What does the Mechanic get
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Re: What does the Mechanic get
Del Rawlins wrote:
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> In <8ZtVb.2477$PY.1345@newssvr26.news.prodigy.com> dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
> > I will add that mic canic probably has the experience AND tools to do
> > that 3 hour job in 1/3 of the time.
>
> When he isn't screwing his customers by getting the dealer to void their
> warranty.
>
Or telling them that recalls aren't valid because their Jeep is too
old...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> In <8ZtVb.2477$PY.1345@newssvr26.news.prodigy.com> dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
> > I will add that mic canic probably has the experience AND tools to do
> > that 3 hour job in 1/3 of the time.
>
> When he isn't screwing his customers by getting the dealer to void their
> warranty.
>
Or telling them that recalls aren't valid because their Jeep is too
old...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: What does the Mechanic get
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <8ZtVb.2477$PY.1345@newssvr26.news.prodigy.com> dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
> > I will add that mic canic probably has the experience AND tools to do
> > that 3 hour job in 1/3 of the time.
>
> When he isn't screwing his customers by getting the dealer to void their
> warranty.
>
Or telling them that recalls aren't valid because their Jeep is too
old...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> In <8ZtVb.2477$PY.1345@newssvr26.news.prodigy.com> dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
> > I will add that mic canic probably has the experience AND tools to do
> > that 3 hour job in 1/3 of the time.
>
> When he isn't screwing his customers by getting the dealer to void their
> warranty.
>
Or telling them that recalls aren't valid because their Jeep is too
old...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: What does the Mechanic get-abused by the customer
Experience--that is that little factor that is acquired by expending a lot
of time, effort and lost income.
You are, in all cases, paying for what the "mic canic" knows as well as for
what the "mic canic" does. Those tools you talk about. The "mic canic" has
to purchase them also. A fair, size and quality, top and bottom box, the
minimum needed to work in the field today, runs in the range of $2,500. The
technician is not screwing the customer-and the dealer can not void a
factory warranty. Warranties are usually restricted by the actions of the
owner/operator by their conscious non-performance of maintenance or
performing un-authorized modifications to the vehicle in direct conflict
with the agreed to warranty contract between the Owner and the Manufacturer.
of time, effort and lost income.
You are, in all cases, paying for what the "mic canic" knows as well as for
what the "mic canic" does. Those tools you talk about. The "mic canic" has
to purchase them also. A fair, size and quality, top and bottom box, the
minimum needed to work in the field today, runs in the range of $2,500. The
technician is not screwing the customer-and the dealer can not void a
factory warranty. Warranties are usually restricted by the actions of the
owner/operator by their conscious non-performance of maintenance or
performing un-authorized modifications to the vehicle in direct conflict
with the agreed to warranty contract between the Owner and the Manufacturer.
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Re: What does the Mechanic get-abused by the customer
Experience--that is that little factor that is acquired by expending a lot
of time, effort and lost income.
You are, in all cases, paying for what the "mic canic" knows as well as for
what the "mic canic" does. Those tools you talk about. The "mic canic" has
to purchase them also. A fair, size and quality, top and bottom box, the
minimum needed to work in the field today, runs in the range of $2,500. The
technician is not screwing the customer-and the dealer can not void a
factory warranty. Warranties are usually restricted by the actions of the
owner/operator by their conscious non-performance of maintenance or
performing un-authorized modifications to the vehicle in direct conflict
with the agreed to warranty contract between the Owner and the Manufacturer.
of time, effort and lost income.
You are, in all cases, paying for what the "mic canic" knows as well as for
what the "mic canic" does. Those tools you talk about. The "mic canic" has
to purchase them also. A fair, size and quality, top and bottom box, the
minimum needed to work in the field today, runs in the range of $2,500. The
technician is not screwing the customer-and the dealer can not void a
factory warranty. Warranties are usually restricted by the actions of the
owner/operator by their conscious non-performance of maintenance or
performing un-authorized modifications to the vehicle in direct conflict
with the agreed to warranty contract between the Owner and the Manufacturer.
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Re: What does the Mechanic get-abused by the customer
Experience--that is that little factor that is acquired by expending a lot
of time, effort and lost income.
