Fidelio

That right. As far as I understand the inflate speed for airbags in Europe
is much slower than in the States for european regulation. And the reason
for quickest airbags in the States seems to be the lack of usage of seat
belts.

At least that is what EU authorities said about this matter.

Regards,
Fidelio

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> escribió en el mensaje
news:436CC2C3.C2B92AE3@sympatico.ca...
> Jason Backshall wrote:
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:436BABC5.CF5D0F66@sympatico.ca...
>> > Airbags are designed for brain dead adults who refuse to use seatbelts,
>> > nothing else.
>> >
>>
>> Complete and utter nonsense.
>>
>> In order for an airbag to be effective, you *must* be wearing your
>> seatbelt - not doing so will often result in serious injury or even death
>> as
>> a result of the driver/passenger being in the wrong position when the bag
>> inflates.
>>
>> J.
>
> You should read some history. Even from this link someone else posted:
>
> American airbag designs triggering much more quickly than airbags
> designed for other countries, to protect occupants not wearing seat
> belts.
>
> And:
>
> they were touted in the 1960s and 70s as a potential seat belt
> replacement,
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Fidelio

Hmmm 300 miles/hour neck snapper???? I wasn't aware about my mother being
designer of US airbags systems. Whenever my brother or me do a wrong thing
at home while we were childs my mother used to snap our necks as quick as
300 miles/hour (450 km/h in Europe).

XDDD

Regards,
Fidelio

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:436BD05D.E2367408@***.net...
> The air bag deploying at over three hundred miles an hour will snap
> the neck of anyone under a hundred pounds. And those small people as you
> suggest for some reason slide there seat forward seating themselves in
> harms way: http://www.airbagonoff.com/dr_smock's_research.htm
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> You can push their set back on the rails. I think the danger lessens if
>> the
>> distance is over a foot from the bag to the child.
>>
>> Personally, I would not disable the air bag as I would rather they suffer
>> a
>> concussion than the alternative.
>>
>> See Recommendations at the bottom:
>> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00045709.htm
>>
>> --
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.

Fidelio

Hmmm 300 miles/hour neck snapper???? I wasn't aware about my mother being
designer of US airbags systems. Whenever my brother or me do a wrong thing
at home while we were childs my mother used to snap our necks as quick as
300 miles/hour (450 km/h in Europe).

XDDD

Regards,
Fidelio

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:436BD05D.E2367408@***.net...
> The air bag deploying at over three hundred miles an hour will snap
> the neck of anyone under a hundred pounds. And those small people as you
> suggest for some reason slide there seat forward seating themselves in
> harms way: http://www.airbagonoff.com/dr_smock's_research.htm
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> You can push their set back on the rails. I think the danger lessens if
>> the
>> distance is over a foot from the bag to the child.
>>
>> Personally, I would not disable the air bag as I would rather they suffer
>> a
>> concussion than the alternative.
>>
>> See Recommendations at the bottom:
>> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00045709.htm
>>
>> --
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.

Fidelio

Hmmm 300 miles/hour neck snapper???? I wasn't aware about my mother being
designer of US airbags systems. Whenever my brother or me do a wrong thing
at home while we were childs my mother used to snap our necks as quick as
300 miles/hour (450 km/h in Europe).

XDDD

Regards,
Fidelio

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:436BD05D.E2367408@***.net...
> The air bag deploying at over three hundred miles an hour will snap
> the neck of anyone under a hundred pounds. And those small people as you
> suggest for some reason slide there seat forward seating themselves in
> harms way: http://www.airbagonoff.com/dr_smock's_research.htm
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> You can push their set back on the rails. I think the danger lessens if
>> the
>> distance is over a foot from the bag to the child.
>>
>> Personally, I would not disable the air bag as I would rather they suffer
>> a
>> concussion than the alternative.
>>
>> See Recommendations at the bottom:
>> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00045709.htm
>>
>> --
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.

Jeff Strickland

Well, just because the back seat comes in the truck, there's no reason you
can't take it out. The Owner's Manual gives detailed directions on how to do
this.

