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Re: Washington DC Auto Show
Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty:
http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/ "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15 horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively." "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com... > Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and 190 > hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my > point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There > were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than I > did and they were really busting the guys hump. > Coasty > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com... >> At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well, >> styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away leaf >> springs and car-like interior. >> >> Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6... >> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html >> >> You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L: >> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html >> >> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message >> news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com... >>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007 >>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I confronted >>>the representative with some question about the V-6 he skirted the issue. >>>I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated that it is a cleaner >>>engine and provides better gas mileage with more HP and a better overall >>>engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 develops max torque at >>>1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how is it better for off >>>roading you need the torque at the low end not the high end. He said it >>>is all in the gearing of the transmission and the front and rear >>>differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as far as gearing >>>were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's predecessors. A few others >>>were also giving the guy a hard time too. I am just glad I have my 2004 >>>TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off roaders acept the new 2007. >>> >>> Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like it >>> would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form. >>> >>> Coasty >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty:
http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/ "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15 horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively." "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com... > Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and 190 > hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my > point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There > were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than I > did and they were really busting the guys hump. > Coasty > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com... >> At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well, >> styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away leaf >> springs and car-like interior. >> >> Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6... >> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html >> >> You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L: >> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html >> >> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message >> news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com... >>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007 >>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I confronted >>>the representative with some question about the V-6 he skirted the issue. >>>I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated that it is a cleaner >>>engine and provides better gas mileage with more HP and a better overall >>>engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 develops max torque at >>>1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how is it better for off >>>roading you need the torque at the low end not the high end. He said it >>>is all in the gearing of the transmission and the front and rear >>>differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as far as gearing >>>were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's predecessors. A few others >>>were also giving the guy a hard time too. I am just glad I have my 2004 >>>TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off roaders acept the new 2007. >>> >>> Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like it >>> would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form. >>> >>> Coasty >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty:
http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/ "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15 horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively." "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com... > Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and 190 > hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my > point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There > were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than I > did and they were really busting the guys hump. > Coasty > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com... >> At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well, >> styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away leaf >> springs and car-like interior. >> >> Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6... >> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html >> >> You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L: >> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html >> >> >> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message >> news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com... >>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007 >>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I confronted >>>the representative with some question about the V-6 he skirted the issue. >>>I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated that it is a cleaner >>>engine and provides better gas mileage with more HP and a better overall >>>engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 develops max torque at >>>1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how is it better for off >>>roading you need the torque at the low end not the high end. He said it >>>is all in the gearing of the transmission and the front and rear >>>differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as far as gearing >>>were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's predecessors. A few others >>>were also giving the guy a hard time too. I am just glad I have my 2004 >>>TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off roaders acept the new 2007. >>> >>> Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like it >>> would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form. >>> >>> Coasty >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
And we all know that "240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm" is about as
useful to the typical offroader as ---- on a bull are. ;) Matt Macchiarolo wrote: > Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty: > http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/ > > "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the > 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new > Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the > minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at > 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15 > horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively." > > "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message > news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com... > >>Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and 190 >>hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my >>point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There >>were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than I >>did and they were really busting the guys hump. >>Coasty >> >>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >>news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com... >> >>>At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well, >>>styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away leaf >>>springs and car-like interior. >>> >>>Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6... >>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html >>> >>>You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L: >>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html >>> >>> >>>"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message >>>news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com... >>> >>>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007 >>>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I confronted >>>>the representative with some question about the V-6 he skirted the issue. >>>>I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated that it is a cleaner >>>>engine and provides better gas mileage with more HP and a better overall >>>>engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 develops max torque at >>>>1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how is it better for off >>>>roading you need the torque at the low end not the high end. He said it >>>>is all in the gearing of the transmission and the front and rear >>>>differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as far as gearing >>>>were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's predecessors. A few others >>>>were also giving the guy a hard time too. I am just glad I have my 2004 >>>>TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off roaders acept the new 2007. >>>> >>>>Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like it >>>>would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form. >>>> >>>>Coasty >>>> >>> >>> >> > > -- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
And we all know that "240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm" is about as
useful to the typical offroader as ---- on a bull are. ;) Matt Macchiarolo wrote: > Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty: > http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/ > > "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the > 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new > Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the > minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at > 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15 > horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively." > > "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message > news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com... > >>Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and 190 >>hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my >>point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There >>were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than I >>did and they were really busting the guys hump. >>Coasty >> >>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >>news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com... >> >>>At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well, >>>styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away leaf >>>springs and car-like interior. >>> >>>Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6... >>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html >>> >>>You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L: >>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html >>> >>> >>>"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message >>>news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com... >>> >>>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007 >>>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I confronted >>>>the representative with some question about the V-6 he skirted the issue. >>>>I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated that it is a cleaner >>>>engine and provides better gas mileage with more HP and a better overall >>>>engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 develops max torque at >>>>1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how is it better for off >>>>roading you need the torque at the low end not the high end. He said it >>>>is all in the gearing of the transmission and the front and rear >>>>differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as far as gearing >>>>were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's predecessors. A few others >>>>were also giving the guy a hard time too. I am just glad I have my 2004 >>>>TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off roaders acept the new 2007. >>>> >>>>Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like it >>>>would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form. >>>> >>>>Coasty >>>> >>> >>> >> > > -- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
And we all know that "240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm" is about as
useful to the typical offroader as ---- on a bull are. ;) Matt Macchiarolo wrote: > Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty: > http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/ > > "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the > 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new > Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the > minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at > 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15 > horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively." > > "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message > news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com... > >>Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and 190 >>hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my >>point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There >>were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than I >>did and they were really busting the guys hump. >>Coasty >> >>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message >>news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com... >> >>>At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well, >>>styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away leaf >>>springs and car-like interior. >>> >>>Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6... >>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html >>> >>>You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L: >>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html >>> >>> >>>"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message >>>news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com... >>> >>>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007 >>>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I confronted >>>>the representative with some question about the V-6 he skirted the issue. >>>>I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated that it is a cleaner >>>>engine and provides better gas mileage with more HP and a better overall >>>>engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 develops max torque at >>>>1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how is it better for off >>>>roading you need the torque at the low end not the high end. He said it >>>>is all in the gearing of the transmission and the front and rear >>>>differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as far as gearing >>>>were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's predecessors. A few others >>>>were also giving the guy a hard time too. I am just glad I have my 2004 >>>>TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off roaders acept the new 2007. >>>> >>>>Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like it >>>>would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form. >>>> >>>>Coasty >>>> >>> >>> >> > > -- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
Good find.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Matt Macchiarolo wrote: > > Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty: > http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/ > > "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the > 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new > Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the > minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at > 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15 > horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively." |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
Good find.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Matt Macchiarolo wrote: > > Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty: > http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/ > > "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the > 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new > Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the > minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at > 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15 > horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively." |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
Good find.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Matt Macchiarolo wrote: > > Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty: > http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/ > > "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the > 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new > Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the > minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at > 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15 > horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively." |
Re: Washington DC Auto Show
> my point
> is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. Clerk at a show? Expert? Surely you MUST be joking... |
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