L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Plausible, as long as all the parts are metal then heat will be
transferred, what do you think these reduction gears are?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...4/Dcp_4063.jpg Probably, the
remnants form the rope manufacture are stuffed into your home for
installation.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
> approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
> Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
> the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
> motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.
>
> Daren

Daren McMorris

So far from what I've seen Bill, the rope may make GREAT insulation and only
marginal pull line ; )

Daren

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:409E7E5C.C8845F94@***.net...
> Plausible, as long as all the parts are metal then heat will be
> transferred, what do you think these reduction gears are?
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...4/Dcp_4063.jpg Probably, the
> remnants form the rope manufacture are stuffed into your home for
> installation.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Daren McMorris wrote:
> >
> > I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
> > approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
> > Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an
8274
> > the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
> > motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not
plausible.
> >
> > Daren

Daren McMorris

So far from what I've seen Bill, the rope may make GREAT insulation and only
marginal pull line ; )

Daren

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:409E7E5C.C8845F94@***.net...
> Plausible, as long as all the parts are metal then heat will be
> transferred, what do you think these reduction gears are?
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...4/Dcp_4063.jpg Probably, the
> remnants form the rope manufacture are stuffed into your home for
> installation.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Daren McMorris wrote:
> >
> > I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
> > approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
> > Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an
8274
> > the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
> > motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not
plausible.
> >
> > Daren

Daren McMorris

So far from what I've seen Bill, the rope may make GREAT insulation and only
marginal pull line ; )

Daren

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:409E7E5C.C8845F94@***.net...
> Plausible, as long as all the parts are metal then heat will be
> transferred, what do you think these reduction gears are?
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...4/Dcp_4063.jpg Probably, the
> remnants form the rope manufacture are stuffed into your home for
> installation.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Daren McMorris wrote:
> >
> > I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
> > approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
> > Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an
8274
> > the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
> > motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not
plausible.
> >
> > Daren

Daren McMorris

So far from what I've seen Bill, the rope may make GREAT insulation and only
marginal pull line ; )

Daren

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:409E7E5C.C8845F94@***.net...
> Plausible, as long as all the parts are metal then heat will be
> transferred, what do you think these reduction gears are?
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...4/Dcp_4063.jpg Probably, the
> remnants form the rope manufacture are stuffed into your home for
> installation.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Daren McMorris wrote:
> >
> > I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
> > approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
> > Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an
8274
> > the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
> > motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not
plausible.
> >
> > Daren

Daren McMorris

Mike,

The design of the 8274 makes the rope the last possible heat sink for the
motor. The motor casing and the gear box are the more likely heat sink.
I'm not disputing that some heat is dissipated from the cable, but it's
probably not much. On a standard profile winch( the 8k or 9k series) I can
see how the rope would be a definite portion of the heat sink.

Daren

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:409E6E86.29E315B5@sympatico.ca...
> No, the rope wouldn't sink any heat away so the hot part would just get
> hotter. The rope would act more like an insulator.
>
> Mike
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a
cable-way
> > at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were
made.
> > It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> > Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> > >
> > > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> > >
> > > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> > >
> > > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder
connection
> > > melted.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > SB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what
you
> > > > problem is....might work.
> > > >
> > > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with
the
> > > > motor/electrical.
> > > >
> > > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > > >
> > > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> > according to
> > > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/
Now my
> > > > only
> > > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> > this
> > > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > > >
> > > > > Daren McMorris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

Daren McMorris

Mike,

The design of the 8274 makes the rope the last possible heat sink for the
motor. The motor casing and the gear box are the more likely heat sink.
I'm not disputing that some heat is dissipated from the cable, but it's
probably not much. On a standard profile winch( the 8k or 9k series) I can
see how the rope would be a definite portion of the heat sink.

Daren

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:409E6E86.29E315B5@sympatico.ca...
> No, the rope wouldn't sink any heat away so the hot part would just get
> hotter. The rope would act more like an insulator.
>
> Mike
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a
cable-way
> > at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were
made.
> > It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> > Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> > >
> > > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> > >
> > > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> > >
> > > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder
connection
> > > melted.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > SB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what
you
> > > > problem is....might work.
> > > >
> > > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with
the
> > > > motor/electrical.
> > > >
> > > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > > >
> > > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> > according to
> > > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/
Now my
> > > > only
> > > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> > this
> > > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > > >
> > > > > Daren McMorris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

Daren McMorris

Mike,

The design of the 8274 makes the rope the last possible heat sink for the
motor. The motor casing and the gear box are the more likely heat sink.
I'm not disputing that some heat is dissipated from the cable, but it's
probably not much. On a standard profile winch( the 8k or 9k series) I can
see how the rope would be a definite portion of the heat sink.

Daren

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:409E6E86.29E315B5@sympatico.ca...
> No, the rope wouldn't sink any heat away so the hot part would just get
> hotter. The rope would act more like an insulator.
>
> Mike
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a
cable-way
> > at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were
made.
> > It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> > Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> > >
> > > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> > >
> > > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> > >
> > > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder
connection
> > > melted.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > SB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what
you
> > > > problem is....might work.
> > > >
> > > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with
the
> > > > motor/electrical.
> > > >
> > > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > > >
> > > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> > according to
> > > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/
Now my
> > > > only
> > > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> > this
> > > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > > >
> > > > > Daren McMorris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

Daren McMorris

Mike,

The design of the 8274 makes the rope the last possible heat sink for the
motor. The motor casing and the gear box are the more likely heat sink.
I'm not disputing that some heat is dissipated from the cable, but it's
probably not much. On a standard profile winch( the 8k or 9k series) I can
see how the rope would be a definite portion of the heat sink.

Daren

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:409E6E86.29E315B5@sympatico.ca...
> No, the rope wouldn't sink any heat away so the hot part would just get
> hotter. The rope would act more like an insulator.
>
> Mike
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a
cable-way
> > at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were
made.
> > It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> > Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> > >
> > > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> > >
> > > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> > >
> > > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder
connection
> > > melted.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > SB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what
you
> > > > problem is....might work.
> > > >
> > > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with
the
> > > > motor/electrical.
> > > >
> > > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > > >
> > > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> > according to
> > > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/
Now my
> > > > only
> > > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> > this
> > > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > > >
> > > > > Daren McMorris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

Daren McMorris

Right you are Bill. But this is not my first time winching. I just did not
want to bore the group with the "proper" winching techniques. I'm sure you
all know them. I can assure you that the winch was not over worked at the
time it quit. Maybe the time before.....

Daren


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> "only been running it for a minute or two" You know it's just a
> starter motor with a reversible field, about a quarter of the size of a
> road tractor motor that will only last a maximum of ten seconds before
> it dies.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Daren McMorris wrote:
> >
> > That link is just one I found to outline the test for the motor. That's
not
> > my rebuild. I have a completely different situation, motor quite
running
> > while in operation. I had only been running it for a minute or two, and
it
> > wasn't even warmed up yet.
> >
> > My solenoids are pulling in, power is going to the correct motor
terminals,
> > and connections are freshly cleaned. Has to be in the motor. I call
warn,
> > Bill. Thanks.
> >
> > I have the standard 5/16 aircraft cable not the synthetic rope. That
stuff
> > has not impress me as a EROCC judge....saw it snap several times last
year
> > (it did fall straight down though).
> >
> > A buddy of mine went to a local "starter" rebuild shop and had his 8274
> > motor rebuilt....seemed to work.
> >
> > Daren