Dave Milne

that came into effect here in the last year I believe.

Dave Milne, Scotland

"Ed J." <ej_000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hn8900laj87aj1dsf4c363cesgk62ensm1@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 Jeepster wrote:
> I just heard a story on the radio this week that some organization
> representing independent shops is lobbying congress to require auto
> makers to provide diagnostic information, schematics, etc to
> independent shops. That would be a good thing, so it'll probably never
> happen.

Dave Milne

that came into effect here in the last year I believe.

Dave Milne, Scotland

"Ed J." <ej_000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hn8900laj87aj1dsf4c363cesgk62ensm1@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 Jeepster wrote:
> I just heard a story on the radio this week that some organization
> representing independent shops is lobbying congress to require auto
> makers to provide diagnostic information, schematics, etc to
> independent shops. That would be a good thing, so it'll probably never
> happen.

Dave Milne

Fair point, but most of the time my Jeep justs needs the odd splinter
removing :-)

Over here we have a huge dealer parts problem - the prices that dealers
charge for parts is much greater than you pay. For example, I was asked for
450 bucks for a steering wheel and 350 bucks for cruise control. I got the
cruise control for 220 bucks from Jeepsareus.com inc p&p. Consequently, if
you read any write up of any Jeep product in a magazine, it usually goes
"Horrendous running price of spares". This might explain why I see a
Wrangler every other month on the road, and see more Ferraris than
Wranglers. I suspect DCs policy might have something to do with this.

A Sahara given todays exchange rate costs 34132 USD.

Dave Milne

"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:400499e0$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net...
> I think it goes both ways, Dave. Every day, there are cars that come to
my
> dealership that were referred by the corner garage. The story is always
the
> same: "My mechanic says he doesn't know what he is doing with this, told
me
> to take it to the dealer."
>
> Who could be more qualified to work on a specific model of vehicle than a
> guy who works on nothing but that model for eight hours every day? If you
> needed brain surgery, it stands to reason that you would want to be
operated
> on by someone that does it daily, not a doctor that operates on feet, and
> stomachs, and bungholes.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:2W_Mb.15015$E_.165496064@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Possibly, but the fact remains that every day they turn away business to
> > cheaper mechanics who do a better job..
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>
>

Dave Milne

Fair point, but most of the time my Jeep justs needs the odd splinter
removing :-)

Over here we have a huge dealer parts problem - the prices that dealers
charge for parts is much greater than you pay. For example, I was asked for
450 bucks for a steering wheel and 350 bucks for cruise control. I got the
cruise control for 220 bucks from Jeepsareus.com inc p&p. Consequently, if
you read any write up of any Jeep product in a magazine, it usually goes
"Horrendous running price of spares". This might explain why I see a
Wrangler every other month on the road, and see more Ferraris than
Wranglers. I suspect DCs policy might have something to do with this.

A Sahara given todays exchange rate costs 34132 USD.

Dave Milne

"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:400499e0$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net...
> I think it goes both ways, Dave. Every day, there are cars that come to
my
> dealership that were referred by the corner garage. The story is always
the
> same: "My mechanic says he doesn't know what he is doing with this, told
me
> to take it to the dealer."
>
> Who could be more qualified to work on a specific model of vehicle than a
> guy who works on nothing but that model for eight hours every day? If you
> needed brain surgery, it stands to reason that you would want to be
operated
> on by someone that does it daily, not a doctor that operates on feet, and
> stomachs, and bungholes.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:2W_Mb.15015$E_.165496064@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Possibly, but the fact remains that every day they turn away business to
> > cheaper mechanics who do a better job..
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>
>

Dave Milne

Fair point, but most of the time my Jeep justs needs the odd splinter
removing :-)

Over here we have a huge dealer parts problem - the prices that dealers
charge for parts is much greater than you pay. For example, I was asked for
450 bucks for a steering wheel and 350 bucks for cruise control. I got the
cruise control for 220 bucks from Jeepsareus.com inc p&p. Consequently, if
you read any write up of any Jeep product in a magazine, it usually goes
"Horrendous running price of spares". This might explain why I see a
Wrangler every other month on the road, and see more Ferraris than
Wranglers. I suspect DCs policy might have something to do with this.

A Sahara given todays exchange rate costs 34132 USD.

