Re: weird body lean?
 

The Civilian Jeeps made by Willys and Kaiser, if their owner do not
clean the dirt from under the gas tank and clear the drain holes in the
tool box then they'll rust at the floor line, but the frame will be like
any 1917 Model "T" frame you find, maybe a protective rust coating, but
NEVER rusted through. Their spring perches will be as good as new,
because no matter how much it rains those areas dry out, and don't
puddle. Of course if I take my Jeep for a dip in the ocean, I always
rinse it off.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Bill you live in California... you know the OTHER state besides Arizona
> that car collectors go to get their rust free classic project cars?
> Jeep's are just rust traps, they have a hundred different things about
> them that promote rust. Hinges, curled lips in the sheet (lower tub),
> pressed and spot welded joints (windshield frame) coupled with the fact
> that they get rained in more often than any other vehicle (in states
> where it rains more than once a season). Open channel frame or not I've
> seen plenty of old CJ's that were rust from grill to tail pipe.

Re: weird body lean?
 

The Civilian Jeeps made by Willys and Kaiser, if their owner do not
clean the dirt from under the gas tank and clear the drain holes in the
tool box then they'll rust at the floor line, but the frame will be like
any 1917 Model "T" frame you find, maybe a protective rust coating, but
NEVER rusted through. Their spring perches will be as good as new,
because no matter how much it rains those areas dry out, and don't
puddle. Of course if I take my Jeep for a dip in the ocean, I always
rinse it off.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Bill you live in California... you know the OTHER state besides Arizona
> that car collectors go to get their rust free classic project cars?
> Jeep's are just rust traps, they have a hundred different things about
> them that promote rust. Hinges, curled lips in the sheet (lower tub),
> pressed and spot welded joints (windshield frame) coupled with the fact
> that they get rained in more often than any other vehicle (in states
> where it rains more than once a season). Open channel frame or not I've
> seen plenty of old CJ's that were rust from grill to tail pipe.

Re: weird body lean?
 

The Civilian Jeeps made by Willys and Kaiser, if their owner do not
clean the dirt from under the gas tank and clear the drain holes in the
tool box then they'll rust at the floor line, but the frame will be like
any 1917 Model "T" frame you find, maybe a protective rust coating, but
NEVER rusted through. Their spring perches will be as good as new,
because no matter how much it rains those areas dry out, and don't
puddle. Of course if I take my Jeep for a dip in the ocean, I always
rinse it off.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> Bill you live in California... you know the OTHER state besides Arizona
> that car collectors go to get their rust free classic project cars?
> Jeep's are just rust traps, they have a hundred different things about
> them that promote rust. Hinges, curled lips in the sheet (lower tub),
> pressed and spot welded joints (windshield frame) coupled with the fact
> that they get rained in more often than any other vehicle (in states
> where it rains more than once a season). Open channel frame or not I've
> seen plenty of old CJ's that were rust from grill to tail pipe.

Re: weird body lean?
 

Jeez, neither your Real 1/4 ton Jeep nor my TJ could cope with two of you in
the back without going over the payload limit ...

Doing a bit more research I discovered that the Suzuki Grand Vitara and
Toyota RAV4 has a payload of 75 lb more than the TJ, the Nissan XTerra has
65 lb more, the Honda CRV has 150 lb more, the Chevy Tracker has 50lb more,
the Ford Explorer 160lb more. What does the TJ have ? 820lb (including
occupants) , the same as ... wait for it ... a HONDA PASSPORT.

Deduct 130lb of offroad armour and that leaves 690lb, less 200lb for me and
120 for girlfriend.. That means that I have 370lb left which isn't enough
for 2 of my mates in the back, let alone luggage.

Consequently, I must have overloaded many times without realising it ...

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FA5EFEF.133E6D3C@cox.net...
: I think maybe Jimmy, doesn't weigh three hundred pounds like I:
: http://www.----------.com/thanks02.htm
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:--------------------
:
: "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
: >
: > The simple fix is to swap the rears springs side to side. Unless
something's
: > broken or bent it will most likely level it right out.
: >
: > Yours seems a bit odd, most leaf spring Jeeps tend to lean to the
driver's
: > side due to the drivers weight fatiguing the springs over time. The
rears
: > tend to sag more than the fronts due to weight transfer while driving.

Re: weird body lean?
 

Jeez, neither your Real 1/4 ton Jeep nor my TJ could cope with two of you in
the back without going over the payload limit ...

Doing a bit more research I discovered that the Suzuki Grand Vitara and
Toyota RAV4 has a payload of 75 lb more than the TJ, the Nissan XTerra has
65 lb more, the Honda CRV has 150 lb more, the Chevy Tracker has 50lb more,
the Ford Explorer 160lb more. What does the TJ have ? 820lb (including
occupants) , the same as ... wait for it ... a HONDA PASSPORT.

