WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
12-01-2005, 03:37 PM
#11
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
Great advice. Thanks.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
> in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
> up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
> engines.....
>
> I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>
> So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
> with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
> of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
> hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
> closed and want to fill it.......
>
> Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
> the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
> hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
> input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
> up...
>
> OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>
> You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
> holds.
>
> My system holds 12 US quarts.
>
> So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
> good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>
> I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
> according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>
> When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
> 3 more quarts of water!
>
> That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
> core and block.
>
> If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
> just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
> allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>
> Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
> in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
> up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
> engines.....
>
> I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>
> So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
> with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
> of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
> hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
> closed and want to fill it.......
>
> Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
> the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
> hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
> input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
> up...
>
> OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>
> You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
> holds.
>
> My system holds 12 US quarts.
>
> So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
> good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>
> I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
> according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>
> When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
> 3 more quarts of water!
>
> That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
> core and block.
>
> If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
> just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
> allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>
> Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
12-01-2005, 03:37 PM
#12
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
Great advice. Thanks.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
> in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
> up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
> engines.....
>
> I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>
> So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
> with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
> of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
> hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
> closed and want to fill it.......
>
> Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
> the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
> hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
> input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
> up...
>
> OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>
> You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
> holds.
>
> My system holds 12 US quarts.
>
> So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
> good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>
> I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
> according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>
> When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
> 3 more quarts of water!
>
> That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
> core and block.
>
> If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
> just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
> allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>
> Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
> in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
> up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
> engines.....
>
> I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>
> So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
> with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
> of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
> hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
> closed and want to fill it.......
>
> Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
> the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
> hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
> input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
> up...
>
> OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>
> You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
> holds.
>
> My system holds 12 US quarts.
>
> So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
> good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>
> I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
> according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>
> When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
> 3 more quarts of water!
>
> That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
> core and block.
>
> If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
> just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
> allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>
> Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
12-01-2005, 03:37 PM
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
Great advice. Thanks.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
> in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
> up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
> engines.....
>
> I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>
> So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
> with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
> of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
> hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
> closed and want to fill it.......
>
> Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
> the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
> hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
> input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
> up...
>
> OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>
> You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
> holds.
>
> My system holds 12 US quarts.
>
> So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
> good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>
> I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
> according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>
> When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
> 3 more quarts of water!
>
> That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
> core and block.
>
> If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
> just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
> allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>
> Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
> in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
> up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
> engines.....
>
> I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>
> So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
> with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
> of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
> hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
> closed and want to fill it.......
>
> Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
> the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
> hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
> input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
> up...
>
> OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>
> You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
> holds.
>
> My system holds 12 US quarts.
>
> So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
> good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>
> I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
> according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>
> When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
> 3 more quarts of water!
>
> That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
> core and block.
>
> If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
> just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
> allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>
> Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
12-01-2005, 03:39 PM
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
I'll bet you're right.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
yjarray wrote:
>
> You see a lot of 'tree-hugger' comments in groups frequented by
> outdoorsey types, always used derisively.
>
> All the tree-huggers I know live in the big city, and don't own a
> single tree. That must be what makes them experts on nature!
>
> I guess that's the difference between a nature lover and an
> environmentalist.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
yjarray wrote:
>
> You see a lot of 'tree-hugger' comments in groups frequented by
> outdoorsey types, always used derisively.
>
> All the tree-huggers I know live in the big city, and don't own a
> single tree. That must be what makes them experts on nature!
>
> I guess that's the difference between a nature lover and an
> environmentalist.
12-01-2005, 03:39 PM
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
I'll bet you're right.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
yjarray wrote:
>
> You see a lot of 'tree-hugger' comments in groups frequented by
> outdoorsey types, always used derisively.
>
> All the tree-huggers I know live in the big city, and don't own a
> single tree. That must be what makes them experts on nature!
>
> I guess that's the difference between a nature lover and an
> environmentalist.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
yjarray wrote:
>
> You see a lot of 'tree-hugger' comments in groups frequented by
> outdoorsey types, always used derisively.
>
> All the tree-huggers I know live in the big city, and don't own a
> single tree. That must be what makes them experts on nature!
>
> I guess that's the difference between a nature lover and an
> environmentalist.
12-01-2005, 03:39 PM
#16
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
I'll bet you're right.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
yjarray wrote:
>
> You see a lot of 'tree-hugger' comments in groups frequented by
> outdoorsey types, always used derisively.