With the back seat, you gain lots of cargo space at the expense of seating
area. The '98 and later models have a Airbag Bypass that ONLY the '97s
didn't get. There is a bypass that came from the factory, but requires the
owner specifically ask for it, and sign some mind of form that keeps the
owner from going after the dealership for installing a requested option.




"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:dkn3j3$r6l$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> As Jason said, we don't have 4-bangers here. Only an inline 6. All come
> in two trims (Sport or Renegade), with the option of soft or hard-top (or
> both). No Rubi here yet. I have been told by the local dealer that they
> will be bringing in Unlimiteds with four door option starting from Jan
> '07. No decision yet on Rubi.
>
> Keep in mind, our steering wheel is on the right side of the rig..... Not
> much market for Wranglers when competing against Jap imports.
>
> TW
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:UNOdnWKp6KSzpfPenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@ez2.net...
>> Are they ALWAYS sold with a back seat? The base model 4 banger hasn't got
>> a back seat in the States. And, the back seat is a removable feature to
>> give a truck-like cargo area.
>>
>> All I'm suggesting is that one ask the question before blindly taking
>> "no" for an answer. The later years of production have a bypass switch
>> that the '97s don't have. We can get the bypass switch added, perhaps you
>> can as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
>> news:dkhj6o$phs$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>
>>> I realise that. Unfortunately, in New Zealand all Wranglers are sold
>>> with rear seats and classed as four seat passenger vehicles.
>>>
>>> I can change the specs and make it what I want, then I have to get it
>>> certified as a "low volume vehicle" i.e. a lot of inspection fee and an
>>> adjustment to my insurance premium for it being a special purpose
>>> vehicle....
>>>
>>> TW
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:veadnSOMZvTdhPHeRVn-rQ@ez2.net...
>>>> Actually, in the States we found that people put kids in the front seat
>>>> of trucks, and the Jeep Wrangler is listed as a truck. We have a means
>>>> of adding a passenger side airbag bypass switch to keep children in the
>>>> front seat safe. Well, as safe as can be expected riding in the front
>>>> seat ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
>>>> news:dkf8o2$4hs$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>> It is illegal in New Zealand as well. If a car/truck came with an
>>>>> airbag from factory, it cannot be removed or disabled as that would
>>>>> void the "warrant of fitness". If you have an accident like that, you
>>>>> will be walking up the proverbial creek.....
>>>>>
>>>>> TW
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jason Backshall" <jbackshall@staff.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:436af7e9$0$1687$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "RobM" <motobusa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1131081389.600157.258410@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>>>>I know how to do it in my CJ. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand the late '98 and '99's have a cust-off switch, but I
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to be able to temporarily disable it in my '97.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I searched the net and faq and didn't see anything so hoping one of
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can shed some light.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please beware that in certain states (such as Western Australia,
>>>>>> Victoria and Queensland here in Australia), this may be illegal. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Jeff Strickland

Well, just because the back seat comes in the truck, there's no reason you
can't take it out. The Owner's Manual gives detailed directions on how to do
this.

With the back seat, you gain lots of cargo space at the expense of seating
area. The '98 and later models have a Airbag Bypass that ONLY the '97s
didn't get. There is a bypass that came from the factory, but requires the
owner specifically ask for it, and sign some mind of form that keeps the
owner from going after the dealership for installing a requested option.




