I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.

Daren

"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9Vsnc.1753$n7P1.782@twister01.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a
cable-way
> at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were
made.
> It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now
my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

 

I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.

Daren

"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9Vsnc.1753$n7P1.782@twister01.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a
cable-way
> at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were
made.
> It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now
my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

 

I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.

Daren

"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9Vsnc.1753$n7P1.782@twister01.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a
cable-way
> at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were
made.
> It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now
my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

 

"only been running it for a minute or two" You know it's just a
starter motor with a reversible field, about a quarter of the size of a
road tractor motor that will only last a maximum of ten seconds before
it dies.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> That link is just one I found to outline the test for the motor. That's not
> my rebuild. I have a completely different situation, motor quite running
> while in operation. I had only been running it for a minute or two, and it
> wasn't even warmed up yet.
>
> My solenoids are pulling in, power is going to the correct motor terminals,
> and connections are freshly cleaned. Has to be in the motor. I call warn,
> Bill. Thanks.
>
> I have the standard 5/16 aircraft cable not the synthetic rope. That stuff
> has not impress me as a EROCC judge....saw it snap several times last year
> (it did fall straight down though).
>
> A buddy of mine went to a local "starter" rebuild shop and had his 8274
> motor rebuilt....seemed to work.
>
> Daren

 

"only been running it for a minute or two" You know it's just a
starter motor with a reversible field, about a quarter of the size of a
road tractor motor that will only last a maximum of ten seconds before
it dies.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> That link is just one I found to outline the test for the motor. That's not
> my rebuild. I have a completely different situation, motor quite running
> while in operation. I had only been running it for a minute or two, and it
> wasn't even warmed up yet.
>
> My solenoids are pulling in, power is going to the correct motor terminals,
> and connections are freshly cleaned. Has to be in the motor. I call warn,
> Bill. Thanks.
>
> I have the standard 5/16 aircraft cable not the synthetic rope. That stuff
> has not impress me as a EROCC judge....saw it snap several times last year
> (it did fall straight down though).
>
> A buddy of mine went to a local "starter" rebuild shop and had his 8274
> motor rebuilt....seemed to work.
>
> Daren

 

"only been running it for a minute or two" You know it's just a
starter motor with a reversible field, about a quarter of the size of a
road tractor motor that will only last a maximum of ten seconds before
it dies.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> That link is just one I found to outline the test for the motor. That's not
> my rebuild. I have a completely different situation, motor quite running
> while in operation. I had only been running it for a minute or two, and it
> wasn't even warmed up yet.
>
> My solenoids are pulling in, power is going to the correct motor terminals,
> and connections are freshly cleaned. Has to be in the motor. I call warn,
> Bill. Thanks.
>
> I have the standard 5/16 aircraft cable not the synthetic rope. That stuff
> has not impress me as a EROCC judge....saw it snap several times last year
> (it did fall straight down though).
>
> A buddy of mine went to a local "starter" rebuild shop and had his 8274
> motor rebuilt....seemed to work.
>
> Daren

 

"only been running it for a minute or two" You know it's just a
starter motor with a reversible field, about a quarter of the size of a
road tractor motor that will only last a maximum of ten seconds before
it dies.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> That link is just one I found to outline the test for the motor. That's not
> my rebuild. I have a completely different situation, motor quite running
> while in operation. I had only been running it for a minute or two, and it
> wasn't even warmed up yet.
>
> My solenoids are pulling in, power is going to the correct motor terminals,
> and connections are freshly cleaned. Has to be in the motor. I call warn,
> Bill. Thanks.
>
> I have the standard 5/16 aircraft cable not the synthetic rope. That stuff
> has not impress me as a EROCC judge....saw it snap several times last year
> (it did fall straight down though).
>
> A buddy of mine went to a local "starter" rebuild shop and had his 8274
> motor rebuilt....seemed to work.
>
> Daren

 

Plausible, as long as all the parts are metal then heat will be
transferred, what do you think these reduction gears are?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...4/Dcp_4063.jpg Probably, the
remnants form the rope manufacture are stuffed into your home for
installation.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
> approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
> Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
> the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
> motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.
>
> Daren

 

Plausible, as long as all the parts are metal then heat will be
transferred, what do you think these reduction gears are?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...4/Dcp_4063.jpg Probably, the
remnants form the rope manufacture are stuffed into your home for
installation.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
> approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
> Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
> the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
> motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.
>
> Daren

 

Plausible, as long as all the parts are metal then heat will be
transferred, what do you think these reduction gears are?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...4/Dcp_4063.jpg Probably, the
remnants form the rope manufacture are stuffed into your home for
installation.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
> approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
> Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
> the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
> motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.
>
> Daren