>
> All the tree-huggers I know live in the big city, and don't own a
> single tree. That must be what makes them experts on nature!
>
> I guess that's the difference between a nature lover and an
> environmentalist.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
yjarray wrote:
>
> You see a lot of 'tree-hugger' comments in groups frequented by
> outdoorsey types, always used derisively.
>
> All the tree-huggers I know live in the big city, and don't own a
> single tree. That must be what makes them experts on nature!
>
> I guess that's the difference between a nature lover and an
> environmentalist.
12-01-2005, 03:44 PM
#17
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
There's still not much said about this stuff that won't kill and
animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where we
> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as they
> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>
> Earle
animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where we
> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as they
> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>
> Earle
12-01-2005, 03:44 PM
#18
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
There's still not much said about this stuff that won't kill and
animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where we
> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as they
> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>
> Earle
animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where we
> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as they
> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>
> Earle
12-01-2005, 03:44 PM
#19
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
There's still not much said about this stuff that won't kill and
animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where we
> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as they
> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>
> Earle
animal. Yet, they say it's good for five years. I'm betting at the end
of that time they'll all be in the junk yard.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Wonder what's in it, besides water? There was thread a while back where we
> discussed ethylene glycol, organic acid technology, universal replacement
> antifreeze, and plots by tree-huggers to erode our cooling systems, as they
> have already eroded our morals and our culture.
>
> Earle
12-01-2005, 04:43 PM
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Re: WARNING! About Antifreeze AND '50/50 premix'!!
You make a very good point Mike.
If I carry anything with me its a gallon of 1/2+1/2 (more like 2/3+1/3 water) that I
mixed. I always use the pure stuff and mix with water. I make sure the shop does to
on those rare times I have them flush the coolant - but, I also know I can trust Tony
to do it right, its not like I am taking it to the dealer...
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:17:08 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
>>in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
>>up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
>>engines.....
>>
>>I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>>
>>So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
>>with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
>>of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
>>hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
>>closed and want to fill it.......
>>
>>Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
>>the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
>>hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
>>input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
>>up...
>>
>>OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>>
>>You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
>>holds.
>>
>>My system holds 12 US quarts.
>>
>>So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
>>good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>>
>>I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
>>according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>>
>>When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
>>3 more quarts of water!
>>
>>That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
>>core and block.
>>
>>If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
>>just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
>>allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>>
>>Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
If I carry anything with me its a gallon of 1/2+1/2 (more like 2/3+1/3 water) that I
mixed. I always use the pure stuff and mix with water. I make sure the shop does to
on those rare times I have them flush the coolant - but, I also know I can trust Tony
to do it right, its not like I am taking it to the dealer...
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:17:08 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Well, since I have seen 'prestone' and others selling the 50/50 premix
>>in the stores and I have lately seen blown radiators, literally burned
>>up fan belts and chewed up water pumps, blown heater cores, and broke
>>engines.....
>>
>>I do live in Canada where we have cold days.....
>>
>>So here is how a radiator flush works. You run water through everything
>>with the rad drain and 'hopefully' the engine block drain (although 99%
>>of the places that flush don't open the engine drain!) and the heater
>>hoses off so you can flush out the heater core, then you put it all back
>>closed and want to fill it.......
>>
>>Before I go on, I will bet a beer if I could see you that when you open
>>the 10 year old engine block drain it will need to be reamed with a coat
>>hanger to get the liquid to flow out clear running with the hose
>>input..... There will be a bunch of metal/rust flakes plugging things
>>up...
>>
>>OK, so you now have flushed it out.
>>
>>You then need to know how many quarts or liters the coolant system
>>holds.
>>
>>My system holds 12 US quarts.
>>
>>So if I go by the coolant makers charts, as an average, a 50/50 mix is
>>good for -35F to -38F or so, right.
>>
>>I just flushed my Jeep's system and want -58F or at least -40C/F so
>>according to the charts I need 7 out of 12 quarts to do that.
>>
>>When I add 7 quarts of pure coolant, the add water, I only can add 2 or
>>3 more quarts of water!
>>
>>That means 30 or 40% of the system is already full of water. The heater
>>core and block.
>>
>>If I used the 50/50 mix, with 'say' 50% of the water still in there,
>>just for easy numbers, the percentage of coolant will be seriously low
>>allowing the vehicle to freeze and destroy the rads and engine......
>>
>>Be 'REALLY' careful with the 'convenient' junk folks!
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)