"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:dkn3j3$r6l$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> As Jason said, we don't have 4-bangers here. Only an inline 6. All come
> in two trims (Sport or Renegade), with the option of soft or hard-top (or
> both). No Rubi here yet. I have been told by the local dealer that they
> will be bringing in Unlimiteds with four door option starting from Jan
> '07. No decision yet on Rubi.
>
> Keep in mind, our steering wheel is on the right side of the rig..... Not
> much market for Wranglers when competing against Jap imports.
>
> TW
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:UNOdnWKp6KSzpfPenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@ez2.net...
>> Are they ALWAYS sold with a back seat? The base model 4 banger hasn't got
>> a back seat in the States. And, the back seat is a removable feature to
>> give a truck-like cargo area.
>>
>> All I'm suggesting is that one ask the question before blindly taking
>> "no" for an answer. The later years of production have a bypass switch
>> that the '97s don't have. We can get the bypass switch added, perhaps you
>> can as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
>> news:dkhj6o$phs$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>
>>> I realise that. Unfortunately, in New Zealand all Wranglers are sold
>>> with rear seats and classed as four seat passenger vehicles.
>>>
>>> I can change the specs and make it what I want, then I have to get it
>>> certified as a "low volume vehicle" i.e. a lot of inspection fee and an
>>> adjustment to my insurance premium for it being a special purpose
>>> vehicle....
>>>
>>> TW
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:veadnSOMZvTdhPHeRVn-rQ@ez2.net...
>>>> Actually, in the States we found that people put kids in the front seat
>>>> of trucks, and the Jeep Wrangler is listed as a truck. We have a means
>>>> of adding a passenger side airbag bypass switch to keep children in the
>>>> front seat safe. Well, as safe as can be expected riding in the front
>>>> seat ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
>>>> news:dkf8o2$4hs$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>> It is illegal in New Zealand as well. If a car/truck came with an
>>>>> airbag from factory, it cannot be removed or disabled as that would
>>>>> void the "warrant of fitness". If you have an accident like that, you
>>>>> will be walking up the proverbial creek.....
>>>>>
>>>>> TW
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jason Backshall" <jbackshall@staff.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:436af7e9$0$1687$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "RobM" <motobusa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1131081389.600157.258410@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>>>>I know how to do it in my CJ. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand the late '98 and '99's have a cust-off switch, but I
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to be able to temporarily disable it in my '97.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I searched the net and faq and didn't see anything so hoping one of
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can shed some light.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please beware that in certain states (such as Western Australia,
>>>>>> Victoria and Queensland here in Australia), this may be illegal. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Jeff Strickland

Well, just because the back seat comes in the truck, there's no reason you
can't take it out. The Owner's Manual gives detailed directions on how to do
this.

With the back seat, you gain lots of cargo space at the expense of seating
area. The '98 and later models have a Airbag Bypass that ONLY the '97s
didn't get. There is a bypass that came from the factory, but requires the
owner specifically ask for it, and sign some mind of form that keeps the
owner from going after the dealership for installing a requested option.




"TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
news:dkn3j3$r6l$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> As Jason said, we don't have 4-bangers here. Only an inline 6. All come
> in two trims (Sport or Renegade), with the option of soft or hard-top (or
> both). No Rubi here yet. I have been told by the local dealer that they
> will be bringing in Unlimiteds with four door option starting from Jan
> '07. No decision yet on Rubi.
>
> Keep in mind, our steering wheel is on the right side of the rig..... Not
> much market for Wranglers when competing against Jap imports.
>
> TW
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:UNOdnWKp6KSzpfPenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@ez2.net...
>> Are they ALWAYS sold with a back seat? The base model 4 banger hasn't got
>> a back seat in the States. And, the back seat is a removable feature to
>> give a truck-like cargo area.
>>
>> All I'm suggesting is that one ask the question before blindly taking
>> "no" for an answer. The later years of production have a bypass switch
>> that the '97s don't have. We can get the bypass switch added, perhaps you
>> can as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
>> news:dkhj6o$phs$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>
>>> I realise that. Unfortunately, in New Zealand all Wranglers are sold
>>> with rear seats and classed as four seat passenger vehicles.
>>>
>>> I can change the specs and make it what I want, then I have to get it
>>> certified as a "low volume vehicle" i.e. a lot of inspection fee and an
>>> adjustment to my insurance premium for it being a special purpose
>>> vehicle....
>>>
>>> TW
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:veadnSOMZvTdhPHeRVn-rQ@ez2.net...
>>>> Actually, in the States we found that people put kids in the front seat
>>>> of trucks, and the Jeep Wrangler is listed as a truck. We have a means
>>>> of adding a passenger side airbag bypass switch to keep children in the
>>>> front seat safe. Well, as safe as can be expected riding in the front
>>>> seat ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
>>>> news:dkf8o2$4hs$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>> It is illegal in New Zealand as well. If a car/truck came with an
>>>>> airbag from factory, it cannot be removed or disabled as that would
>>>>> void the "warrant of fitness". If you have an accident like that, you
>>>>> will be walking up the proverbial creek.....
>>>>>
>>>>> TW
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jason Backshall" <jbackshall@staff.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:436af7e9$0$1687$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "RobM" <motobusa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1131081389.600157.258410@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>>>>I know how to do it in my CJ. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand the late '98 and '99's have a cust-off switch, but I
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to be able to temporarily disable it in my '97.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I searched the net and faq and didn't see anything so hoping one of
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can shed some light.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please beware that in certain states (such as Western Australia,
>>>>>> Victoria and Queensland here in Australia), this may be illegal. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