You are, in all cases, paying for what the "mic canic" knows as well as for
what the "mic canic" does. Those tools you talk about. The "mic canic" has
to purchase them also. A fair, size and quality, top and bottom box, the
minimum needed to work in the field today, runs in the range of $2,500. The
technician is not screwing the customer-and the dealer can not void a
factory warranty. Warranties are usually restricted by the actions of the
owner/operator by their conscious non-performance of maintenance or
performing un-authorized modifications to the vehicle in direct conflict
with the agreed to warranty contract between the Owner and the Manufacturer.
of time, effort and lost income.
You are, in all cases, paying for what the "mic canic" knows as well as for
what the "mic canic" does. Those tools you talk about. The "mic canic" has
to purchase them also. A fair, size and quality, top and bottom box, the
minimum needed to work in the field today, runs in the range of $2,500. The
technician is not screwing the customer-and the dealer can not void a
factory warranty. Warranties are usually restricted by the actions of the
owner/operator by their conscious non-performance of maintenance or
performing un-authorized modifications to the vehicle in direct conflict
with the agreed to warranty contract between the Owner and the Manufacturer.
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Re: What does the Mechanic get-abused by the customer
The Sweeney's did pass the time by typing:
> A fair, size and quality, top and bottom box, the
> minimum needed to work in the field today, runs in the range of $2,500.
And that is a cheap set of tools.
Most of the wrench turners I know have sets that top $10,000.
One has a Snap-on set that he estimates at over 30K.
Got no idea how much my set is. It's a mix of Snap-on/S&K/Calhawk/Craftsman/
and some odd china born odds-n-ends for when folks want to borrow a tool.
What I need is a good home for them. They are all tucked away in toolbags
and drawers.
--
DougW
> A fair, size and quality, top and bottom box, the
> minimum needed to work in the field today, runs in the range of $2,500.
And that is a cheap set of tools.
Most of the wrench turners I know have sets that top $10,000.
One has a Snap-on set that he estimates at over 30K.
Got no idea how much my set is. It's a mix of Snap-on/S&K/Calhawk/Craftsman/
and some odd china born odds-n-ends for when folks want to borrow a tool.
What I need is a good home for them. They are all tucked away in toolbags
and drawers.
--
DougW
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Re: What does the Mechanic get-abused by the customer
The Sweeney's did pass the time by typing:
> A fair, size and quality, top and bottom box, the
> minimum needed to work in the field today, runs in the range of $2,500.
And that is a cheap set of tools.
Most of the wrench turners I know have sets that top $10,000.
One has a Snap-on set that he estimates at over 30K.
Got no idea how much my set is. It's a mix of Snap-on/S&K/Calhawk/Craftsman/
and some odd china born odds-n-ends for when folks want to borrow a tool.
What I need is a good home for them. They are all tucked away in toolbags
and drawers.
--
DougW
> A fair, size and quality, top and bottom box, the
> minimum needed to work in the field today, runs in the range of $2,500.
And that is a cheap set of tools.
Most of the wrench turners I know have sets that top $10,000.
One has a Snap-on set that he estimates at over 30K.
Got no idea how much my set is. It's a mix of Snap-on/S&K/Calhawk/Craftsman/
and some odd china born odds-n-ends for when folks want to borrow a tool.
What I need is a good home for them. They are all tucked away in toolbags
and drawers.
--
DougW
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Re: What does the Mechanic get-abused by the customer
The Sweeney's did pass the time by typing:
> A fair, size and quality, top and bottom box, the
> minimum needed to work in the field today, runs in the range of $2,500.
And that is a cheap set of tools.
Most of the wrench turners I know have sets that top $10,000.
One has a Snap-on set that he estimates at over 30K.
Got no idea how much my set is. It's a mix of Snap-on/S&K/Calhawk/Craftsman/
and some odd china born odds-n-ends for when folks want to borrow a tool.
What I need is a good home for them. They are all tucked away in toolbags
and drawers.
--
DougW
> A fair, size and quality, top and bottom box, the
> minimum needed to work in the field today, runs in the range of $2,500.
And that is a cheap set of tools.
Most of the wrench turners I know have sets that top $10,000.
One has a Snap-on set that he estimates at over 30K.
