Wait for 05 TJ or get an 04? Any Advice?
09-13-2004, 10:58 PM
#31
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Re: Wait for 05 TJ or get an 04? Any Advice?
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:<39o1d.44$0J2.617593@news-text.cableinet.net>...
> Really ? my wagoneer reminds me of a caddy - luxurious with vague handling !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "attnews" <john .n. allen@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:N2o1d.360392$OB3.117325@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > NOthing could be more insulting to a real jeep than to say it is like a
> caddy !!!!!!
Actually, I have an 89 Grand Wagoneer. It is rusting out down near
the tank, so it is giving it's life(well its front doors and interior
pieces) for my J10. But that said, it has character - I'm one of the
few that liked the wood paneling on the side - and is fairly rugged.
The 04 Grand Cherokee feels a little too plastic for my taste. I
loved my 02 Sport, but never having owned a CJ, my most rugged jeep
has been that J10. It is rusty as hell, but it is built like a tank
and the 360 in it kicks a$$. I have had to fix a seal in the
quadratrac, but otherwise, it has performed really well. It just
looks like the wrath of God hit it. I used to drive an M715(probably
tougher than my J10, but almost undrivable because of the gears) for a
termite company my dad ran, so my wife thinks I need to get a little
Cherokee and a CJ so I can say I have had all the major jeep models!
> Really ? my wagoneer reminds me of a caddy - luxurious with vague handling !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "attnews" <john .n. allen@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:N2o1d.360392$OB3.117325@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > NOthing could be more insulting to a real jeep than to say it is like a
> caddy !!!!!!
Actually, I have an 89 Grand Wagoneer. It is rusting out down near
the tank, so it is giving it's life(well its front doors and interior
pieces) for my J10. But that said, it has character - I'm one of the
few that liked the wood paneling on the side - and is fairly rugged.
The 04 Grand Cherokee feels a little too plastic for my taste. I
loved my 02 Sport, but never having owned a CJ, my most rugged jeep
has been that J10. It is rusty as hell, but it is built like a tank
and the 360 in it kicks a$$. I have had to fix a seal in the
quadratrac, but otherwise, it has performed really well. It just
looks like the wrath of God hit it. I used to drive an M715(probably
tougher than my J10, but almost undrivable because of the gears) for a
termite company my dad ran, so my wife thinks I need to get a little
Cherokee and a CJ so I can say I have had all the major jeep models!
09-14-2004, 04:14 AM
#32
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Re: Wait for 05 TJ or get an 04? Any Advice?
Mine came from the factory without wood, which is unusual I
gather.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Brad and Julie Vaughn" <jfalken@socket.net> wrote in message
news:f39e5035.0409131858.3545d7fb@posting.google.c om...
But that said, it has character - I'm one of the
> few that liked the wood paneling on the side - and is fairly rugged.
gather.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Brad and Julie Vaughn" <jfalken@socket.net> wrote in message
news:f39e5035.0409131858.3545d7fb@posting.google.c om...
But that said, it has character - I'm one of the
> few that liked the wood paneling on the side - and is fairly rugged.
09-14-2004, 04:14 AM
#33
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Re: Wait for 05 TJ or get an 04? Any Advice?
Mine came from the factory without wood, which is unusual I
gather.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Brad and Julie Vaughn" <jfalken@socket.net> wrote in message
news:f39e5035.0409131858.3545d7fb@posting.google.c om...
But that said, it has character - I'm one of the
> few that liked the wood paneling on the side - and is fairly rugged.
gather.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Brad and Julie Vaughn" <jfalken@socket.net> wrote in message
news:f39e5035.0409131858.3545d7fb@posting.google.c om...
But that said, it has character - I'm one of the
> few that liked the wood paneling on the side - and is fairly rugged.
09-14-2004, 04:14 AM
#34
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Re: Wait for 05 TJ or get an 04? Any Advice?
Mine came from the factory without wood, which is unusual I
gather.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Brad and Julie Vaughn" <jfalken@socket.net> wrote in message
news:f39e5035.0409131858.3545d7fb@posting.google.c om...
But that said, it has character - I'm one of the
> few that liked the wood paneling on the side - and is fairly rugged.
gather.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Brad and Julie Vaughn" <jfalken@socket.net> wrote in message
news:f39e5035.0409131858.3545d7fb@posting.google.c om...
But that said, it has character - I'm one of the
> few that liked the wood paneling on the side - and is fairly rugged.
09-14-2004, 09:21 AM
#35
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Re: Wait for 05 TJ or get an 04? Any Advice?
Not in this group.
Mostly we top post here, but sometimes a thread will last if short
enough for a bottom post.
All the commercial newsreaders default to top posting these days and
some of these threads get so long scrolling down means opening up page
after page. Times have changed since the BB days...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
RJ wrote:
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > RJ wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
> > > same sentence.
>
> AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>
> By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
Mostly we top post here, but sometimes a thread will last if short
enough for a bottom post.
All the commercial newsreaders default to top posting these days and
some of these threads get so long scrolling down means opening up page
after page. Times have changed since the BB days...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
RJ wrote:
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > RJ wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
> > > same sentence.
>
> AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>
> By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
09-14-2004, 09:21 AM
#36
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Re: Wait for 05 TJ or get an 04? Any Advice?
Not in this group.
Mostly we top post here, but sometimes a thread will last if short
enough for a bottom post.
