Daren McMorris

I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.

Daren

"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9Vsnc.1753$n7P1.782@twister01.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a
cable-way
> at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were
made.
> It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now
my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

Daren McMorris

I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.

Daren

"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9Vsnc.1753$n7P1.782@twister01.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a
cable-way
> at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were
made.
> It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now
my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

Daren McMorris

I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.

Daren

"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9Vsnc.1753$n7P1.782@twister01.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a
cable-way
> at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were
made.
> It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now
my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

"only been running it for a minute or two" You know it's just a
starter motor with a reversible field, about a quarter of the size of a
road tractor motor that will only last a maximum of ten seconds before
it dies.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> That link is just one I found to outline the test for the motor. That's not
> my rebuild. I have a completely different situation, motor quite running
> while in operation. I had only been running it for a minute or two, and it
> wasn't even warmed up yet.
>
> My solenoids are pulling in, power is going to the correct motor terminals,
> and connections are freshly cleaned. Has to be in the motor. I call warn,
> Bill. Thanks.
>
> I have the standard 5/16 aircraft cable not the synthetic rope. That stuff
> has not impress me as a EROCC judge....saw it snap several times last year
> (it did fall straight down though).
>
> A buddy of mine went to a local "starter" rebuild shop and had his 8274
> motor rebuilt....seemed to work.
>
> Daren

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

"only been running it for a minute or two" You know it's just a
starter motor with a reversible field, about a quarter of the size of a
road tractor motor that will only last a maximum of ten seconds before
it dies.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> That link is just one I found to outline the test for the motor. That's not
> my rebuild. I have a completely different situation, motor quite running
> while in operation. I had only been running it for a minute or two, and it
> wasn't even warmed up yet.
>
> My solenoids are pulling in, power is going to the correct motor terminals,
> and connections are freshly cleaned. Has to be in the motor. I call warn,
> Bill. Thanks.
>
> I have the standard 5/16 aircraft cable not the synthetic rope. That stuff
> has not impress me as a EROCC judge....saw it snap several times last year
> (it did fall straight down though).
>
> A buddy of mine went to a local "starter" rebuild shop and had his 8274
> motor rebuilt....seemed to work.
>
> Daren

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

"only been running it for a minute or two" You know it's just a
starter motor with a reversible field, about a quarter of the size of a
road tractor motor that will only last a maximum of ten seconds before
it dies.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> That link is just one I found to outline the test for the motor. That's not
> my rebuild. I have a completely different situation, motor quite running
> while in operation. I had only been running it for a minute or two, and it
> wasn't even warmed up yet.
>
> My solenoids are pulling in, power is going to the correct motor terminals,
> and connections are freshly cleaned. Has to be in the motor. I call warn,
> Bill. Thanks.
>
> I have the standard 5/16 aircraft cable not the synthetic rope. That stuff
> has not impress me as a EROCC judge....saw it snap several times last year
> (it did fall straight down though).
>
> A buddy of mine went to a local "starter" rebuild shop and had his 8274
> motor rebuilt....seemed to work.
>
> Daren

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

"only been running it for a minute or two" You know it's just a
starter motor with a reversible field, about a quarter of the size of a
road tractor motor that will only last a maximum of ten seconds before
it dies.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> That link is just one I found to outline the test for the motor. That's not
> my rebuild. I have a completely different situation, motor quite running
> while in operation. I had only been running it for a minute or two, and it
> wasn't even warmed up yet.
>
> My solenoids are pulling in, power is going to the correct motor terminals,
> and connections are freshly cleaned. Has to be in the motor. I call warn,
> Bill. Thanks.
>
> I have the standard 5/16 aircraft cable not the synthetic rope. That stuff
> has not impress me as a EROCC judge....saw it snap several times last year
> (it did fall straight down though).
>
> A buddy of mine went to a local "starter" rebuild shop and had his 8274
> motor rebuilt....seemed to work.
>
> Daren

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Plausible, as long as all the parts are metal then heat will be
transferred, what do you think these reduction gears are?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...4/Dcp_4063.jpg Probably, the
remnants form the rope manufacture are stuffed into your home for
installation.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
> approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
> Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
> the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
> motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.
>
> Daren

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Plausible, as long as all the parts are metal then heat will be
transferred, what do you think these reduction gears are?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...4/Dcp_4063.jpg Probably, the
remnants form the rope manufacture are stuffed into your home for
installation.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
> approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
> Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
> the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
> motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.
>
> Daren

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Plausible, as long as all the parts are metal then heat will be
transferred, what do you think these reduction gears are?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...4/Dcp_4063.jpg Probably, the
remnants form the rope manufacture are stuffed into your home for
installation.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daren McMorris wrote:
>
> I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
> approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
> Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
> the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
> motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.
>
> Daren