Deduct 130lb of offroad armour and that leaves 690lb, less 200lb for me and
120 for girlfriend.. That means that I have 370lb left which isn't enough
for 2 of my mates in the back, let alone luggage.

Consequently, I must have overloaded many times without realising it ...

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FA5EFEF.133E6D3C@cox.net...
: I think maybe Jimmy, doesn't weigh three hundred pounds like I:
: http://www.----------.com/thanks02.htm
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:--------------------
:
: "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
: >
: > The simple fix is to swap the rears springs side to side. Unless
something's
: > broken or bent it will most likely level it right out.
: >
: > Yours seems a bit odd, most leaf spring Jeeps tend to lean to the
driver's
: > side due to the drivers weight fatiguing the springs over time. The
rears
: > tend to sag more than the fronts due to weight transfer while driving.

Re: weird body lean?
 

Jeez, neither your Real 1/4 ton Jeep nor my TJ could cope with two of you in
the back without going over the payload limit ...

Doing a bit more research I discovered that the Suzuki Grand Vitara and
Toyota RAV4 has a payload of 75 lb more than the TJ, the Nissan XTerra has
65 lb more, the Honda CRV has 150 lb more, the Chevy Tracker has 50lb more,
the Ford Explorer 160lb more. What does the TJ have ? 820lb (including
occupants) , the same as ... wait for it ... a HONDA PASSPORT.

Deduct 130lb of offroad armour and that leaves 690lb, less 200lb for me and
120 for girlfriend.. That means that I have 370lb left which isn't enough
for 2 of my mates in the back, let alone luggage.

Consequently, I must have overloaded many times without realising it ...

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FA5EFEF.133E6D3C@cox.net...
: I think maybe Jimmy, doesn't weigh three hundred pounds like I:
: http://www.----------.com/thanks02.htm
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:--------------------
:
: "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
: >
: > The simple fix is to swap the rears springs side to side. Unless
something's
: > broken or bent it will most likely level it right out.
: >
: > Yours seems a bit odd, most leaf spring Jeeps tend to lean to the
driver's
: > side due to the drivers weight fatiguing the springs over time. The
rears
: > tend to sag more than the fronts due to weight transfer while driving.

Re: weird body lean?
 

Oh, and just to rub it in how ---- TJs or Real Jeeps are for payload, the
smaller wheelbased Land Rover 90 has a payload of 1660lb *excluding* the 2
front occupants.
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:2Yzrb.450$ZA6.4309184@news-text.cableinet.net...
: Jeez, neither your Real 1/4 ton Jeep nor my TJ could cope with two of you
in
: the back without going over the payload limit ...
:
: Doing a bit more research I discovered that the Suzuki Grand Vitara and
: Toyota RAV4 has a payload of 75 lb more than the TJ, the Nissan XTerra has
: 65 lb more, the Honda CRV has 150 lb more, the Chevy Tracker has 50lb
more,
: the Ford Explorer 160lb more. What does the TJ have ? 820lb (including
: occupants) , the same as ... wait for it ... a HONDA PASSPORT.
:
: Deduct 130lb of offroad armour and that leaves 690lb, less 200lb for me
and
: 120 for girlfriend.. That means that I have 370lb left which isn't enough
: for 2 of my mates in the back, let alone luggage.
:
: Consequently, I must have overloaded many times without realising it ...
:
: Dave Milne, Scotland
: '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
:
: "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
: news:3FA5EFEF.133E6D3C@cox.net...
: : I think maybe Jimmy, doesn't weigh three hundred pounds like I:
: : http://www.----------.com/thanks02.htm
: : God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: : mailto:--------------------
: :
: : "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
: : >
: : > The simple fix is to swap the rears springs side to side. Unless
: something's
: : > broken or bent it will most likely level it right out.
: : >
: : > Yours seems a bit odd, most leaf spring Jeeps tend to lean to the
: driver's
: : > side due to the drivers weight fatiguing the springs over time. The
: rears
: : > tend to sag more than the fronts due to weight transfer while driving.
:
:

Re: weird body lean?
 

