
> >> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use
of
> >> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
> >>
> >> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
> >> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
> >> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight
oil?
> >>
> >> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
> >> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
> >> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
> >> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
> >>
> >> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
> >> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
> >> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
> >> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
> >> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
> >> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
> >> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to
clean
> >> sludge from internal engine parts.
> >>
> >> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
> >> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics,
contain
> >> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
> >> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
> >> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
> >> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
> >>
> >> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner
than
> >> recommended?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
> >>
> >>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable
oil
> >>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
> >>>
> >>>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically
could
> >>>>void the engine warranty?
> >>>>
> >>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
> >>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
> >>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
> >>>>
> >>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
> >>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
> >>>>
> >>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
> >>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
> >>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
> >>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Vito wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
> >>>>>>Ford (350C
> >>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there
was
> >>>>>>a loud pop
> >>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
> >>>>>>hydraulic
> >>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out
of
> >>>>>>the cup
> >>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
> >>>>>>(Mobile 1).
> >>>>>>Not any more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
string trimmer, and the Honda Civic. I converted the Toyota Land Cruiser
some years ago, and it seems to thrive on it.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:9088e$43e037d6$4831b233$794@FUSE.NET...
> Actually Jerry is correct as far as his vehicle (with the 4.7 liter
engine)
> is concerned.
>
> That being said the OP does not have a 4.7 liter engine.
>
> If we want to post criteria for engines other than the one in question I
> will state positively that my lawn mower calls for straight 30 weight
engine
> oil and my snow blower uses 10w-30 motor oil.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> > You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> > engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> > from below zero to 100f.
> >
> > Jerry
> > billy ray wrote:
> >> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
> >>
> >> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use
5w-30
> >> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred"
weight
> >> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
> >>
> >> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
> >> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
> >>
> >> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
> >>
> >> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
> >> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED
AT
> >> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32
DEGREES
> >> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE
LOW
> >> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
> >> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES,
THE
> >> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME
READINGS
> >> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
> >> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
> >>
> >> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use
of
> >> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
> >>
> >> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
> >> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
> >> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight
oil?
> >>
> >> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
> >> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
> >> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
> >> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
> >>
> >> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
> >> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
> >> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
> >> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
> >> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
> >> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
> >> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to
clean
> >> sludge from internal engine parts.
> >>
> >> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
> >> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics,
contain
> >> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
> >> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
> >> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
> >> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
> >>
> >> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner
than
> >> recommended?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
> >>
> >>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable
oil
> >>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
> >>>
> >>>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically
could
> >>>>void the engine warranty?
> >>>>
> >>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
> >>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
> >>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
> >>>>
> >>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
> >>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
> >>>>
> >>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
> >>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
> >>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
> >>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Vito wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
> >>>>>>Ford (350C
> >>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there
was
> >>>>>>a loud pop
> >>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
> >>>>>>hydraulic
> >>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out
of
> >>>>>>the cup
> >>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
> >>>>>>(Mobile 1).
> >>>>>>Not any more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
02-01-2006, 02:43 AM
#69
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: what oil is recamended for 200k +
Everything I have uses 10W30, except for the chain saw, the lawn motor, the
string trimmer, and the Honda Civic. I converted the Toyota Land Cruiser
some years ago, and it seems to thrive on it.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:9088e$43e037d6$4831b233$794@FUSE.NET...
> Actually Jerry is correct as far as his vehicle (with the 4.7 liter
engine)
> is concerned.
>
> That being said the OP does not have a 4.7 liter engine.
>
> If we want to post criteria for engines other than the one in question I
> will state positively that my lawn mower calls for straight 30 weight
engine
> oil and my snow blower uses 10w-30 motor oil.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> > You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> > engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> > from below zero to 100f.
> >
> > Jerry
> > billy ray wrote:
> >> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
> >>
> >> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use
5w-30
> >> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred"
weight
> >> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
> >>
> >> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
> >> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
> >>
> >> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
> >>
> >> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
> >> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED
AT
> >> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32
DEGREES
> >> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE
LOW
> >> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
> >> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES,
THE
> >> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME
READINGS
> >> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
> >> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
> >>
> >> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use
of
> >> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
> >>
> >> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
> >> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
> >> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight
oil?
> >>
> >> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
> >> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
> >> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
> >> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
> >>
> >> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
> >> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
> >> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
> >> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
> >> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
> >> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
> >> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to
clean
> >> sludge from internal engine parts.
> >>
> >> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
> >> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics,
contain
> >> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
> >> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
> >> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
> >> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
> >>
> >> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner
than
> >> recommended?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
> >>
> >>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable
oil
> >>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
> >>>
> >>>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically
could
> >>>>void the engine warranty?
> >>>>
> >>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
> >>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
> >>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
> >>>>
> >>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
> >>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
> >>>>
> >>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
> >>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
> >>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
> >>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Vito wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
> >>>>>>Ford (350C
> >>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there
was
> >>>>>>a loud pop
> >>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
> >>>>>>hydraulic
> >>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out
of
> >>>>>>the cup
> >>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
> >>>>>>(Mobile 1).