TW

I know I can take the seat out, but the belts must still be capable of
working in the back. If I take the belts off, then at re-install I will
have to have them re-tested/certified for being compliant with local laws.
Its strange, but that the price you have to pay for living in NZ. As for
the disable switch, it was never introduced here. I tried getting it, but
couldn't do it because of local regulations not allowing me to do so. Oh
well, I'll save all my mods and have it certified in one go, once the TJ
reaches toy stage.

TW

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:x_ednZ1cBrMoyezeRVn-rg@ez2.net...
> Well, just because the back seat comes in the truck, there's no reason you
> can't take it out. The Owner's Manual gives detailed directions on how to
> do this.
>
> With the back seat, you gain lots of cargo space at the expense of seating
> area. The '98 and later models have a Airbag Bypass that ONLY the '97s
> didn't get. There is a bypass that came from the factory, but requires the
> owner specifically ask for it, and sign some mind of form that keeps the
> owner from going after the dealership for installing a requested option.
>
>
>
>
> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
> news:dkn3j3$r6l$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> As Jason said, we don't have 4-bangers here. Only an inline 6. All come
>> in two trims (Sport or Renegade), with the option of soft or hard-top (or
>> both). No Rubi here yet. I have been told by the local dealer that they
>> will be bringing in Unlimiteds with four door option starting from Jan
>> '07. No decision yet on Rubi.
>>
>> Keep in mind, our steering wheel is on the right side of the rig.....
>> Not much market for Wranglers when competing against Jap imports.
>>
>> TW
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:UNOdnWKp6KSzpfPenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>> Are they ALWAYS sold with a back seat? The base model 4 banger hasn't
>>> got a back seat in the States. And, the back seat is a removable feature
>>> to give a truck-like cargo area.
>>>
>>> All I'm suggesting is that one ask the question before blindly taking
>>> "no" for an answer. The later years of production have a bypass switch
>>> that the '97s don't have. We can get the bypass switch added, perhaps
>>> you can as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
>>> news:dkhj6o$phs$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>
>>>> I realise that. Unfortunately, in New Zealand all Wranglers are sold
>>>> with rear seats and classed as four seat passenger vehicles.
>>>>
>>>> I can change the specs and make it what I want, then I have to get it
>>>> certified as a "low volume vehicle" i.e. a lot of inspection fee and an
>>>> adjustment to my insurance premium for it being a special purpose
>>>> vehicle....
>>>>
>>>> TW
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:veadnSOMZvTdhPHeRVn-rQ@ez2.net...
>>>>> Actually, in the States we found that people put kids in the front
>>>>> seat of trucks, and the Jeep Wrangler is listed as a truck. We have a
>>>>> means of adding a passenger side airbag bypass switch to keep children
>>>>> in the front seat safe. Well, as safe as can be expected riding in the
>>>>> front seat ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:dkf8o2$4hs$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>>> It is illegal in New Zealand as well. If a car/truck came with an
>>>>>> airbag from factory, it cannot be removed or disabled as that would
>>>>>> void the "warrant of fitness". If you have an accident like that,
>>>>>> you will be walking up the proverbial creek.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TW
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jason Backshall" <jbackshall@staff.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:436af7e9$0$1687$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "RobM" <motobusa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:1131081389.600157.258410@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>>>>>I know how to do it in my CJ. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I understand the late '98 and '99's have a cust-off switch, but I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to be able to temporarily disable it in my '97.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I searched the net and faq and didn't see anything so hoping one of
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> can shed some light.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please beware that in certain states (such as Western Australia,
>>>>>>> Victoria and Queensland here in Australia), this may be illegal. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

