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Re: Washington DC Auto Show
> my point
> is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. Clerk at a show? Expert? Surely you MUST be joking... |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
> my point
> is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. Clerk at a show? Expert? Surely you MUST be joking... |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
Yep, too bad there isn't a chart showing torque net for the Wrangler V6 at
3250 rpm, I'd wager it's within 15 lb-ft of the I-6 at the same rpm. "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message news:MveDf.54710$V.35586@fed1read04... > And we all know that "240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm" is about as > useful to the typical offroader as ---- on a bull are. ;) > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote: >> Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty: >> http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/ >> >> "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with >> the 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new >> Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of >> the minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower >> at 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15 >> horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively." >> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message >> news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com... >> >>>Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and >>>190 hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my >>>point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There >>>were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than >>>I did and they were really busting the guys hump. >>>Coasty >>> >>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >>>news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com... >>> >>>>At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well, >>>>styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away >>>>leaf springs and car-like interior. >>>> >>>>Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6... >>>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html >>>> >>>>You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L: >>>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html >>>> >>>> >>>>"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message >>>>news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com... >>>> >>>>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007 >>>>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I >>>>>confronted the representative with some question about the V-6 he >>>>>skirted the issue. I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated >>>>>that it is a cleaner engine and provides better gas mileage with more >>>>>HP and a better overall engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 >>>>>develops max torque at 1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how >>>>>is it better for off roading you need the torque at the low end not the >>>>>high end. He said it is all in the gearing of the transmission and the >>>>>front and rear differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as >>>>>far as gearing were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's >>>>>predecessors. A few others were also giving the guy a hard time too. I >>>>>am just glad I have my 2004 TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off >>>>>roaders acept the new 2007. >>>>> >>>>>Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like >>>>>it would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form. >>>>> >>>>>Coasty >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Jerry Bransford > PP-ASEL N6TAY > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
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Yep, too bad there isn't a chart showing torque net for the Wrangler V6 at
3250 rpm, I'd wager it's within 15 lb-ft of the I-6 at the same rpm. "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message news:MveDf.54710$V.35586@fed1read04... > And we all know that "240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm" is about as > useful to the typical offroader as ---- on a bull are. ;) > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote: >> Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty: >> http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/ >> >> "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with >> the 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new >> Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of >> the minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower >> at 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15 >> horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively." >> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message >> news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com... >> >>>Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and >>>190 hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my >>>point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There >>>were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than >>>I did and they were really busting the guys hump. >>>Coasty >>> >>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >>>news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com... >>> >>>>At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well, >>>>styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away >>>>leaf springs and car-like interior. >>>> >>>>Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6... >>>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html >>>> >>>>You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L: >>>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html >>>> >>>> >>>>"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message >>>>news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com... >>>> >>>>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007 >>>>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I >>>>>confronted the representative with some question about the V-6 he >>>>>skirted the issue. I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated >>>>>that it is a cleaner engine and provides better gas mileage with more >>>>>HP and a better overall engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 >>>>>develops max torque at 1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how >>>>>is it better for off roading you need the torque at the low end not the >>>>>high end. He said it is all in the gearing of the transmission and the >>>>>front and rear differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as >>>>>far as gearing were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's >>>>>predecessors. A few others were also giving the guy a hard time too. I >>>>>am just glad I have my 2004 TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off >>>>>roaders acept the new 2007. >>>>> >>>>>Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like >>>>>it would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form. >>>>> >>>>>Coasty >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Jerry Bransford > PP-ASEL N6TAY > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
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Yep, too bad there isn't a chart showing torque net for the Wrangler V6 at
3250 rpm, I'd wager it's within 15 lb-ft of the I-6 at the same rpm. "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message news:MveDf.54710$V.35586@fed1read04... > And we all know that "240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm" is about as > useful to the typical offroader as ---- on a bull are. ;) > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote: >> Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty: >> http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/ >> >> "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with >> the 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new >> Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of >> the minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower >> at 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15 >> horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively." >> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message >> news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com... >> >>>Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and >>>190 hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my >>>point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There >>>were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than >>>I did and they were really busting the guys hump. >>>Coasty >>> >>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >>>news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com... >>> >>>>At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well, >>>>styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away >>>>leaf springs and car-like interior. >>>> >>>>Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6... >>>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html >>>> >>>>You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L: >>>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html >>>> >>>> >>>>"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message >>>>news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com... >>>> >>>>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007 >>>>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I >>>>>confronted the representative with some question about the V-6 he >>>>>skirted the issue. I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated >>>>>that it is a cleaner engine and provides better gas mileage with more >>>>>HP and a better overall engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 >>>>>develops max torque at 1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how >>>>>is it better for off roading you need the torque at the low end not the >>>>>high end. He said it is all in the gearing of the transmission and the >>>>>front and rear differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as >>>>>far as gearing were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's >>>>>predecessors. A few others were also giving the guy a hard time too. I >>>>>am just glad I have my 2004 TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off >>>>>roaders acept the new 2007. >>>>> >>>>>Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like >>>>>it would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form. >>>>> >>>>>Coasty >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Jerry Bransford > PP-ASEL N6TAY > See the Geezer Jeep at > http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
I would sure like to see a torque curve comparison chart comparing the I-6
to the 2007 3.8L V-6. I think the fact that Jeep has not published a torque curve chart means that the new 3.8 probably does not come close to the I-6 torque output at lower rpms. Tom "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:sZCdnSWUWPaciEPeRVn-iA@comcast.com... > Yep, too bad there isn't a chart showing torque net for the Wrangler V6 at > 3250 rpm, I'd wager it's within 15 lb-ft of the I-6 at the same rpm. > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message > news:MveDf.54710$V.35586@fed1read04... > > And we all know that "240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm" is about as > > useful to the typical offroader as ---- on a bull are. ;) > > |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
I would sure like to see a torque curve comparison chart comparing the I-6
to the 2007 3.8L V-6. I think the fact that Jeep has not published a torque curve chart means that the new 3.8 probably does not come close to the I-6 torque output at lower rpms. Tom "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:sZCdnSWUWPaciEPeRVn-iA@comcast.com... > Yep, too bad there isn't a chart showing torque net for the Wrangler V6 at > 3250 rpm, I'd wager it's within 15 lb-ft of the I-6 at the same rpm. > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message > news:MveDf.54710$V.35586@fed1read04... > > And we all know that "240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm" is about as > > useful to the typical offroader as ---- on a bull are. ;) > > |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
I would sure like to see a torque curve comparison chart comparing the I-6
to the 2007 3.8L V-6. I think the fact that Jeep has not published a torque curve chart means that the new 3.8 probably does not come close to the I-6 torque output at lower rpms. Tom "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:sZCdnSWUWPaciEPeRVn-iA@comcast.com... > Yep, too bad there isn't a chart showing torque net for the Wrangler V6 at > 3250 rpm, I'd wager it's within 15 lb-ft of the I-6 at the same rpm. > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message > news:MveDf.54710$V.35586@fed1read04... > > And we all know that "240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm" is about as > > useful to the typical offroader as ---- on a bull are. ;) > > |
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