> >>>>>>Not any more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
string trimmer, and the Honda Civic. I converted the Toyota Land Cruiser
some years ago, and it seems to thrive on it.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:9088e$43e037d6$4831b233$794@FUSE.NET...
> Actually Jerry is correct as far as his vehicle (with the 4.7 liter
engine)
> is concerned.
>
> That being said the OP does not have a 4.7 liter engine.
>
> If we want to post criteria for engines other than the one in question I
> will state positively that my lawn mower calls for straight 30 weight
engine
> oil and my snow blower uses 10w-30 motor oil.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> > You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> > engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> > from below zero to 100f.
> >
> > Jerry
> > billy ray wrote:
> >> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
> >>
> >> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use
5w-30
> >> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred"
weight
> >> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
> >>
> >> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
> >> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
> >>
> >> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
> >>
> >> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
> >> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED
AT
> >> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32
DEGREES
> >> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE
LOW
> >> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
> >> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES,
THE
> >> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME
READINGS
> >> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
> >> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
> >>
> >> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use
of
> >> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
> >>
> >> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
> >> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
> >> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight
oil?
> >>
> >> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
> >> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
> >> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
> >> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
> >>
> >> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
> >> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
> >> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
> >> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
> >> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
> >> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
> >> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to
clean
> >> sludge from internal engine parts.
> >>
> >> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
> >> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics,
contain
> >> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
> >> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
> >> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
> >> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
> >>
> >> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner
than
> >> recommended?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
> >>
> >>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable
oil
> >>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
> >>>
> >>>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically
could
> >>>>void the engine warranty?
> >>>>
> >>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
> >>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
> >>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
> >>>>
> >>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
> >>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
> >>>>
> >>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
> >>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
> >>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
> >>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Vito wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
> >>>>>>Ford (350C
> >>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there
was
> >>>>>>a loud pop
> >>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
> >>>>>>hydraulic
> >>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out
of
> >>>>>>the cup
> >>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
> >>>>>>(Mobile 1).
> >>>>>>Not any more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
02-01-2006, 02:43 AM
#70
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: what oil is recamended for 200k +
Everything I have uses 10W30, except for the chain saw, the lawn motor, the
string trimmer, and the Honda Civic. I converted the Toyota Land Cruiser
some years ago, and it seems to thrive on it.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:9088e$43e037d6$4831b233$794@FUSE.NET...
> Actually Jerry is correct as far as his vehicle (with the 4.7 liter
engine)
> is concerned.
>
> That being said the OP does not have a 4.7 liter engine.
>
> If we want to post criteria for engines other than the one in question I
> will state positively that my lawn mower calls for straight 30 weight
engine
> oil and my snow blower uses 10w-30 motor oil.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> > You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> > engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> > from below zero to 100f.
> >
> > Jerry
> > billy ray wrote:
> >> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
> >>
> >> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use
5w-30
> >> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred"
weight
> >> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
> >>
> >> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
> >> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
> >>
> >> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
> >>
> >> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
> >> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED
AT
> >> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32
DEGREES
> >> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE
LOW
> >> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
> >> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES,
THE
> >> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME
READINGS
> >> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
> >> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
> >>
> >> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use
of
> >> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
> >>
> >> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
> >> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
> >> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight
oil?
> >>
> >> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
> >> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
> >> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
> >> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
> >>
> >> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
> >> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
> >> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
> >> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
> >> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
> >> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
> >> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to
clean
> >> sludge from internal engine parts.
> >>
> >> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
> >> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics,
contain
> >> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
> >> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
> >> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
> >> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
> >>
> >> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner
than
> >> recommended?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
> >>
> >>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable
oil
> >>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
> >>>
> >>>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically
could
> >>>>void the engine warranty?
> >>>>
> >>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
> >>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
> >>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
> >>>>
> >>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
> >>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
> >>>>
> >>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
> >>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
> >>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
> >>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Vito wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
> >>>>>>Ford (350C
> >>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there
was
> >>>>>>a loud pop
> >>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
> >>>>>>hydraulic
> >>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out
of
> >>>>>>the cup
> >>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
> >>>>>>(Mobile 1).
> >>>>>>Not any more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
string trimmer, and the Honda Civic. I converted the Toyota Land Cruiser
some years ago, and it seems to thrive on it.
Earle
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:9088e$43e037d6$4831b233$794@FUSE.NET...
> Actually Jerry is correct as far as his vehicle (with the 4.7 liter
engine)
> is concerned.
>
> That being said the OP does not have a 4.7 liter engine.
>
> If we want to post criteria for engines other than the one in question I
> will state positively that my lawn mower calls for straight 30 weight
engine
> oil and my snow blower uses 10w-30 motor oil.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:ngWDf.55014$V.47957@fed1read04...