Dave Milne

"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
news:400499e0$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net...
> I think it goes both ways, Dave. Every day, there are cars that come to
my
> dealership that were referred by the corner garage. The story is always
the
> same: "My mechanic says he doesn't know what he is doing with this, told
me
> to take it to the dealer."
>
> Who could be more qualified to work on a specific model of vehicle than a
> guy who works on nothing but that model for eight hours every day? If you
> needed brain surgery, it stands to reason that you would want to be
operated
> on by someone that does it daily, not a doctor that operates on feet, and
> stomachs, and bungholes.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:2W_Mb.15015$E_.165496064@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Possibly, but the fact remains that every day they turn away business to
> > cheaper mechanics who do a better job..
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>
>

Old Crow

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:31:21 -0800, "William Oliveri"
<wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote:

>Hi all,
> I've recently been wondering, I've taken my jeep to a business where they
>charge 75.00 per hour for the mechanic's labor. I'm curious what take does
>the mechanic get from that charge? I guess the business owner probably has
>to pay various things to have the mechanic work there so I'm sure he's not
>getting the full 75.00. Anyone who's a mechanic or anyone who knows please
>feel free to respond.

Our shop rate is $70 an hour. My cut of that $70 is $18.
I pay my own health ins.
I pay my own uniforms,
And of course I pay my own tool bill. (the average box in our shop is
worth in excess of $25,000)
The shop supplies compressed air, stalls to work in, a couple of
lifts, lights and heat.
I drive a '95 YJ(165,000 miles),my wife drives a '93 XJ(167,000
miles), and my boss and his wife both drive BMW's.

--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

Old Crow

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:31:21 -0800, "William Oliveri"
<wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote:

>Hi all,
> I've recently been wondering, I've taken my jeep to a business where they
>charge 75.00 per hour for the mechanic's labor. I'm curious what take does
>the mechanic get from that charge? I guess the business owner probably has
>to pay various things to have the mechanic work there so I'm sure he's not
>getting the full 75.00. Anyone who's a mechanic or anyone who knows please
>feel free to respond.

Our shop rate is $70 an hour. My cut of that $70 is $18.
I pay my own health ins.
I pay my own uniforms,
And of course I pay my own tool bill. (the average box in our shop is
worth in excess of $25,000)
The shop supplies compressed air, stalls to work in, a couple of
lifts, lights and heat.
I drive a '95 YJ(165,000 miles),my wife drives a '93 XJ(167,000
miles), and my boss and his wife both drive BMW's.

--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

Old Crow

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:31:21 -0800, "William Oliveri"
<wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote:

>Hi all,
> I've recently been wondering, I've taken my jeep to a business where they
>charge 75.00 per hour for the mechanic's labor. I'm curious what take does
>the mechanic get from that charge? I guess the business owner probably has
>to pay various things to have the mechanic work there so I'm sure he's not
>getting the full 75.00. Anyone who's a mechanic or anyone who knows please
>feel free to respond.

Our shop rate is $70 an hour. My cut of that $70 is $18.
I pay my own health ins.
I pay my own uniforms,
And of course I pay my own tool bill. (the average box in our shop is
worth in excess of $25,000)
The shop supplies compressed air, stalls to work in, a couple of
lifts, lights and heat.
I drive a '95 YJ(165,000 miles),my wife drives a '93 XJ(167,000
miles), and my boss and his wife both drive BMW's.

--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

Old Crow

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:43:03 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
>news:4004a4f7_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
>> They don't "do it because they can", Nathan.
>
>ive seen far to many examples of dealership abuse to buy any dealership sob
>stories about overhead and expenses. a large portion of the expense may be
>justified, but a lot of it goes to pay for dealership inefficiency and
>ineptness.

I've got news for you Nate. If I screw up a car at my shop because I
don't know what I'm doing, or make an honest mistake, I get to fix the
comeback for free.
Usually, in the dealerships I've worked at for the last 20 years, the
inefficiency and ineptness are confined to the departments on the
other side of two doors...the one to the parts dept. and the one
leading to the showroom.
You can't blame the guys in the blue shirts for the lies that the
dude in the suit told you.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

Old Crow

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:43:03 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
>news:4004a4f7_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
>> They don't "do it because they can", Nathan.
>
>ive seen far to many examples of dealership abuse to buy any dealership sob
>stories about overhead and expenses. a large portion of the expense may be
>justified, but a lot of it goes to pay for dealership inefficiency and
>ineptness.

I've got news for you Nate. If I screw up a car at my shop because I
don't know what I'm doing, or make an honest mistake, I get to fix the
comeback for free.
Usually, in the dealerships I've worked at for the last 20 years, the
inefficiency and ineptness are confined to the departments on the
other side of two doors...the one to the parts dept. and the one
leading to the showroom.
You can't blame the guys in the blue shirts for the lies that the
dude in the suit told you.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51