jfalken@socket.net (Brad and Julie Vaughn) writes:

> Well, I had an 02TJ Sport and I loved it. In December, I traded it on
> an 04 Columbia edition Grand w the 4.7HO and Quadra-tracII. I got a
> really good deal(10000 off), so I'm not upside down. Long story
> short, the GC is incredible, like a caddy that can go anywhere.
> Unfortunately, it is about the most boring car I have ever owned with
> the exception of an 89 Volvo. I guess I'm not ready to grow up yet.
> Soooo, I am looking to replace it with a TJ. I like the lime green
> out there now so I will probably get that. I need air and I guess I
> will get a 6cyl, I was gonna get the 4, but I have heard it doesn't
> make much diff in mileage and I liked the power i got from my old
> sport. The other main thing I want is a stick and that is my
> question. I read that the newest TJs will get a 6 speed. What are
> the opinions as to whether that is worth waiting for? Any other
> reasons to wait versus jump right now? I must admit, it will be
> embarrassing to to go back to my salesguy and say I know this is your
> flagship, but I'd like to trade it on your bumpy cheaper model...At
> least I got a Columbia jacket out of this.

I traded a '99 Land Rover Discovery for my '04 TJ. "Hey, honey. Let's
trade the Rover for a smaller, bumpier, nosier, gas hogging...etc."
You know the rest. I'm a dozen times happier about it too. I LOVE my
TJ.

I write software. The first release of software is always
"buggy". Better to get the third or fourth release. Enjoy the '04,
save some money and wait 'til the kinks get worked out of the 6-speed
by '08.
--

 

jfalken@socket.net (Brad and Julie Vaughn) writes:

> Well, I had an 02TJ Sport and I loved it. In December, I traded it on
> an 04 Columbia edition Grand w the 4.7HO and Quadra-tracII. I got a
> really good deal(10000 off), so I'm not upside down. Long story
> short, the GC is incredible, like a caddy that can go anywhere.
> Unfortunately, it is about the most boring car I have ever owned with
> the exception of an 89 Volvo. I guess I'm not ready to grow up yet.
> Soooo, I am looking to replace it with a TJ. I like the lime green
> out there now so I will probably get that. I need air and I guess I
> will get a 6cyl, I was gonna get the 4, but I have heard it doesn't
> make much diff in mileage and I liked the power i got from my old
> sport. The other main thing I want is a stick and that is my
> question. I read that the newest TJs will get a 6 speed. What are
> the opinions as to whether that is worth waiting for? Any other
> reasons to wait versus jump right now? I must admit, it will be
> embarrassing to to go back to my salesguy and say I know this is your
> flagship, but I'd like to trade it on your bumpy cheaper model...At
> least I got a Columbia jacket out of this.

I traded a '99 Land Rover Discovery for my '04 TJ. "Hey, honey. Let's
trade the Rover for a smaller, bumpier, nosier, gas hogging...etc."
You know the rest. I'm a dozen times happier about it too. I LOVE my
TJ.

I write software. The first release of software is always
"buggy". Better to get the third or fourth release. Enjoy the '04,
save some money and wait 'til the kinks get worked out of the 6-speed
by '08.
--

 

L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:

> And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RJ wrote:
> >
> > I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
> > same sentence.

AMC was the enemy of good engineering.

By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.

 

L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:

> And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RJ wrote:
> >
> > I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
> > same sentence.

AMC was the enemy of good engineering.

By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.

 

L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:

> And selling Jeep to our enemies was smarter?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RJ wrote:
> >
> > I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the
> > same sentence.

AMC was the enemy of good engineering.

By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.

 

That ignorant remark tells me you've never heard of the AMC Avanti,
Javelin, or Eagle: http://members.tripod.com/wishingchair/cars/
Learn to edit and top post with the rest of us, so we don't have to
reread what we have already.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

RJ wrote:
>
> AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>
> By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.

 

That ignorant remark tells me you've never heard of the AMC Avanti,
Javelin, or Eagle: http://members.tripod.com/wishingchair/cars/
Learn to edit and top post with the rest of us, so we don't have to
reread what we have already.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

RJ wrote:
>
> AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>
> By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.

 

That ignorant remark tells me you've never heard of the AMC Avanti,
Javelin, or Eagle: http://members.tripod.com/wishingchair/cars/
Learn to edit and top post with the rest of us, so we don't have to
reread what we have already.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

RJ wrote:
>
> AMC was the enemy of good engineering.
>
> By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.

 

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:<39o1d.44$0J2.617593@news-text.cableinet.net>...
> Really ? my wagoneer reminds me of a caddy - luxurious with vague handling !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "attnews" <john .n. allen@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:N2o1d.360392$OB3.117325@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > NOthing could be more insulting to a real jeep than to say it is like a
> caddy !!!!!!

Actually, I have an 89 Grand Wagoneer. It is rusting out down near
the tank, so it is giving it's life(well its front doors and interior
pieces) for my J10. But that said, it has character - I'm one of the
few that liked the wood paneling on the side - and is fairly rugged.
The 04 Grand Cherokee feels a little too plastic for my taste. I
loved my 02 Sport, but never having owned a CJ, my most rugged jeep
has been that J10. It is rusty as hell, but it is built like a tank
and the 360 in it kicks a$$. I have had to fix a seal in the
quadratrac, but otherwise, it has performed really well. It just
looks like the wrath of God hit it. I used to drive an M715(probably
tougher than my J10, but almost undrivable because of the gears) for a
termite company my dad ran, so my wife thinks I need to get a little
Cherokee and a CJ so I can say I have had all the major jeep models!

 

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:<39o1d.44$0J2.617593@news-text.cableinet.net>...
> Really ? my wagoneer reminds me of a caddy - luxurious with vague handling !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "attnews" <john .n. allen@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:N2o1d.360392$OB3.117325@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > NOthing could be more insulting to a real jeep than to say it is like a
> caddy !!!!!!

Actually, I have an 89 Grand Wagoneer. It is rusting out down near
the tank, so it is giving it's life(well its front doors and interior
pieces) for my J10. But that said, it has character - I'm one of the
few that liked the wood paneling on the side - and is fairly rugged.
The 04 Grand Cherokee feels a little too plastic for my taste. I
loved my 02 Sport, but never having owned a CJ, my most rugged jeep
has been that J10. It is rusty as hell, but it is built like a tank
and the 360 in it kicks a$$. I have had to fix a seal in the
quadratrac, but otherwise, it has performed really well. It just
looks like the wrath of God hit it. I used to drive an M715(probably
tougher than my J10, but almost undrivable because of the gears) for a
termite company my dad ran, so my wife thinks I need to get a little
Cherokee and a CJ so I can say I have had all the major jeep models!