Got no idea how much my set is. It's a mix of Snap-on/S&K/Calhawk/Craftsman/
and some odd china born odds-n-ends for when folks want to borrow a tool.
What I need is a good home for them. They are all tucked away in toolbags
and drawers.
--
DougW
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Re: What does the Mechanic get-abused by the customer
In <1lAVb.686$ss.22168@bcandid.telisphere.com> The Sweeney's wrote:
> The technician is not screwing the customer-and
> the dealer can not void a factory warranty. Warranties are usually
> restricted by the actions of the owner/operator by their conscious non-
> performance of maintenance or performing un-authorized modifications
> to the vehicle in direct conflict with the agreed to warranty contract
> between the Owner and the Manufacturer.
In case you missed it, in another thread "mic canic" was bragging (yes,
bragging) about how he called in a D-C (not the dealer, sorry, my bad)
representative and between the two of them conspired to have the
warranty on a customer's lifted vehicle restricted to emissions only.
This, despite the fact that the federal law regulating vehicle
warranties specifies that before denying warranty coverage for a vehicle
fault, the manufacturer must show that the fault was caused by the
modifications. And even if the manufacturer meets this burden of proof,
the warranty restrictions must be confined to the systems which were
modified. So in this case, while restricting the warranty on the
suspension, and *maybe* the drivetrain was justified, restricting the
entire warranty to emissions only is clearly excessive in addition to
being illegal. I fail to see how installing a lift should void the
coverage on the electrical system, paint finish, trim, interior, or any
other unrelated components. Unfortunately, the cost of fighting this in
court will most likely exceed the cost of any non-covered repairs to the
vehicle for the remainder of the warranty period, so the owner is just
plain SOL on account of "mic canic".
As for the warranty contract between the manufacturer and the vehicle
owner, it is regulated by and must be in compliance with the federal
warranty law. Also, there is no such thing as a modification which must
be authorized by the manufacturer.
Furthermore, voiding warranties is a bad policy strictly as a matter of
customer service. As a result of this episode, the dealer at which "mic
canic" works has been identified here and will presumably be avoided by
newsgroup regulars who live in that area, and deservedly so for having
allowed it to take place.
In contrast, the first time I took my Jeep to the dealer which now gets
all of my service and parts business, both the service manager and the
technician who did the work complimented me on my modified vehicle. The
work was covered under warranty with no questions asked.
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> The technician is not screwing the customer-and
> the dealer can not void a factory warranty. Warranties are usually
> restricted by the actions of the owner/operator by their conscious non-
> performance of maintenance or performing un-authorized modifications
> to the vehicle in direct conflict with the agreed to warranty contract
> between the Owner and the Manufacturer.
In case you missed it, in another thread "mic canic" was bragging (yes,
bragging) about how he called in a D-C (not the dealer, sorry, my bad)
representative and between the two of them conspired to have the
warranty on a customer's lifted vehicle restricted to emissions only.
This, despite the fact that the federal law regulating vehicle
warranties specifies that before denying warranty coverage for a vehicle
fault, the manufacturer must show that the fault was caused by the
modifications. And even if the manufacturer meets this burden of proof,
the warranty restrictions must be confined to the systems which were
modified. So in this case, while restricting the warranty on the
suspension, and *maybe* the drivetrain was justified, restricting the
entire warranty to emissions only is clearly excessive in addition to
being illegal. I fail to see how installing a lift should void the
coverage on the electrical system, paint finish, trim, interior, or any
other unrelated components. Unfortunately, the cost of fighting this in
court will most likely exceed the cost of any non-covered repairs to the
vehicle for the remainder of the warranty period, so the owner is just
plain SOL on account of "mic canic".
As for the warranty contract between the manufacturer and the vehicle
owner, it is regulated by and must be in compliance with the federal
warranty law. Also, there is no such thing as a modification which must
be authorized by the manufacturer.
Furthermore, voiding warranties is a bad policy strictly as a matter of
customer service. As a result of this episode, the dealer at which "mic
canic" works has been identified here and will presumably be avoided by
newsgroup regulars who live in that area, and deservedly so for having
allowed it to take place.
