WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
You make a very good point Mike.
If I carry anything with me its a gallon of 1/2+1/2 (more like 2/3+1/3 water) that I
mixed. I always use the pure stuff and mix with water. I make sure the shop does to
on those rare times I have them flush the coolant - but, I also know I can trust Tony
to do it right, its not like I am taking it to the dealer...
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:17:08 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
>>in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
>>up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
>>engines.....
>>
>>I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>>
>>So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
>>with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
>>of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
>>hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
>>closed and want to fill it.......
>>
>>Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
>>the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
>>hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
>>input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
>>up...
>>
>>OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>>
>>You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
>>holds.
>>
>>My system holds 12 US quarts.
>>
>>So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
>>good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>>
>>I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
>>according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>>
>>When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
>>3 more quarts of water!
>>
>>That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
>>core and block.
>>
>>If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
>>just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
>>allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>>
>>Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
If I carry anything with me its a gallon of 1/2+1/2 (more like 2/3+1/3 water) that I
mixed. I always use the pure stuff and mix with water. I make sure the shop does to
on those rare times I have them flush the coolant - but, I also know I can trust Tony
to do it right, its not like I am taking it to the dealer...
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:17:08 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
>>in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
>>up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
>>engines.....
>>
>>I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>>
>>So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
>>with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
>>of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
>>hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
>>closed and want to fill it.......
>>
>>Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
>>the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
>>hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
>>input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
>>up...
>>
>>OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>>
>>You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
>>holds.
>>
>>My system holds 12 US quarts.
>>
>>So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
>>good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>>
>>I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
>>according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>>
>>When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
>>3 more quarts of water!
>>
>>That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
>>core and block.
>>
>>If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
>>just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
>>allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>>
>>Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
You make a very good point Mike.
If I carry anything with me its a gallon of 1/2+1/2 (more like 2/3+1/3 water) that I
mixed. I always use the pure stuff and mix with water. I make sure the shop does to
on those rare times I have them flush the coolant - but, I also know I can trust Tony
to do it right, its not like I am taking it to the dealer...
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:17:08 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
>>in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
>>up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
>>engines.....
>>
>>I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>>
>>So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
>>with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
>>of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
>>hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
>>closed and want to fill it.......
>>
>>Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
>>the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
>>hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
>>input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
>>up...
>>
>>OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>>
>>You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
>>holds.
>>
>>My system holds 12 US quarts.
>>
>>So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
>>good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>>
>>I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
>>according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>>
>>When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
>>3 more quarts of water!
>>
>>That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
>>core and block.
>>
>>If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
>>just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
>>allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>>
>>Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
If I carry anything with me its a gallon of 1/2+1/2 (more like 2/3+1/3 water) that I
mixed. I always use the pure stuff and mix with water. I make sure the shop does to
on those rare times I have them flush the coolant - but, I also know I can trust Tony
to do it right, its not like I am taking it to the dealer...
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:17:08 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
>>in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
>>up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
>>engines.....
>>
>>I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>>
>>So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
>>with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
>>of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
>>hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
>>closed and want to fill it.......
>>
>>Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
>>the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
>>hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
>>input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
>>up...
>>
>>OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>>
>>You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
>>holds.
>>
>>My system holds 12 US quarts.
>>
>>So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
>>good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>>
>>I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
>>according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>>
>>When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
>>3 more quarts of water!
>>
>>That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
>>core and block.
>>
>>If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
>>just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
>>allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>>
>>Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
And have you noticed that the price is NOT half of the full strength price?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:438F6097.C8AABBA5@***.net...
> There's still not much said about this stuff that won't kill and
> animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
> of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where
>> we
>> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
>> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as
>> they
>> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>>
>> Earle
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:438F6097.C8AABBA5@***.net...
> There's still not much said about this stuff that won't kill and
> animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
> of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where
>> we
>> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
>> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as
>> they
>> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>>
>> Earle
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
And have you noticed that the price is NOT half of the full strength price?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:438F6097.C8AABBA5@***.net...
> There's still not much said about this stuff that won't kill and
> animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
> of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where
>> we
>> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
>> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as
>> they
>> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>>
>> Earle
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:438F6097.C8AABBA5@***.net...
> There's still not much said about this stuff that won't kill and
> animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
> of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where
>> we
>> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
>> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as
>> they
>> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>>
>> Earle
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
And have you noticed that the price is NOT half of the full strength price?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:438F6097.C8AABBA5@***.net...
> There's still not much said about this stuff that won't kill and
> animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
> of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where
>> we
>> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
>> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as
>> they
>> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>>
>> Earle
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:438F6097.C8AABBA5@***.net...
> There's still not much said about this stuff that won't kill and
> animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
> of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where
>> we
>> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
>> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as
>> they
>> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>>
>> Earle
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
LOL, what else is new?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> And have you noticed that the price is NOT half of the full strength price?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> And have you noticed that the price is NOT half of the full strength price?
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
LOL, what else is new?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> And have you noticed that the price is NOT half of the full strength price?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> And have you noticed that the price is NOT half of the full strength price?
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
LOL, what else is new?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> And have you noticed that the price is NOT half of the full strength price?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> And have you noticed that the price is NOT half of the full strength price?
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
It is the new math
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> And have you noticed that the price is NOT half of the full strength
> price?
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:438F6097.C8AABBA5@***.net...
>> There's still not much said about this stuff that won't kill and
>> animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
>> of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where
>>> we
>>> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal
>>> replacement
>>> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as
>>> they
>>> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>>>
>>> Earle
>
>
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> And have you noticed that the price is NOT half of the full strength
> price?
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:438F6097.C8AABBA5@***.net...
>> There's still not much said about this stuff that won't kill and
>> animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
>> of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where
>>> we
>>> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal
>>> replacement
>>> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as
>>> they
>>> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>>>
>>> Earle
>
>
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
It is the new math
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"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
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> And have you noticed that the price is NOT half of the full strength
> price?
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:438F6097.C8AABBA5@***.net...
>> There's still not much said about this stuff that won't kill and
>> animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
>> of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where
>>> we
>>> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal
>>> replacement
>>> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as
>>> they
>>> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>>>
>>> Earle
>
>
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"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
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> And have you noticed that the price is NOT half of the full strength
> price?
>
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:438F6097.C8AABBA5@***.net...
>> There's still not much said about this stuff that won't kill and
>> animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
>> of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where
>>> we
>>> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal
>>> replacement
>>> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as
>>> they
>>> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>>>
>>> Earle
>
>