TW

I know I can take the seat out, but the belts must still be capable of
working in the back. If I take the belts off, then at re-install I will
have to have them re-tested/certified for being compliant with local laws.
Its strange, but that the price you have to pay for living in NZ. As for
the disable switch, it was never introduced here. I tried getting it, but
couldn't do it because of local regulations not allowing me to do so. Oh
well, I'll save all my mods and have it certified in one go, once the TJ
reaches toy stage.

TW

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:x_ednZ1cBrMoyezeRVn-rg@ez2.net...
> Well, just because the back seat comes in the truck, there's no reason you
> can't take it out. The Owner's Manual gives detailed directions on how to
> do this.
>
> With the back seat, you gain lots of cargo space at the expense of seating
> area. The '98 and later models have a Airbag Bypass that ONLY the '97s
> didn't get. There is a bypass that came from the factory, but requires the
> owner specifically ask for it, and sign some mind of form that keeps the
> owner from going after the dealership for installing a requested option.
>
>
>
>
> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
> news:dkn3j3$r6l$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> As Jason said, we don't have 4-bangers here. Only an inline 6. All come
>> in two trims (Sport or Renegade), with the option of soft or hard-top (or
>> both). No Rubi here yet. I have been told by the local dealer that they
>> will be bringing in Unlimiteds with four door option starting from Jan
>> '07. No decision yet on Rubi.
>>
>> Keep in mind, our steering wheel is on the right side of the rig.....
>> Not much market for Wranglers when competing against Jap imports.
>>
>> TW
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:UNOdnWKp6KSzpfPenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>> Are they ALWAYS sold with a back seat? The base model 4 banger hasn't
>>> got a back seat in the States. And, the back seat is a removable feature
>>> to give a truck-like cargo area.
>>>
>>> All I'm suggesting is that one ask the question before blindly taking
>>> "no" for an answer. The later years of production have a bypass switch
>>> that the '97s don't have. We can get the bypass switch added, perhaps
>>> you can as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
>>> news:dkhj6o$phs$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>
>>>> I realise that. Unfortunately, in New Zealand all Wranglers are sold
>>>> with rear seats and classed as four seat passenger vehicles.
>>>>
>>>> I can change the specs and make it what I want, then I have to get it
>>>> certified as a "low volume vehicle" i.e. a lot of inspection fee and an
>>>> adjustment to my insurance premium for it being a special purpose
>>>> vehicle....
>>>>
>>>> TW
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:veadnSOMZvTdhPHeRVn-rQ@ez2.net...
>>>>> Actually, in the States we found that people put kids in the front
>>>>> seat of trucks, and the Jeep Wrangler is listed as a truck. We have a
>>>>> means of adding a passenger side airbag bypass switch to keep children
>>>>> in the front seat safe. Well, as safe as can be expected riding in the
>>>>> front seat ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:dkf8o2$4hs$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>>> It is illegal in New Zealand as well. If a car/truck came with an
>>>>>> airbag from factory, it cannot be removed or disabled as that would
>>>>>> void the "warrant of fitness". If you have an accident like that,
>>>>>> you will be walking up the proverbial creek.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TW
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jason Backshall" <jbackshall@staff.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:436af7e9$0$1687$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "RobM" <motobusa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:1131081389.600157.258410@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>>>>>I know how to do it in my CJ. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I understand the late '98 and '99's have a cust-off switch, but I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to be able to temporarily disable it in my '97.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I searched the net and faq and didn't see anything so hoping one of
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> can shed some light.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please beware that in certain states (such as Western Australia,
>>>>>>> Victoria and Queensland here in Australia), this may be illegal. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