> > You better re-read your WJ owner's manual. For my 2002 WJ with the 4.7L
> > engine, I just re-verified that the owners manual says 5W-30 can be used
> > from below zero to 100f.
> >
> > Jerry
> > billy ray wrote:
> >> Please define "Temperate Conditions".
> >>
> >> My XJ manual and my WJ manual clearly indicate with a chart to use
5w-30
> >> ONLY when the weather is below freezing (32F) and the "Preferred"
weight
> >> is 10w-30 for weather at 0F and above.
> >>
> >> That being said the OP lives in San Diego. I will quote from the NOAA
> >> http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/climate/san-san-month.htm
> >>
> >> " JANUARY WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO
> >>
> >> JANUARY IS USUALLY THE COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR IN SAN DIEGO AND THE
> >> ONLY MONTH WHEN TEMPERATURES BELOW THE FREEZING POINT WERE EXPERIENCED
AT
> >> THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. ONLY ON 9 DAYS HAS A READING OF 32
DEGREES
> >> OR BELOW BEEN RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN 1872 WITH THE ABSOLUTE
LOW
> >> OF 25 DEGREES ON JANUARY 7,
> >> 1913. THE AVERAGE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH IS 48.9 DEGREES,
THE
> >> AVERAGE MAXIMUM 65.9 DEGREES AND THE MEAN 57.4 DEGREES. DAYTIME
READINGS
> >> OFTEN REACH 70 DEGREES AND OCCASIONALLY 80 DEGREES AND ON JANUARY 10 IN
> >> 1953 ROSE TO A HIGH OF 88 DEGREES."
> >>
> >> In the past 134 years there have been a total of 9 days where the use
of
> >> 5w-30 would be in the allowed range.
> >>
> >> Will lower weight (5w vs. 10w) multi-viscosity oil lead to parts
> >> failures? I don't know and I doubt it would in a properly maintained
> >> motor in good condition but why intentionally use an improper weight
oil?
> >>
> >> It took me a long time to change from my belief that in regard to motor
> >> oil that thicker was better. I am sure that is based on my age and the
> >> vehicles of that era. I am from the pre-ASE era, my mechanics
> >> accreditation was based on written and practical exam from Chrysler.
> >>
> >> The first step for oil burning, consumption, leaking, and low pressure
> >> was to use thicker oil as that usually "cured" the problem. When GM
> >> first started recommending 5w-30 oil in the 80s it took the motoring
> >> public and professionals by surprise as the trend was the other
> >> direction. The biggest seller by far was 10w-40 and the 15w-40 and
> >> 20w-50 weights sales were rising. I personally believed in using
> >> straight 30 weight diesel oil (Pennzoil Series 3) in the summer to
clean
> >> sludge from internal engine parts.
> >>
> >> This is, however, all historic information jumbled in the dusty corners
> >> of my memory. Newer automobile oils, especially the synthetics,
contain
> >> detergents that actually work and offer superior lubrication and
> >> protection for engine parts. In regard to specific applications my
> >> concern is that some oils may be too thick. I used 5w-30 in my twin
> >> turbo Audi because 0w-30 was unavailable locally!
> >>
> >> As mentioned above.... why specifically choose to use an oil thinner
than
> >> recommended?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:gBMDf.54991$V.41970@fed1read04...
> >>
> >>>Mike, my TJ's owners manual specifically includes 5W-30 as a suitable
oil
> >>>for even temperate conditions in addition to the usual 10W-30. :)
> >>>
> >>>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I don't understand why you folks would use an oil that technically
could
> >>>>void the engine warranty?
> >>>>
> >>>>If the book calls for 10W30, then using 5W30 is just plain asking for
> >>>>trouble and extra wear due to the thin oil not lubricating or 'staying
> >>>>in' the gaps between friction surfaces.
> >>>>
> >>>>I can see the difference in my mechanical oil pressure gauge when thin
> >>>>oil is used or my oil gets old and thin.
> >>>>
> >>>>I used 5W30 once because I got a 'deal' on it. I very quickly changed
> >>>>it back to the proper oil because the pressure was over 5 psi lower on
> >>>>the highway and especially at idle, it dived really low when hot.
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jerry Bransford
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>A long talk with a Mobil Oil engineer at a trade show cured a similar
> >>>>>long-standing fear I had of 5W-30.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Vito wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>"jeepney driver via CarKB.com" <u17884@uwe> wrote
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>i'm using mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil .....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I'm spookey of 5w-30 in anything but sub-zero weather.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Returning from Long Beach to San Diego one hot afternoon I parked my
> >>>>>>Ford (350C
> >>>>>>motor) for the night. The next AM it turned over a rev then there
was
> >>>>>>a loud pop
> >>>>>>and it began running on 6 cylinders. Investigation showed that two
> >>>>>>hydraulic
> >>>>>>lifters had collapsed over night allowing the push rods to come out
of
> >>>>>>the cup
> >>>>>>when the motor was cranked. Like you I was using 5w-30 synthetic
> >>>>>>(Mobile 1).
> >>>>>>Not any more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>