All the commercial newsreaders default to top posting these days and
some of these threads get so long scrolling down means opening up page
after page. Times have changed since the BB days...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
RJ wrote:
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > RJ wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
> > > same sentence.
>
> AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>
> By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
Mostly we top post here, but sometimes a thread will last if short
enough for a bottom post.
All the commercial newsreaders default to top posting these days and
some of these threads get so long scrolling down means opening up page
after page. Times have changed since the BB days...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
RJ wrote:
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > RJ wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
> > > same sentence.
>
> AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>
> By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
09-14-2004, 09:21 AM
#37
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Re: Wait for 05 TJ or get an 04? Any Advice?
Not in this group.
Mostly we top post here, but sometimes a thread will last if short
enough for a bottom post.
All the commercial newsreaders default to top posting these days and
some of these threads get so long scrolling down means opening up page
after page. Times have changed since the BB days...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
RJ wrote:
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > RJ wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
> > > same sentence.
>
> AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>
> By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
Mostly we top post here, but sometimes a thread will last if short
enough for a bottom post.
All the commercial newsreaders default to top posting these days and
some of these threads get so long scrolling down means opening up page
after page. Times have changed since the BB days...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
RJ wrote:
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > RJ wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
> > > same sentence.
>
> AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>
> By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
09-14-2004, 09:40 AM
#38
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Re: Wait for 05 TJ or get an 04? Any Advice?
In other groups this has been a hot topic.
It seems some purists demand bottom posting,
to adhere to the netiquett rules.
Myself I prefer top posting. In my opinion
it seems to make more sense than bottom posting
Why should I scroll down to reread something I've already read
to get to the answere / followup.
Cheers
Frank
Mike Romain wrote:
> Not in this group.
>
> Mostly we top post here, but sometimes a thread will last if short
> enough for a bottom post.
>
> All the commercial newsreaders default to top posting these days and
> some of these threads get so long scrolling down means opening up page
> after page. Times have changed since the BB days...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> RJ wrote:
>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
>>>>same sentence.
>>
>>AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>>
>>By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
It seems some purists demand bottom posting,
to adhere to the netiquett rules.
Myself I prefer top posting. In my opinion
it seems to make more sense than bottom posting
Why should I scroll down to reread something I've already read
to get to the answere / followup.
Cheers
Frank
Mike Romain wrote:
> Not in this group.
>
> Mostly we top post here, but sometimes a thread will last if short
> enough for a bottom post.
>
> All the commercial newsreaders default to top posting these days and
> some of these threads get so long scrolling down means opening up page
> after page. Times have changed since the BB days...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> RJ wrote:
>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
>>>>same sentence.
>>
>>AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>>
>>By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
09-14-2004, 09:40 AM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Wait for 05 TJ or get an 04? Any Advice?
In other groups this has been a hot topic.
It seems some purists demand bottom posting,
to adhere to the netiquett rules.
Myself I prefer top posting. In my opinion
it seems to make more sense than bottom posting
Why should I scroll down to reread something I've already read
to get to the answere / followup.
Cheers
Frank
Mike Romain wrote:
> Not in this group.
>
> Mostly we top post here, but sometimes a thread will last if short
> enough for a bottom post.
>
> All the commercial newsreaders default to top posting these days and
> some of these threads get so long scrolling down means opening up page
> after page. Times have changed since the BB days...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> RJ wrote:
>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
>>>>same sentence.
>>
>>AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>>
>>By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
It seems some purists demand bottom posting,
to adhere to the netiquett rules.
Myself I prefer top posting. In my opinion
it seems to make more sense than bottom posting
Why should I scroll down to reread something I've already read
to get to the answere / followup.
Cheers
Frank
Mike Romain wrote:
> Not in this group.
>
> Mostly we top post here, but sometimes a thread will last if short
> enough for a bottom post.
>
> All the commercial newsreaders default to top posting these days and
> some of these threads get so long scrolling down means opening up page
> after page. Times have changed since the BB days...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> RJ wrote:
>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
>>>>same sentence.
>>
>>AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>>
>>By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
09-14-2004, 09:40 AM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Wait for 05 TJ or get an 04? Any Advice?
In other groups this has been a hot topic.
It seems some purists demand bottom posting,
to adhere to the netiquett rules.
Myself I prefer top posting. In my opinion
it seems to make more sense than bottom posting
Why should I scroll down to reread something I've already read
to get to the answere / followup.
Cheers
Frank
Mike Romain wrote:
> Not in this group.
>
> Mostly we top post here, but sometimes a thread will last if short
> enough for a bottom post.
>
> All the commercial newsreaders default to top posting these days and
> some of these threads get so long scrolling down means opening up page
> after page. Times have changed since the BB days...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> RJ wrote:
>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
>>>>same sentence.
>>
>>AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>>
>>By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
It seems some purists demand bottom posting,
to adhere to the netiquett rules.
Myself I prefer top posting. In my opinion
it seems to make more sense than bottom posting
Why should I scroll down to reread something I've already read
to get to the answere / followup.
Cheers
Frank
Mike Romain wrote:
> Not in this group.
>
> Mostly we top post here, but sometimes a thread will last if short
> enough for a bottom post.
>
> All the commercial newsreaders default to top posting these days and
> some of these threads get so long scrolling down means opening up page
> after page. Times have changed since the BB days...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> RJ wrote:
>
>>L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
>>>>same sentence.
>>
>>AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>>
>>By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.