Oh, and just to rub it in how ---- TJs or Real Jeeps are for payload, the
smaller wheelbased Land Rover 90 has a payload of 1660lb *excluding* the 2
front occupants.
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:2Yzrb.450$ZA6.4309184@news-text.cableinet.net...
: Jeez, neither your Real 1/4 ton Jeep nor my TJ could cope with two of you
in
: the back without going over the payload limit ...
:
: Doing a bit more research I discovered that the Suzuki Grand Vitara and
: Toyota RAV4 has a payload of 75 lb more than the TJ, the Nissan XTerra has
: 65 lb more, the Honda CRV has 150 lb more, the Chevy Tracker has 50lb
more,
: the Ford Explorer 160lb more. What does the TJ have ? 820lb (including
: occupants) , the same as ... wait for it ... a HONDA PASSPORT.
:
: Deduct 130lb of offroad armour and that leaves 690lb, less 200lb for me
and
: 120 for girlfriend.. That means that I have 370lb left which isn't enough
: for 2 of my mates in the back, let alone luggage.
:
: Consequently, I must have overloaded many times without realising it ...
:
: Dave Milne, Scotland
: '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
:
: "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
: news:3FA5EFEF.133E6D3C@cox.net...
: : I think maybe Jimmy, doesn't weigh three hundred pounds like I:
: : http://www.----------.com/thanks02.htm
: : God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: : mailto:--------------------
: :
: : "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
: : >
: : > The simple fix is to swap the rears springs side to side. Unless
: something's
: : > broken or bent it will most likely level it right out.
: : >
: : > Yours seems a bit odd, most leaf spring Jeeps tend to lean to the
: driver's
: : > side due to the drivers weight fatiguing the springs over time. The
: rears
: : > tend to sag more than the fronts due to weight transfer while driving.
:
:

Re: weird body lean?
 

Oh, and just to rub it in how ---- TJs or Real Jeeps are for payload, the
smaller wheelbased Land Rover 90 has a payload of 1660lb *excluding* the 2
front occupants.
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:2Yzrb.450$ZA6.4309184@news-text.cableinet.net...
: Jeez, neither your Real 1/4 ton Jeep nor my TJ could cope with two of you
in
: the back without going over the payload limit ...
:
: Doing a bit more research I discovered that the Suzuki Grand Vitara and
: Toyota RAV4 has a payload of 75 lb more than the TJ, the Nissan XTerra has
: 65 lb more, the Honda CRV has 150 lb more, the Chevy Tracker has 50lb
more,
: the Ford Explorer 160lb more. What does the TJ have ? 820lb (including
: occupants) , the same as ... wait for it ... a HONDA PASSPORT.
:
: Deduct 130lb of offroad armour and that leaves 690lb, less 200lb for me
and
: 120 for girlfriend.. That means that I have 370lb left which isn't enough
: for 2 of my mates in the back, let alone luggage.
:
: Consequently, I must have overloaded many times without realising it ...
:
: Dave Milne, Scotland
: '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
:
: "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
: news:3FA5EFEF.133E6D3C@cox.net...
: : I think maybe Jimmy, doesn't weigh three hundred pounds like I:
: : http://www.----------.com/thanks02.htm
: : God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: : mailto:--------------------
: :
: : "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
: : >
: : > The simple fix is to swap the rears springs side to side. Unless
: something's
: : > broken or bent it will most likely level it right out.
: : >
: : > Yours seems a bit odd, most leaf spring Jeeps tend to lean to the
: driver's
: : > side due to the drivers weight fatiguing the springs over time. The
: rears
: : > tend to sag more than the fronts due to weight transfer while driving.
:
:

Re: weird body lean?
 

Hi Dave,
Is that how your country measures the weight capacity of a half to
truck? Over here if we have to account for the fat occupants we measure
in Gross Vehicle Weight.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Oh, and just to rub it in how ---- TJs or Real Jeeps are for payload, the
> smaller wheelbased Land Rover 90 has a payload of 1660lb *excluding* the 2
> front occupants.
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:2Yzrb.450$ZA6.4309184@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : Jeez, neither your Real 1/4 ton Jeep nor my TJ could cope with two of you
> in
> : the back without going over the payload limit ...
> :
> : Doing a bit more research I discovered that the Suzuki Grand Vitara and
> : Toyota RAV4 has a payload of 75 lb more than the TJ, the Nissan XTerra has
> : 65 lb more, the Honda CRV has 150 lb more, the Chevy Tracker has 50lb
> more,
> : the Ford Explorer 160lb more. What does the TJ have ? 820lb (including
> : occupants) , the same as ... wait for it ... a HONDA PASSPORT.
> :
> : Deduct 130lb of offroad armour and that leaves 690lb, less 200lb for me
> and
> : 120 for girlfriend.. That means that I have 370lb left which isn't enough
> : for 2 of my mates in the back, let alone luggage.
> :
> : Consequently, I must have overloaded many times without realising it ...
> :
> : Dave Milne, Scotland
> : '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> :
> : "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> : news:3FA5EFEF.133E6D3C@cox.net...
> : : I think maybe Jimmy, doesn't weigh three hundred pounds like I:
> : : http://www.----------.com/thanks02.htm
> : : God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : : mailto:--------------------
> : :
> : : "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> : : >
> : : > The simple fix is to swap the rears springs side to side. Unless
> : something's
> : : > broken or bent it will most likely level it right out.
> : : >
> : : > Yours seems a bit odd, most leaf spring Jeeps tend to lean to the
> : driver's
> : : > side due to the drivers weight fatiguing the springs over time. The
> : rears
> : : > tend to sag more than the fronts due to weight transfer while driving.
> :
> :