In contrast, the first time I took my Jeep to the dealer which now gets
all of my service and parts business, both the service manager and the
technician who did the work complimented me on my modified vehicle. The
work was covered under warranty with no questions asked.
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Re: What does the Mechanic get-abused by the customer
In <1lAVb.686$ss.22168@bcandid.telisphere.com> The Sweeney's wrote:
> The technician is not screwing the customer-and
> the dealer can not void a factory warranty. Warranties are usually
> restricted by the actions of the owner/operator by their conscious non-
> performance of maintenance or performing un-authorized modifications
> to the vehicle in direct conflict with the agreed to warranty contract
> between the Owner and the Manufacturer.
In case you missed it, in another thread "mic canic" was bragging (yes,
bragging) about how he called in a D-C (not the dealer, sorry, my bad)
representative and between the two of them conspired to have the
warranty on a customer's lifted vehicle restricted to emissions only.
This, despite the fact that the federal law regulating vehicle
warranties specifies that before denying warranty coverage for a vehicle
fault, the manufacturer must show that the fault was caused by the
modifications. And even if the manufacturer meets this burden of proof,
the warranty restrictions must be confined to the systems which were
modified. So in this case, while restricting the warranty on the
suspension, and *maybe* the drivetrain was justified, restricting the
entire warranty to emissions only is clearly excessive in addition to
being illegal. I fail to see how installing a lift should void the
coverage on the electrical system, paint finish, trim, interior, or any
other unrelated components. Unfortunately, the cost of fighting this in
court will most likely exceed the cost of any non-covered repairs to the
vehicle for the remainder of the warranty period, so the owner is just
plain SOL on account of "mic canic".
As for the warranty contract between the manufacturer and the vehicle
owner, it is regulated by and must be in compliance with the federal
warranty law. Also, there is no such thing as a modification which must
be authorized by the manufacturer.
Furthermore, voiding warranties is a bad policy strictly as a matter of
customer service. As a result of this episode, the dealer at which "mic
canic" works has been identified here and will presumably be avoided by
newsgroup regulars who live in that area, and deservedly so for having
allowed it to take place.
In contrast, the first time I took my Jeep to the dealer which now gets
all of my service and parts business, both the service manager and the
technician who did the work complimented me on my modified vehicle. The
work was covered under warranty with no questions asked.
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> The technician is not screwing the customer-and
> the dealer can not void a factory warranty. Warranties are usually
> restricted by the actions of the owner/operator by their conscious non-
> performance of maintenance or performing un-authorized modifications
> to the vehicle in direct conflict with the agreed to warranty contract
> between the Owner and the Manufacturer.
In case you missed it, in another thread "mic canic" was bragging (yes,
bragging) about how he called in a D-C (not the dealer, sorry, my bad)
representative and between the two of them conspired to have the
warranty on a customer's lifted vehicle restricted to emissions only.
This, despite the fact that the federal law regulating vehicle
warranties specifies that before denying warranty coverage for a vehicle
fault, the manufacturer must show that the fault was caused by the
modifications. And even if the manufacturer meets this burden of proof,
the warranty restrictions must be confined to the systems which were
modified. So in this case, while restricting the warranty on the
suspension, and *maybe* the drivetrain was justified, restricting the
entire warranty to emissions only is clearly excessive in addition to
being illegal. I fail to see how installing a lift should void the
coverage on the electrical system, paint finish, trim, interior, or any
other unrelated components. Unfortunately, the cost of fighting this in
court will most likely exceed the cost of any non-covered repairs to the
vehicle for the remainder of the warranty period, so the owner is just
plain SOL on account of "mic canic".
As for the warranty contract between the manufacturer and the vehicle
owner, it is regulated by and must be in compliance with the federal
warranty law. Also, there is no such thing as a modification which must
be authorized by the manufacturer.
Furthermore, voiding warranties is a bad policy strictly as a matter of
customer service. As a result of this episode, the dealer at which "mic
canic" works has been identified here and will presumably be avoided by
newsgroup regulars who live in that area, and deservedly so for having
allowed it to take place.
In contrast, the first time I took my Jeep to the dealer which now gets
all of my service and parts business, both the service manager and the
technician who did the work complimented me on my modified vehicle. The
work was covered under warranty with no questions asked.
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