TW

I know I can take the seat out, but the belts must still be capable of
working in the back. If I take the belts off, then at re-install I will
have to have them re-tested/certified for being compliant with local laws.
Its strange, but that the price you have to pay for living in NZ. As for
the disable switch, it was never introduced here. I tried getting it, but
couldn't do it because of local regulations not allowing me to do so. Oh
well, I'll save all my mods and have it certified in one go, once the TJ
reaches toy stage.

TW

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:x_ednZ1cBrMoyezeRVn-rg@ez2.net...
> Well, just because the back seat comes in the truck, there's no reason you
> can't take it out. The Owner's Manual gives detailed directions on how to
> do this.
>
> With the back seat, you gain lots of cargo space at the expense of seating
> area. The '98 and later models have a Airbag Bypass that ONLY the '97s
> didn't get. There is a bypass that came from the factory, but requires the
> owner specifically ask for it, and sign some mind of form that keeps the
> owner from going after the dealership for installing a requested option.
>
>
>
>
> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
> news:dkn3j3$r6l$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> As Jason said, we don't have 4-bangers here. Only an inline 6. All come
>> in two trims (Sport or Renegade), with the option of soft or hard-top (or
>> both). No Rubi here yet. I have been told by the local dealer that they
>> will be bringing in Unlimiteds with four door option starting from Jan
>> '07. No decision yet on Rubi.
>>
>> Keep in mind, our steering wheel is on the right side of the rig.....
>> Not much market for Wranglers when competing against Jap imports.
>>
>> TW
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:UNOdnWKp6KSzpfPenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@ez2.net...
>>> Are they ALWAYS sold with a back seat? The base model 4 banger hasn't
>>> got a back seat in the States. And, the back seat is a removable feature
>>> to give a truck-like cargo area.
>>>
>>> All I'm suggesting is that one ask the question before blindly taking
>>> "no" for an answer. The later years of production have a bypass switch
>>> that the '97s don't have. We can get the bypass switch added, perhaps
>>> you can as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
>>> news:dkhj6o$phs$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>
>>>> I realise that. Unfortunately, in New Zealand all Wranglers are sold
>>>> with rear seats and classed as four seat passenger vehicles.
>>>>
>>>> I can change the specs and make it what I want, then I have to get it
>>>> certified as a "low volume vehicle" i.e. a lot of inspection fee and an
>>>> adjustment to my insurance premium for it being a special purpose
>>>> vehicle....
>>>>
>>>> TW
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:veadnSOMZvTdhPHeRVn-rQ@ez2.net...
>>>>> Actually, in the States we found that people put kids in the front
>>>>> seat of trucks, and the Jeep Wrangler is listed as a truck. We have a
>>>>> means of adding a passenger side airbag bypass switch to keep children
>>>>> in the front seat safe. Well, as safe as can be expected riding in the
>>>>> front seat ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "TW" <attw@wave.co.nz (delete this)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:dkf8o2$4hs$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>>> It is illegal in New Zealand as well. If a car/truck came with an
>>>>>> airbag from factory, it cannot be removed or disabled as that would
>>>>>> void the "warrant of fitness". If you have an accident like that,
>>>>>> you will be walking up the proverbial creek.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TW
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jason Backshall" <jbackshall@staff.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:436af7e9$0$1687$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "RobM" <motobusa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:1131081389.600157.258410@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>>>>>I know how to do it in my CJ. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I understand the late '98 and '99's have a cust-off switch, but I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to be able to temporarily disable it in my '97.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I searched the net and faq and didn't see anything so hoping one of
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> can shed some light.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please beware that in certain states (such as Western Australia,
>>>>>>> Victoria and Queensland here in Australia), this may be illegal. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>