Matt Macchiarolo

Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty:
http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/

"Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the
3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new
Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the
minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at
5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15
horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively."

"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
> Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and 190
> hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my
> point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There
> were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than I
> did and they were really busting the guys hump.
> Coasty
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com...
>> At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well,
>> styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away leaf
>> springs and car-like interior.
>>
>> Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6...
>> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html
>>
>> You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L:
>> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html
>>
>>
>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007
>>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I confronted
>>>the representative with some question about the V-6 he skirted the issue.
>>>I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated that it is a cleaner
>>>engine and provides better gas mileage with more HP and a better overall
>>>engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 develops max torque at
>>>1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how is it better for off
>>>roading you need the torque at the low end not the high end. He said it
>>>is all in the gearing of the transmission and the front and rear
>>>differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as far as gearing
>>>were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's predecessors. A few others
>>>were also giving the guy a hard time too. I am just glad I have my 2004
>>>TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off roaders acept the new 2007.
>>>
>>> Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like it
>>> would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form.
>>>
>>> Coasty
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty:
http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/

"Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the
3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new
Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the
minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at
5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15
horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively."

"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
> Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and 190
> hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my
> point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There
> were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than I
> did and they were really busting the guys hump.
> Coasty
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com...
>> At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well,
>> styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away leaf
>> springs and car-like interior.
>>
>> Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6...
>> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html
>>
>> You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L:
>> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html
>>
>>
>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007
>>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I confronted
>>>the representative with some question about the V-6 he skirted the issue.
>>>I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated that it is a cleaner
>>>engine and provides better gas mileage with more HP and a better overall
>>>engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 develops max torque at
>>>1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how is it better for off
>>>roading you need the torque at the low end not the high end. He said it
>>>is all in the gearing of the transmission and the front and rear
>>>differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as far as gearing
>>>were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's predecessors. A few others
>>>were also giving the guy a hard time too. I am just glad I have my 2004
>>>TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off roaders acept the new 2007.
>>>
>>> Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like it
>>> would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form.
>>>
>>> Coasty
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty:
http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/

"Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the
3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new
Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the
minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at
5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15
horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively."

"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
> Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and 190
> hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my
> point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There
> were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than I
> did and they were really busting the guys hump.
> Coasty
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com...
>> At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well,
>> styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away leaf
>> springs and car-like interior.
>>
>> Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6...
>> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html
>>
>> You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L:
>> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html
>>
>>
>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007
>>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I confronted
>>>the representative with some question about the V-6 he skirted the issue.
>>>I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated that it is a cleaner
>>>engine and provides better gas mileage with more HP and a better overall
>>>engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 develops max torque at
>>>1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how is it better for off
>>>roading you need the torque at the low end not the high end. He said it
>>>is all in the gearing of the transmission and the front and rear
>>>differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as far as gearing
>>>were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's predecessors. A few others
>>>were also giving the guy a hard time too. I am just glad I have my 2004
>>>TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off roaders acept the new 2007.
>>>
>>> Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like it
>>> would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form.
>>>
>>> Coasty
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Jerry Bransford

And we all know that "240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm" is about as
useful to the typical offroader as ---- on a bull are. ;)

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty:
> http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/
>
> "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the
> 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new
> Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the
> minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at
> 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15
> horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively."
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
>
>>Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and 190
>>hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my
>>point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There
>>were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than I
>>did and they were really busting the guys hump.
>>Coasty
>>
>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com...
>>
>>>At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well,
>>>styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away leaf
>>>springs and car-like interior.
>>>
>>>Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6...
>>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html
>>>
>>>You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L:
>>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html
>>>
>>>
>>>"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>>>news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007
>>>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I confronted
>>>>the representative with some question about the V-6 he skirted the issue.
>>>>I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated that it is a cleaner
>>>>engine and provides better gas mileage with more HP and a better overall
>>>>engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 develops max torque at
>>>>1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how is it better for off
>>>>roading you need the torque at the low end not the high end. He said it
>>>>is all in the gearing of the transmission and the front and rear
>>>>differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as far as gearing
>>>>were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's predecessors. A few others
>>>>were also giving the guy a hard time too. I am just glad I have my 2004
>>>>TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off roaders acept the new 2007.
>>>>
>>>>Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like it
>>>>would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form.
>>>>
>>>>Coasty
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

And we all know that "240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm" is about as
useful to the typical offroader as ---- on a bull are. ;)

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty:
> http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/
>
> "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the
> 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new
> Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the
> minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at
> 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15
> horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively."
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
>
>>Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and 190
>>hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my
>>point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There
>>were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than I
>>did and they were really busting the guys hump.
>>Coasty
>>
>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com...
>>
>>>At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well,
>>>styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away leaf
>>>springs and car-like interior.
>>>
>>>Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6...
>>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html
>>>
>>>You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L:
>>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html
>>>
>>>
>>>"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>>>news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007
>>>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I confronted
>>>>the representative with some question about the V-6 he skirted the issue.
>>>>I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated that it is a cleaner
>>>>engine and provides better gas mileage with more HP and a better overall
>>>>engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 develops max torque at
>>>>1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how is it better for off
>>>>roading you need the torque at the low end not the high end. He said it
>>>>is all in the gearing of the transmission and the front and rear
>>>>differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as far as gearing
>>>>were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's predecessors. A few others
>>>>were also giving the guy a hard time too. I am just glad I have my 2004
>>>>TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off roaders acept the new 2007.
>>>>
>>>>Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like it
>>>>would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form.
>>>>
>>>>Coasty
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

And we all know that "240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm" is about as
useful to the typical offroader as ---- on a bull are. ;)

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty:
> http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/
>
> "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the
> 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new
> Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the
> minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at
> 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15
> horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively."
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:Aq2dnR8-2pdewUDeRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
>
>>Yes I know what the torque values they are 235 ft.lbs at 3250 rpms and 190
>>hp at 4600 rpms your link chartis incorrect for newer I-6 engines, my
>>point is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not. There
>>were a bunch of other Jeep people there that had far more knowledge than I
>>did and they were really busting the guys hump.
>>Coasty
>>
>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>news:tJSdnW5vKbdyikDeRVn-ow@comcast.com...
>>
>>>At their introductions, there similar complaints about the YJ as well,
>>>styling, urbanizing the marque, etc, and theTJ with its tossing away leaf
>>>springs and car-like interior.
>>>
>>>Won't be the first short wheelbase Jeep with a V-6...
>>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/en...ntless225.html
>>>
>>>You might also review the peak torque specs of the 4.0L:
>>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/amc242.html
>>>
>>>
>>>"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>>>news:ENOdnXS6-J2LNUHeRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>>I was at the Washington DC auto show this past week saw the new 2007
>>>>Wrangler. I was impressed with the overall design but when I confronted
>>>>the representative with some question about the V-6 he skirted the issue.
>>>>I asked why the change to the V-6? Well he stated that it is a cleaner
>>>>engine and provides better gas mileage with more HP and a better overall
>>>>engine for off roading. I ask, ok but the I-6 develops max torque at
>>>>1200 rpm and the v-6 at around 3200 rpm. So how is it better for off
>>>>roading you need the torque at the low end not the high end. He said it
>>>>is all in the gearing of the transmission and the front and rear
>>>>differentials. I pointed out the new specifications as far as gearing
>>>>were almost identical on the 2007 as to it's predecessors. A few others
>>>>were also giving the guy a hard time too. I am just glad I have my 2004
>>>>TJ only tome will tell if the hardcore off roaders acept the new 2007.
>>>>
>>>>Hey BIll, they had a 1944 Dodge WC-56 Command Car there it looks like it
>>>>would be a fun toy, maybe DC should bring it back in the Jeep form.
>>>>
>>>>Coasty
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Good find.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty:
> http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/
>
> "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the
> 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new
> Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the
> minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at
> 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15
> horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively."

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Good find.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty:
> http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/
>
> "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the
> 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new
> Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the
> minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at
> 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15
> horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively."

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Good find.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Apparently the V6 in the Wrangler is not the same one as in the Liberty:
> http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/fe...wd_07wrangler/
>
> "Though many expected the venerable 4.0L inline-six to be replaced with the
> 3.7 SOHC 90-degree V-6 widely used in the Dakota and Liberty, the new
> Wrangler will have a version of the 60-degree, 3.8L pushrod V-6 out of the
> minivans. In the Jeep application, the engine produces 205 horsepower at
> 5,200 rpm, and 240 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, an increase of 15
> horsepower and 5 lbs./ft., respectively."

Bill Kearney

> my point
> is that the guy who was supposed to be the expert did not.

Clerk at a show? Expert? Surely you MUST be joking...